Vaping / Smoking Perspective

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Jman8

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I'm a vaper, and I'm a smoker. On ECF, I've stated a few times that I am one who gives myself full permission to smoke. At times, I prefer a smoke over vaping, partially due to taste, partially due to nicotine intake, and mostly due to nicotine addiction.

In general, I prefer vaping. I fully believe that once a vaper finds their sweet spot, or nicotine strength that works for them, it can be challenging to maintain allegiance to smoking, where the preference for smoking is greater than preference for vaping. To me, that says something really GREAT about vaping.

I currently smoke about a pack every 3 to 4 weeks. I honestly think moderate smoking is wonderful and, how you say, less harmful.

My question in this thread is something I wonder about often - do members of the larger vaping community have any issues with one like me who might promote vaping, but not carry with them a message of 'stop smoking?' Or one who might even say that vaping, along with smoking in moderation, can be a good thing / less harm?

To elaborate, I am glad to promote vaping, but not so glad if that is at the expense of some sort of smoking cessation ideology. And not so happy when I see vaping constantly compared with smoking, especially if smoking is painted in a negative light. As that is the norm, I'm used to it, but still not pleased. I think it ultimately works against our cause, but that's thinking medium to long term. As cigs are firmly on the chopping block, and nearly dead as a social source for enjoyment, I realize it is often pointless to push whatever agenda I may have around logs. At same time, I do not like when vapers carry the torch for ANTZ when it comes to smoking. Suddenly 'you' no longer feel like your on my/our side.

Furthermore, I get to see a bunch of vapers, many on ECF, who will say that if FDA deeming proposals don't go 'our way' then they will be forced to go back to smoking. Cause you know, that would be just so horrible. Not sure how to make points in this paragraph without drawing some controversy, but I recognize what that's about, and it is yet another jab at smoking. I'd say more, but not real interested in attracting the ire of vast majority of vapers. Suffice it to say, for one who enjoys smoking, does smoke moderately, it doesn't feel real good to have vapers who expressly loathe idea of their own smoking, much less the general idea of anyone smoking. I also, don't see the idea of 'forced to go back to smoking' as helpful to the cause.

Anyway, was compelled to rant just a bit, but the questions I asked a few paragraphs ago is one I desire responses to.
Thanks for reading.
 

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The problem is that smoking kills people. Not all people, but enough. I personally promote reducing cigarettes. I don't smoke anymore, but I don't think a few cigarettes is the issue. The issue is a lot of cigarettes. I am one of those who is afraid of what the FDA might do because there is a high probability I will go back to smoking and that terrifies me. It doesn't bother me because smoking is evil or morally wrong; it bothers me because I smoked 2 1/2 packs of day, woke up every morning with burning lungs, had constant sinus infections, dealt with a terrible smoker's cough, and have a very extensive history of lung cancer on both sides of my family. It would be horrible.
 

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Hi Jman8
I started vaping because my smoking was getting out of hand. I was unable to control it. I have known people who could have 1 or 2 cigs on a Saturday night. Then maybe not have another for a month or so. Man...I wanted to be like that. But I could not. So I tried vaping. Not to quit smoking but to try to cut down. It worked. I probably haven't had a cig in about a month. But if I want one I will.

My dad would drive me crazy always saying "everything in moderation". He did not moderate his repetition of saying it. LOL

Don't worry. Be happy. :)
 

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I know what you're saying. I truly loved smoking for the past 30 years and if I went outside right now and lit up, I'd thoroughly enjoy it. My personal choice for me is to try to vape only; replacing cigs. A lot of it for me is money. While expensive to get started, vaping will eventually be cheaper. Another point is vaping places I couldn't smoke. Anyone smoking as little as you are isn't going to hurt anything IMO. For me, 30 years was enough. Everyone is different. Mine was strictly a nicotine addiction. The delivery system didn't matter as much as the drug itself. I work with 2 girls who started vaping as a smoking cessation measure, but they are are more situational smokers than nic addicts, and are finding it hard. I also don't drink, or I'd be in trouble as, when I did, it went great with a beer. LOL Do your thing, sometimes it's hard to tell what the future might bring.
 

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when I started I smoked at least 2 1/2 pad, sometimes more. I started vaping because cigs were costing too much money. that is the ONLY reason. (husband wouldn't pay for cigs but because of his whining for years, he gets to pay for ecigs lol)
I smoked and vaped and soon found myself at 2 cigs a day. a year and a half later I still smoke those 2 cigs a day, at bedtime. why? because I'm old and I want to! but I do have a little "rule" that if I go more than 2 a day I have to stop those 2 a day and I don't want that to happen, so I have been able to stick to the limit.
I don't think I answered any of your questions though :)
 

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My son does much the same as you Jman. As long as he's smoking much less than he was, good! Speaking for myself, yes, it would be pretty bad for me to go back to smoking. I kind of like not breathing like an elephant was sitting on my chest. My dad had COPD and would take his oxygen mask off to smoke. I'll be d@mned if that's going to be me.

Taking it a little further...every person I got a starter kit for, I did NOT expect them to just up and quit smoking. I wanted them to have the option, try it out and make their own adult decisions.
 

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I hear ya cluckin' big chicken. The dangers of smoking is definately linked to how much one smokes. The occasional smoke, while not completely harmless, I wouldn't consider very high risk behavior. The problem, of course, is since cigarettes are so addicting, most smokers aren't of the occasional type.

With vaping, it makes it possible for me to be the type of smoker who only occasionally has a cigarette, though it's gotten pretty rare that I indulge in one. Vaping just mimics everything I loved about smoking, but even better. When I smoke the occasional OP (cig bummed off other people) it's often because I have a dead battery (happened this last weekend) or just have a desire for some burning tobacco. It's never a taste issue where I crave the taste of a cig, because the naturally extracted tobacco juices that I vape taste so much better and more authentic to tobacco than a cig. I would buy a pack though of one of those fancy European brand or a pack of Nat Sherman, mainly out of curiosity.

I would also consider buying a pipe to smoke from occasionally but one things holds me back; I would want to enjoy it relaxing at home, but I like that my home smells so much better than when I smoked, so an e-pipe would be a better option for me. As far as cigars, if anyone offers me one, I'll gladly smoke it up.

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Rant aside, to answer your question: no, I doubt anyone here has an "issue" with someone who isn't gun-ho about smoking cessation. A lot of us smoke on and off in addition to vaping. Likewise, promoting "smoking less" rather than "not smoking" also won't ruffle feathers here.

Speaking of going back to smoking being "just so horrible"... yeah, it would be. Non-smokers aren't just idiots when they get on the case of smokers about how stupid it is. It's stupid. Even when I was smoking analogs it was stupid. Even when I said it wasn't stupid and rationalized it, it was stupid. There isn't any relaxation or benefit or joy that it provides that's worth a 50/50 chance of dying from it. You're kidding yourself if you think there is, or you don't value the length of your life nearly as much as you will when it's closer to being over. ANTZ get up in arms because smokers don't want to see/admit what everyone else can see is blindingly obvious.

I'm not a fan of getting yelled at, or told over and over to stop smoking, or being recited someone's story about their brush with death that got them off smokes. If I DO smoke, I want people to leave me the hell alone when I do it. BUT, I have to admit as a rational person that there's nothing, NOTHING sensible about smoking. The ANTZ are right, they're just pretentious ...... about it.
 

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As a person that smoked for 40 years, part of my childhood and all of my adulthood, I couldnt wate to find something that would help me truely get off analogs for good. Besides it being very bad for you, the whole playing russian roulette with your life, smelling horrible all the time, having a cough that makes you gag so hard it brings tears to the eyes, and you think you cant breath.There are no redeeming factors for smoking. Its an addiction that is double layered that will make you come up with all kinds of excuses why you cant give them up, even the excuse "I like smoking". The cigarette controls you and what you do in your life and how you do it. It becomes exceptable, and you reason it out, telling yourself I wont be the one to get cancer, lung problems, and all the other life threatening things that go along with smoking. No I wouldnt happen to me. That is your brain trying to reason with you to keep you on analogs. Even down to those last couple. Oh its better cause im only smoking a few a week or a pack a month. That is still smoking and getting 4000+ chemicals into your body.

I understand why people stay on smoking with vaping, they are letting the analog control them. This is why when I started vaping the first day that was the last day I smoked. Now id tryed all the other kinds of ways to quit and they just didnt do it. Even being cerified in smoke cessation didnt even help me. The first few days were tough, the first month of detoxing and getting all the chem out of my body was hard, but the out come makes it well worth it, just being able to walk up a flight of stair without running out of breath is worth it.

The hold of the addiction is so strong that I saw people with throat cancer still smoking,lung cancer/brain cancer (this was a very good friend of mine that died), same with breathing problems, and heart attacks. They just couldnt give it up. And did this make me give it up seeing day after day these people, no it didnt. Because I had that little voice telling me that cant happen to you.

Now im in 2 months and dont have a little voice telling me that I need that analog, I can see things much clearer. I will probably stay on nicotine for how ever long I want, nicotine is not the bad part of smoking. Im enjoying the feeling of being away from all those chemicals and being able to breath, not coughing up a lung all the time. I still stand a chance of 40 years of smoking to get cancer, but very day im away from analogs puts me a little bit farther away from having it happening, my body will now begin healing.

There is no good reason to keep smoking IMHO.
 

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As a person that smoked for 40 years, part of my childhood and all of my adulthood, I couldnt wate to find something that would help me truely get off analogs for good. Besides it being very bad for you, the whole playing russian roulette with your life, smelling horrible all the time, having a cough that makes you gag so hard it brings tears to the eyes, and you think you cant breath.There are no redeeming factors for smoking. Its an addiction that is double layered that will make you come up with all kinds of excuses why you cant give them up, even the excuse "I like smoking". The cigarette controls you and what you do in your life and how you do it. It becomes exceptable, and you reason it out, telling yourself I wont be the one to get cancer, lung problems, and all the other life threatening things that go along with smoking. No I wouldnt happen to me. That is your brain trying to reason with you to keep you on analogs. Even down to those last couple. Oh its better cause im only smoking a few a week or a pack a month. That is still smoking and getting 4000+ chemicals into your body.

I understand why people stay on smoking with vaping, they are letting the analog control them. This is why when I started vaping the first day that was the last day I smoked. Now id tryed all the other kinds of ways to quit and they just didnt do it. Even being cerified in smoke cessation didnt even help me. The first few days were tough, the first month of detoxing and getting all the chem out of my body was hard, but the out come makes it well worth it, just being able to walk up a flight of stair without running out of breath is worth it.

The hold of the addiction is so strong that I saw people with throat cancer still smoking,lung cancer/brain cancer (this was a very good friend of mine that died), same with breathing problems, and heart attacks. They just couldnt give it up. And did this make me give it up seeing day after day these people, no it didnt. Because I had that little voice telling me that cant happen to you.

Now im in 2 months and dont have a little voice telling me that I need that analog, I can see things much clearer. I will probably stay on nicotine for how ever long I want, nicotine is not the bad part of smoking. Im enjoying the feeling of being away from all those chemicals and being able to breath, not coughing up a lung all the time. I still stand a chance of 40 years of smoking to get cancer, but very day im away from analogs puts me a little bit farther away from having it happening, my body will now begin healing.

There is no good reason to keep smoking IMHO.

ack, you sound like an antz :) yes, I'm taking this a little personally :?:.
cigs are not the only thing killing us. cigs are not the only thing we consume that have chemicals. almost all food and certainly all the processed foods have ... chemicals. I don't like being judged and analyzed. I had low blood pressure, I did not cough that much, I could breath.
I still contend that any way somebody quits or just cuts back is the right way for them and they should follow their own path, just as you followed yours. :vapor:
oh and PS, if I had an incurable cancer, I would probably smoke again, eat cake and have as much fun as I could before i had to leave. (I guess I'm an ornery old lady lol)
 

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I'm ok with people smoking and vaping. I no longer smoke because tobacco tastes awful to me now. If it does not taste bad to you and you want to smoke, I don't feel I or ANY non-smoker has the right to tell you to stop. As long as it does not harm me that is. :) You can feel free to shoot holes in your ceiling... As long as you don't hurt me or frighten me when doing it :D
The reason I don't think I should have the right to tell you not to light up where it's legal is that I smoked for 30 years.
The reason I don't think someone who has never smoked, or just "tried it once" is because they don't have the perspective to understand what you like about it.
 

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ack, you sound like an antz :) yes, I'm taking this a little personally :?:.
cigs are not the only thing killing us. cigs are not the only thing we consume that have chemicals. almost all food and certainly all the processed foods have ... chemicals. I don't like being judged and analyzed. I had low blood pressure, I did not cough that much, I could breath.
I still contend that any way somebody quits or just cuts back is the right way for them and they should follow their own path, just as you followed yours. :vapor:
oh and PS, if I had an incurable cancer, I would probably smoke again, eat cake and have as much fun as I could before i had to leave. (I guess I'm an ornery old lady lol)


Was just stating my opinion, Not to be taken pesonally by anyone. I form this opinion from many different things, having worked in a pharmacy, having smoked for 40 years, having seen people die from smoking,having been certified in smoking cessation, having tried to get off cig myself for many years. And im not saying anyone has to follow the same path as me, I not demanding it, nor would I. Just giving my persective on the whole thing.

Im not sure why you would take it personal what I have said. Im not attacking anyone, all im saying there is no good reason to keep smoking.
 

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If you still like smoking, maybe try vaping a clearo with burnt wicks, lol.

In all seriousness, though . .I don't think it's necessarily bad if somebody uses vaping only to cut down vs quit. The less cigarettes smoked, the better. I don't smoke cigarettes anymore because I don't want to . .I prefer vaping. If I wanted one, I'd have one . . so you'll get no complaints from me.
 

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Im not sure why you would take it personal what I have said. Im not attacking anyone, all im saying there is no good reason to keep smoking.

I took it a little personally because I just posted that I still smoke 2 a day. my good reason: cause I'm old and I want to :rolleyes: of course, the ONLY reason I started vaping was to save money.
but I allow that you have the right to state your opinion !
 

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The reason I don't think someone who has never smoked, or just "tried it once" is because they don't have the perspective to understand what you like about it.

You know, those people would reply that as smokers, we have lost the perspective to understand that what we "like" about it is the nicotine talking.

Look at the mental gymnastics addicts of any substance go through to reason why their preference of such-and-such chemical should outweigh their health or livelihood. Smokers, junkies, etc. It all boils down to:

Does my desire to enjoy myself mean more to me than my health?

If a smoker says "screw it, I just like smoking and don't care to stop": cool, your enjoyment means more than your health. But if a smoker says "blah-blah-blah, so I don't think it's that unhealthy for me": you're deluding yourself. Non-smokers aren't non-smokers because they just don't understand what people like about it, you know? It's us smokers that aren't/weren't understanding a part of this, not them.
 
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Im not attacking anyone, all im saying there is no good reason to keep smoking.

I disagree with this point. For me, the reason for the very occasional cigarette is because I occasionally enjoy one. Now, you may not consider that a good reason, but for me it's a good enough reason. 1. Because a cigarette every month or two has very little health consequences. And 2. I do a lot of things for purely the reason that I enjoy it, even if I don't get other benefits. Alcohol is a very dangerous and damaging drug, yet many people who can occasionally have a few and enjoy it do so without much risk.

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