Vaping vs Smoking
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It might be nice to confirm for us that in fact there are verifiable and documented cases
of nicotine causing illness at the individual level and not drown one with minutia.
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Mike
It's not just you. There are tens of thousands of inactive or barely active ECF members who have possibly reached the same conclusion. All you need to do is search for the early diacetyl threads circa 2010.
Nature of the beast, enthusiast forums are not the place to come for objectivity regarding that particular activity. And there is more reason for it with vaping, like Lessifer alluded to, many vapers ( and smokers ) have felt hounded and persecuted for so long, it has set them up into a very inflexible emotional state. Such is life. Sometimes you find kernels of truth in even the most outlandish conspiracy theories though !
I'm still looking for verified cases of nicotine causing all these illnesses. Not having any luck.
Tens of thousands? Never seen one farewell ECF post because of the scientific debates.
I'm not saying it hasn't happened,just saying I haven't seen one.
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Mike
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I think there would have to be clinical studies testing for medicinal purposes using nicotine that show no immunosuppression because not every study is looking for it. Or am I wrong? Is immunosuppression something that would be inherent in any type of medicinal study on nicotine?
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Tomorrow i plan on digging deep into the subject tomorrow.
The overviews of medicinal studies do not mention anything on the subject
other than nicotine despite claims to the counter is not considered harmful
generally in the doses used. Not a single negative outcome is commented on.
Nicotine has been known since the early 60's to be of little or no concern
to health and the 1964 Surgeon Generals Report on Smoking said as much.
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Mike
That's why I made the comment
I hadn't searched it out, but the studies I had read prior to today about nicotine did not mention it.
I don't think I'm inflexible, I just want actual data, using methods that approximate real life situations and exposure levels that are comparable to the levels of average use among vapers. I don't think that's too much to ask when the results could effect major policy decisions.
Call them what you like. They are shills spreading misinformation to advance the interests of vaping companies.
I didn't mean that's the reason for all the inactive members. That's why i used the word " possibly ". But you are right, my post was poorly worded, i should have said " some stopped posting for that reason ". And i can tell by pm's i have received, that some have.
There are 230,000 members on the forum. The number of people currently posting is a tiny fraction of that, and those posting on these types of threads, a tiny fraction of that.
Farewell posts ? People just stop posting, they don't bid farewell.
If that is true then there are also shills advancing the interests of the ANTZ
et al.
Regards
Mike
Whether they are shills or fans i don't know, but i agree that some members spread misinformation deliberately. I can tell because i have corrected some and they acknowledged that they " made a mistake " but a few weeks later they make the same identical statement, as politicians repeat " talking points ".
Oh yeah, they are not very subtle or even skillful in spreading misinformation.
No you are implying people do not frequent this forum because they are
fed up with people like me.
That 'possibly' doesn't negate what you are implying. Unless you are saying what you say is
nothing. It's awfully convenient on your part to assert 'they' simply quit posting. I wish I could
recruit all these 'they' and or 'other people' to my side.
Mike
THAT, my friend, indicates that you are either a shill, severely naive or else have an agenda. Take your pick.
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Just to make myself clear. Are you deliberately insulting me?
I am not naive nor a shill. I however will freely admit I am opinionated.
If and until you want to bring this discussion up to an adult level keep
your thinly veiled aspersions to yourself. I personally find them insulting
and uncalled for considering the fine quality of members in this thread and
on this forum.
Regards
Mike
I didn't mention you per se, and i wasn't implying, i said it directly ! I know for a fact that there are members who won't frequent certain areas of this forum because they don't like being called ANTZ if their opinion diverges from the regulars. But that is on them. They shouldn't be so thin-skinned !
Sorry if I came off that way. No intention of insulting you - or anyone else. Just expressing my opinion. As you can tell, I am just as opinionated as you are. This ANTZ stuff is way off the mark .... Almost everyone I know is trying to reduce their nicotine intake. It does not make them an ANTZ. And even if they were, so what?
I honestly can't remember anyone ever calling another poster an ANTZ. I know I've seen people say that someone is using an ANTZ like argument, or that a train of thought leads to ANTZ policies, things like that.
There IS a difference.
There IS a difference.
Ok, well, I just remembered a couple of instances where some members did call posters ANTZ trolls or something like that. Usually when it's their first post and it's a link to some junk science study and the post is some fantasy about how vaping gave them a stroke after two hits.
Not the usual posters though. Except steve, who I don't think is around anymore.
Not the usual posters though. Except steve, who I don't think is around anymore.
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