Vaping vs Smoking

[Robino1]

All of these scientific papers just reinforce my belief. Thank you guys!

I knew what vaping has done for me, personally, as I just don't get sick anymore. Haven't for three years now. Although I did get a minor cold about a year ago. It just never really kicked in to deliver the what would have been ten days of hell. More like three days of discomfort.

I've known for a long time that smokers are addicted to cigarettes. Never smokers don't get addicted to nicotine.

Cigarettes and nicotine re two different animals.

Now if we really think about it, past studies on cigarette addiction were just that. They never thought to separate out the nicotine and assumed that it was the nic that caused the addiction. With an open mind, is it just possible to concede that nicotine WITH the addition of tobacco AND the chemicals added to create a mental (as well as physical) addiction?

I say yes. As vaping is fairly new (and it is still, in the grand scheme of life) we will see if vaping carries the same additive qualities as cigarette use. We have many people that have gotten into vaping for the 'fun' of a new 'fad'. IF those people can get tired of this 'fad' and just walk away....our theories will be proven out.

I truly believe that it will be proven that nicotine and vaping, without the added chemicals found in cigarettes, will be harmless and will be beneficial to some of us as we age.

Science is starting to catch on that nic is not the big bad wolf.

 

[DC2]

This is vaping folklore...

Well, I can tell you this much, it IS approved by the EPA for that purpose...
https://archive.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/web/pdf/propylene_glycol_red.pdf

A. Regulatory History

Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants. At one point, there were approximately 190 pesticide chemical companies having active propylene or dipropylene glycol registrations. Many of these registrations were canceled over the years and more recently, the majority of the remaining producers of propylene and dipropylene glycol formulated pesticide products are being represented by a consortium called the CSPA (Consumer Specialty Products Association) Glycols Joint Venture. The member companies currently represented by this consortium are: Amrep, Inc., Beaumont Products, Inc., Chase Products, MEDO/SOPUS Products, Reckitt Benkiser, Inc.,

C. Use Profile

1. Propylene Glycol
The following is information on the currently registered uses of propylene glycol products and an overview of use sites and application methods. A detailed table of the uses of propylene glycol eligible for reregistration is contained in Appendix A.

Type of Pesticide: Bacteriostat, Fungistat

Summary of Use Sites:

Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage. Target Pests: Odor-causing bacteria, Fleas, Mites, Red lice, Animal pathogenic bacteria (G- and G+ vegetative), Shigella bacteria, Pasteurella bacteria, Listeria bacteria, Herpes Simplex I and II, Animal viruses, Influenza Virus A2, Aspergillus Niger Fungus, Mold/Mildew, Pseudomonas SPP., Shigella Flexneri, Shigella Sonnei.

Search: Propylene Glycol hospital

 

[Kent C]

http://archive.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/web/pdf/propylene_glycol_red.pdf

II. CHEMICAL OVEVIEW

A. Regulatory History

Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants.


Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage.


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"The report of the 3 years' study of the clinical application of the disinfection of air by glycol vapors in a children's convalescent home showed a marked reduction in the number of acute respiratory infections occurring in the wards treated with both propylene and triethylene glycols. Whereas in the control wards 132 infections occurred during the course of the three winters, there were only 13 such instances in the glycol wards during the same period."
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/36/4/390.pdf

 

[bigdancehawk]

This is vaping folklore...

You are mistaken.
"Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage."
http://archive.epa.gov/pesticides/reregistration/web/pdf/propylene_glycol_red.pdf

EDIT: Woops! Well, just in case he missed the first two.

 

[Lessifer]

This is vaping folklore...

From what I've gathered, and I haven't really researched it, is that it was approved for that use, but never really applied widely.

So it is folklore that it is pumped into hospital air, but not folklore that it could be.

 

[Lessifer]

One thing I have actually tried to look into, by running various google searches, is to determine what is in commercial air fresheners/deodorizers/disinfectants. Unfortunately they're only required to list active ingredients(which PG would not be), and the rest is a mystery.

 

[Jman8]

One thing I have actually tried to look into, by running various google searches, is to determine what is in commercial air fresheners/deodorizers/disinfectants. Unfortunately they're only required to list active ingredients(which PG would not be), and the rest is a mystery.

I'm okay with allowing people to use these, I just think they only should be used where smoking is allowed.

LOL. Was incredibly hard to type that with a straight face. Can only wear deodorant where smoking is allowed. That would be a hilarious policy.

 

[skoony]

@DC2 @Kent C @bighawkdance Ditto i just pulled that EPA file up.

Your freedoms do not include denying facts, creating distortions or otherwise dismissing any viewpoint that doesn't match yours. If you do not think you are addicted, try and stop your vaping for a couple of days - at will - and let us know how it goes.

Speaking for myself,perhaps others feel the same. I do not believe any one here is denying
facts, just interpreting them different. Distortions? No. Speculations and reasoned opinion,yes.
I do not dismiss anyone's viewpoint but, I reserve my right to disagree with with opinions
as suitable to my understanding of the task at hand.
It's also my opinion based on my understanding of the term addiction from a legal
or medical point of view nicotine as used in vaping does not meet the requirements
either legally or medically to qualify as a "addiction" as in the doses we use pose
such a low risk to otherwise healthy individuals there is no need for any real concern.
Since switching to vaping for nicotine I have not developed Skin ulcers.dental problems,
neglect of personal hygiene,psychotic episodes,psychiatric disorders,criminal violations,
autoimmune responses,Spouse and or pet abuse and lastly have not burned any holes
in the furniture or carpet. I am also happy to inform the fine folks here I do not live
under the bridge over the tracks with "those people". (no offense to those people I
am empathetic to your plight)

Regards
Mike

 

[Exchaner]

I still think you missed the post where I quoted the medical experts.
It's post #192 above.

Here's a link...
Vaping vs Smoking

Thanks, I will read it and get back. I do have one benefit of nicotine in mind; gives me a good high

 

[Kent C]

3.2 Inhalation Exposure


Studies have been done in hospital wards using PG in an air-sterilization application. In these

studies, humans were exposed to saturated and super saturated atmospheres for prolonged

periods without adverse effects.12 In 1971, the uptake of PG mist by humans was studied using


a 10% solution in labeled deionized water which was nebulized into a mist tent. Less then 5%

of the mist entered the body, and of this 5%, 90% lodged in the nasopharynx and rapidly disappeared

into the stomach. Very little PG was found in the lungs. 12

http://www.sfata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Literature-review-for-Glycerol-and-Glycols.pdf

 

[Exchaner]

Since switching to vaping for nicotine I have not developed Skin ulcers.dental problems,

I have developed some dental problems which my dentist attributes to nicotine; but he hasn't given me a source behind his opinion.

As to the meaning of the word addiction, I may not know what it looks like, but I know it when I see it - That is what one chief justice said about pornography.

 

[puffon]

I have developed some dental problems which my dentist attributes to nicotine; but he hasn't given me a source behind his opinion.

As to the meaning of the word addiction, I may not know what it looks like, but I know it when I see it - That is what one chief justice said about pornography.

My dental problems have improved since quitting smoking and starting vaping.
My dentist attributes it to not smoking.
I attribute it to gargling with peroxide and salt water.
Go figure.......

 

[skoony]

I have developed some dental problems which my dentist attributes to nicotine; but he hasn't given me a source behind his opinion.

As to the meaning of the word addiction, I may not know what it looks like, but I know it when I see it - That is what one chief justice said about pornography.

The dental reference has nothing to do with nicotine.
I have no regrets when i look into a mirror for what it's worth.
It's all good.
Mike

 

[englishmick]

3.2 Inhalation Exposure


Studies have been done in hospital wards using PG in an air-sterilization application. In these

studies, humans were exposed to saturated and super saturated atmospheres for prolonged

periods without adverse effects.12 In 1971, the uptake of PG mist by humans was studied using


a 10% solution in labeled deionized water which was nebulized into a mist tent. Less then 5%

of the mist entered the body, and of this 5%, 90% lodged in the nasopharynx and rapidly disappeared

into the stomach. Very little PG was found in the lungs. 12

http://www.sfata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Literature-review-for-Glycerol-and-Glycols.pdf

Amazing how much information is out there if you have the dedication to look for it.

On the subject of scientific papers, I read this today.

Why one woman stole 47 million academic papers — and made them all free to read

Supposedly over 90% of all research papers ever published are on this site already and they are still adding more. Right now it seems to be in the process of moving from American servers to foreign servers to dodge lawsuits, so it's temporarily only accessible through Tor. But it should be back up soon. And the article suggests that it will be almost impossible for national governments to close it down through legal action.

Probably wouldn't help much with the piece being discussed in this thread, since that one seems to be a few test tubes short of actual scientific research and it's a long way from being publication ready.

 

[Nimaz]

This is vaping folklore...

I still love your Avatar...

 

[inspects]

The last time I was at the dentist after not smoking for six months he said "My, your gums appear to be much better than the last visit" Then he went poking around as usual. "Yes...they are much better, no bleeding"

 

[Kent C]

Amazing how much information is out there if you have the dedication to look for it.

Yep. One of the problems looking up PG with hospital ventilation, is that most of the links go to ecigs sites I should have done the (-electronic cigarettes/-ecigs) on the google search, but I found enough non ecig sites that stated, but without exact numbers, that hospitals did, in fact, use PG in their ventilation systems at some point in time, as did other medical facilities, certain hospital rooms, etc., some as late as 2007 but many in the 50's and 60's. The 'Robertson study' of 1942 (with mice) is basically what started it and then the FDA approved the process for hospitals and other buildings.

 

[Exchaner]

My dental problems have improved since quitting smoking and starting vaping.
My dentist attributes it to not smoking.
I attribute it to gargling with peroxide and salt water.
Go figure.......

Your experience might be different than mine because I still light up a few times a day, and nicotine gets absorbed much more readily that way.

I use peroxide as well, but mix it with an equal amount of water. Is that what you do? What about salt water, you mix it with the peroxide or separately? I need to try that.

 

[puffon]

It makes perfect sense that your experience might be different than mine because I still light up a few times a day, and nicotine gets absorbed much faster that way.

I use peroxide as well, but mix it with an equal amount of water. Is that what you do? What about salt water, you mix it with the peroxide or separately?

50/50 water/peroxide, separate salt water
My hygienist has been impressed with the progress, after a year.

 

[Lessifer]

Your experience might be different than mine because I still light up a few times a day, and nicotine gets absorbed much more readily that way.

I use peroxide as well, but mix it with an equal amount of water. Is that what you do? What about salt water, you mix it with the peroxide or separately? I need to try that.

Couldn't possibly be the smoke, right? Has to be the nicotine.

I don't mean to sound flippant, ok maybe a little, but you sound a bit like Kristy who dual used vaping and smoking for 6 months before returning to smoking full time, and then blamed her subsequent lung collapse on vaping.