VapingWithVic - Youtube & Gmail Account Terminated

[Brewdawg1181]

Vic stated (not sure if true, didn't check) that a recent court ruling (Prager U vs Youtube?) sided with Google/youtube - they do not have to allow free speech because they are not a public utility or anything of the sort.

Yeah, but that's not the specific issue I'm talking about- not a "free speech issue," really. I don't have a good link or anything handy at the moment, but have read about this for months. Look up Section 230. It protects them because they don't (didn't) make content - they just provide a platform that users determine content for. But once they start the slippery slope of censoring - deciding what is shown on their platform, they no longer meet that requirement. They're tantamount to a newspaper, or news show, or whatever....deciding what you see. And with the strength they have, that's scary. And at mimimum, they should have no protection. Just check it out, you'll see what I mean.

 

[susieqz]

i never doubted that you tube could dictate policy.
they can do anything they want to increase profits.
that's how it works.
nothing to get upset about.

 

[Rossum]

i never doubted that you tube could dictate policy.
they can do anything they want to increase profits.
that's how it works.
nothing to get upset about.

Censorship decisions aren't necessarily profit-driven; they may well be dictated by a desire to do what they believe is socially responsible, i.e what fits their social agenda.

We've seen this sort of thing for decades on the Internet. Examples:
• YT doesn't allow porn, but there are other streaming services that that do, and some of them have tons of traffic and are very profitable.
• When eBay banned the sale of firearms and many related items early on, an alternative platform came into being to fill that niche.
• ECF has strict rules regarding colorful language, buying/selling/bartering, political discussion and so on. Some people didn't like those rules and created a different forum with more relaxed rules.

Each of these entities has given up users (and thus profits) in order to do what their management thinks is "right". Nothing prevents those who don't agree with that perception from using or creating an alternative platform.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Censorship decisions aren't necessarily profit-driven; they may well be dictated by a desire to do what they believe is socially responsible, i.e what fits their social agenda.

We've seen this sort of thing for decades on the Internet. Examples:
• YT doesn't allow porn, but there are other streaming services that that do, and some of them have tons of traffic and are very profitable.
• When eBay banned the sale of firearms and many related items early on, an alternative platform came into being to fill that niche.
• ECF has strict rules regarding colorful language, buying/selling/bartering, political discussion and so on. Some people didn't like those rules and created a different forum with more relaxed rules.

Each of these entities has given up users (and thus profits) in order to do what their management thinks is "right". Nothing prevents those who don't agree with that perception from using or creating an alternative platform.

I only partially agree with this. What is the alternate platform you recommend instead of Google/Youtube? Sure, there are other search engines and video platforms, but their effect as competition is spit in the ocean at this point. And even if you and I and millions of others ignore them, should they be able wield their power to do what they're doing to influence US politics?

i never doubted that you tube could dictate policy.
they can do anything they want to increase profits.
that's how it works.
nothing to get upset about.

Maybe it doesn't upset you. But it's really beyond profit. It doesn't take a tinfoil hat to realize one of their goals is to build a "better" world, according to their views, while enjoying unwarranted government protection that was designed to assist internet startups decades ago.

There's plenty people can read about it, but this is a very revealing, short video that highlights the power most people don't even think about:

 

[CaveFurby]

I know that a substantial amount of folks on here could care less about youtube vape reviewers. No problem there. But the growing trend to displace/remove vape reviewers from that platform is disturbing. Corporate decision for their advertisers and all that. Sad to see it happen though. You probably haven't seen Jared The vaping Goat, he's been a prolific reviewer these past 2 years. Good guy, language can get pretty bad but his reviews are solid and he's been really active in the advocacy scene. Received his second major strike and had multiple (hundreds) of videos removed by youtube. Same pattern as what happened to Vic. To my surprise he's posted a video, informing his audience that rather than wait for youtube to swing the final blow and totally delete his channel, he is making the decision to erase his own videos himself and not wait for the youtube axe to fall, and to end his channel on his own terms. To exit gracefully, rather than be silently deleted. I was surprised but I rather admire that. The man had a few thousand videos, so many hours of work and he deleted it all himself. Appears he's going to post up on .....ute, an alternate platform. Very sad, seeing vape channels disappear one by one. I think of all the enjoyable live shows I've sat in on on the tube, don't think we'll be seeing that type of thing much longer. Granted, it's not quite a community like we have on ECF forum, but it is a vaping community and sad to see good folks being pushed out due to an agenda. (Posted up on Bit Chute)

 

[Don29palms]

I know that a substantial amount of folks on here could care less about youtube vape reviewers. No problem there. But the growing trend to displace/remove vape reviewers from that platform is disturbing. Corporate decision for their advertisers and all that. Sad to see it happen though. You probably haven't seen Jared The Vaping Goat, he's been a prolific reviewer these past 2 years. Good guy, language can get pretty bad but his reviews are solid and he's been really active in the advocacy scene. Received his second major strike and had multiple (hundreds) of videos removed by youtube. Same pattern as what happened to Vic. To my surprise he's posted a video, informing his audience that rather than wait for youtube to swing the final blow and totally delete his channel, he is making the decision to erase his own videos himself and not wait for the youtube axe to fall, and to end his channel on his own terms. To exit gracefully, rather than be silently deleted. I was surprised but I rather admire that. The man had a few thousand videos, so many hours of work and he deleted it all himself. Appears he's going to post up on .....ute, an alternate platform. Very sad, seeing vape channels disappear one by one. I think of all the enjoyable live shows I've sat in on on the tube, don't think we'll be seeing that type of thing much longer. Granted, it's not quite a community like we have on ECF forum, but it is a vaping community and sad to see good folks being pushed out due to an agenda.

I can personally assure you Jared the Vaping Goat is NOT a good guy.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Uh oh, looks like RipTrippers might be gearing up to try his hand at a healthy food channel next, seeing how his kids channel may not be working...

RiP Trippers

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Uh oh, looks like RipTrippers might be gearing up to try his hand at a healthy food channel next, seeing how his kids channel may not be working...

RiP Trippers

Super Bloke has generated 900+k views across 7 videos. His last 7 videos on his vape channel has only generated 284k views. The question now is, are the 900+k views from his targeted “kids” audience or just 900K vapers who want to see Rip in a white leotard?

 

[CaveFurby]

No One wants to see Rip in leotards!!

 

[Don29palms]

No One wants to see Rip in leotards!!

Noone wants to see RIP PERIOD!

 

[mimöschen]

Youtube/Google censorship is no different than the nazi book burnings...we need to fight these silicon valley censors unless they take all of our free speech away on the internet.

No. Nazi book burnings were in fact a twisted form of free speech done by members or sympathizers of the NSDAP.
Noone was forced with a gun at his head to burn a book.

Google is a private corporation, that has all the right to decide which content is available on their sites. That's not censorship. It's a common practice in all media.

Google has become such a powerhouse, because the people simply want it that way.
Noone forces us with gun in hand to use their services either.
Just don't support Youtube, Google, Android and Chrome anymore and use the available alternatives like Dailymotion, Duckduckgo, Linux and Firefox instead.

 

[Doffy]

alternate platforms seemed to fail with the facebook ban on selling vapes

mewe was floated widely, but seems most went back to fb with a workaround the policy

can someone please tell me what the policy he breached was? i don't want to watch his video, because i find him annoying

was it actually vape related? or something else entirely?

thanks

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Youtube put Vic's channel back online

Vaping With Vic

Like 'em or not,

 

[RuiG]

Youtube put Vic's channel back online

Vaping With Vic

Like 'em or not,

Would like to know how and why he got it back so fast.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Would like to know how and why he got it back so fast.

I watched his latest video (sort of) and it appears he doesn't seem to know himself. It just got reinstated.

But from what I understand from hearing about other youtubers (vape and otherwise) getting the shaft, he may have been a victim of an algorithm/bot. Then once he made a stink about it a human did a review and decided he was terminated unjustly, sot they reinstated his account. That's just my theory based on how I have heard YT works when it comes to policing their site.

There is a lot of automation that goes into a site like YT because otherwise it would not be profitable enough to keep alive. In fact, I hear it's barely profitable as it is. Tube sites cost a lot of money to run. That's one factor that keeps successful Youtube competitors from stealing youtube's thunder.

 

[AngeNZ]

alternate platforms seemed to fail with the facebook ban on selling vapes

mewe was floated widely, but seems most went back to fb with a workaround the policy

can someone please tell me what the policy he breached was? i don't want to watch his video, because i find him annoying

was it actually vape related? or something else entirely?

thanks

Would like to know how and why he got it back so fast.

I'm not into YT much, apart from the odd vape review on an item I'm interested in - disclaimer outta the way

I did watch Vics 'aaaaannnnd back' vid. He thought the deletion may be do do with some old eliquid reviews, that contained clickable store links in the comments section. But he wasn't 100% sure on the actual reason for his 3rd strike.

He thanked his vaping community for getting behind him over the YT ban, and thought that may've helped him get his channel back on YT.

YT gives out 3 strikes via a bot. On the 3rd strike, the bot deletes the channel. After his channel was reinstated, he found out he was still 2 strikes down.

He is now going through his 2000 plus videos, to delete any other possible policy breaches

 

[evan le'garde]

Reviewers !?. In my experience reviewers are just........it's difficult to explain.

A while ago was researching the Avegant Glyph "HMD" (Head Mounted Display). I was trying to find negative reviews on Youtube. I knew there would be plenty based on previous reviews i'd seen for similar products. But there wasn't. All i could find were positive reviews. I knew there was something wrong with that so i kept searching. Finally i found an honest reviewer, just one. He said all the things i was expecting to hear. And it confirmed everything i already knew about these devices.

So what were the other reviewers talking about ?. Do they want everyone else to make the same mistake to make themselves feel better ?.

Incidentally, dual screen HMD's always have blurred edges. The Sony HMZ T3 has a feature which allows the user to make the image smaller and not use the entire screen which prevents blurred edges, and is probably the best HMD that's been released to the public to date. But it costs £1300, so not exactly a main stream product and more like an executive toy.

I know this is a little off topic so i tried to be as concise as i could.

I'm waiting for Sony's latest attempt. Apparently it's going to be released around the same time as the Playstation 5, christmas 2020, at a more reasonable price. And if it is an improvement over the T3 it should be a pretty awsome device.

 

[AvaOrchid]

I noticed that a couple other reviewers that I like to watch have scrubbed many many years of their reviews from YouTube or maybe they've just made them private just in case there's a .com or something else on there and it'll get the whole Channel taken out.

 

[dreamvaper]

Pioore Kaaads! (c) Vic