Vapocolypse
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I agree with you on the B&Ms.
I foresee dedicated vape shops either changing drastically, or closing.
However they cannot ban a flashlight.
The regulations will affect the seller and how the device is sold or marketed.
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If anyone thinks vaping is going away they are delusional.
You're absolutely right. That's why I've always thought it important to make sure I have several high quality RTAs, several mods that I won't have to worry about not being able to fix if something goes wrong (like my REOs, hell Im confident enough to say my 2 Provari 2.5s will work just fine a few years from now as well!). I also have several liters of 100mg nic base in the freezer, and will continue to buy it till I can't anymore!
Batteries, wire, and wicking will always be available so I'm not worried about that stuff. I think it would behoove anyone to do the same.
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Same here i've got 20 yrs supply of nic in the freezer and bought 5 mods n tanks last yr. Will buy a bunch of clone rta's this year and already have a bunch of micro switches for when mod buttons fail. Thankfully vg/pg and flavoring will never be regulated.
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It may be an example of government asserting authority however, it no way resembles
the way they are asserting their authority in our case. In the case of supplements they
actually looked at the science. In our case they are completely ignoring it. With supplements
they followed the rules. In our case they changed the rules to their favor. Looking at what
happened to the supplement industry has no bearing on what they are trying ( or should i say
doing) to do to us. We are dealing with an older and wiser FDA. If they get everything they
want through deeming they will use the lessons learned and move on to other things.
In that case somewhere down the road the supplement industry had better have fully
funded war chests.
Regards
Mike
I get what your saying and actually mods will always be available. There so easy to build but tanks and rda's on the other hand. You can't make one outa a mentos bottle or sell it as a "flashlight".
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A dripper is quite simple to make.
The first carto tanks were all handmade.
Most authentics are made in very small shops, many in homes, not large factories.
It's not going away.
The FDA doesn't want it to go away.
If the FDA wanted to ban vaping they would simply ban liquid nicotine.
They have the authority to so it. if they did.....Checkmate.
There is too much money at stake.
When we were in the eighth grade, that is how it worked. Now, fifty-five years later, through the erosion created by both parties, things have changed. The law has not changed, people have changed - not for the better. We, obviously, will never agree on this and our agreement or disagreement is of little consequence.
Comparison to the supplement and vitamin industry is no way related. They were not competing
with BT,BP,Big Medicine and Big Government relying on taxes. The reason they were not squished
is because there was already tons of independent literature indicating how some proteins,vitamins,
and,minerals were necessary for the healthy functioning of the human body. The Fed's had
already issued dietary recommendations and daily requirements. This left government without
the Big Two arguments in their arsonal. The"we don't know" and the "The Chillin' ".
As a mater of fact it was the government's concern for the healthy upbringing of "The Chillin' "
that certain vitamins and such are added to foodstuffs. Think vitamin C.
Somehow even though some supplements,vitamins and, minerals can be quite harmful
in large enough doses this did not seem to a big concern. I wonder how that was got around.
It's interesting to note that dosages are completely ignored when it comes to vaping.
If something toxic is found even if thousands of times below any realistic exposure
level there's near hysteria even though many of these substances are a necessary
ingredient for proper metabolism.
Regards
Mike
The FDA doesn't have much power over the supplement industry mostly due to Orrin Hatch' so called " Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act ". Many Supplement industry companies and marketers are based in his home state and are major campaign donors.
While there has been instances of supplements that have caused harm ( and death in some cases ), the real issue is that they are mostly useless and don't contain the ingredients stated on the label, in other words the harm is mostly to your wallet.
If you need a shop to build something that's text book difficult to make than imo. That's like saying oh a sword is easy to make you just need a forge and years of experience. And i agree the fda doesn't want vaping gone they just want the most $ they can make off it. Hence why i say it'll be cig-a-likes and thankfully all big tobacco already have those products.
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The law is the same, it hasn't changed.
People aren't taught this is school anymore, and that's another thread in itself.
Half this country doesn't bother to vote, which is why politicians get away with criminal activity.
Our system isnt corrupt.
It works when you actually use it.
But you need to actually understand it to use it.
They can't and won't ban flash lights or other stand alone items. They will prohibit
their use in any device that will vaporize any liquid meant to be inhaled.
Unless there is a provision explicitly exempting DIY hardware and juice you
will be breaking the law.
Having said that I do not believe there will be jack booted thugs kicking in
our doors any time soon. 90% of the population will obey the law and go
with the program. Vapers and smokers included. This may be enough
to quench their thirst.
One can buy a distillery legally today. The mini-distilleries are all the
rage. To use them to distill liquor is a federal offence. Are there those
using these things illegally? Hmmm!?,yep. There are even forums for
the novice,intermediate and,advanced. There are no jack boots bothering
them because they are not affecting legal sales to any extent. Our problem
is our own growth. If as many drinkers switch to home distilling as smokers
to vaping you better believe there would be issues.
Regards
Mike
I have a shop in my garage with tools from Home Depot.
It's not difficult.... Unless you can't operate a drill.
If that's the case, someone will probably take your money and do for you.
They can't and won't ban flash lights or other stand alone items. They will prohibit
their use in any device that will vaporize any liquid meant to be inhaled.
Unless there is a provision explicitly exempting DIY hardware and juice you
will be breaking the law.
Having said that I do not believe there will be jack booted thugs kicking in
our doors any time soon. 90% of the population will obey the law and go
with the program. Vapers and smokers included. This may be enough
to quench their thirst.
One can buy a distillery legally today. The mini-distilleries are all the
rage. To use them to distill liquor is a federal offence. Are there those
using these things illegally? Hmmm!?,yep. There are even forums for
the novice,intermediate and,advanced. There are no jack boots bothering
them because they are not affecting legal sales to any extent. Our problem
is our own growth. If as many drinkers switch to home distilling as smokers
to vaping you better believe there would be issues.
Regards
Mike
The FDA cannot stop you from making a mod and vaping.
They can only stop you from selling them.
I agree with you completely. It also helped that there were many reputable companies
in the market and there is no denying that certain dietary supplements are necessary.
There is a reason that high doses of vitamin D are administered in many Emergency
Rooms when heart related issues are involved. Massive doses of vitamin B are frequently
administered in undiagnosable cases of malaise. I agree that with a proper diet no
supplements should be necessary in most otherwise healthy and health conscious individuals.
Regards
mike
Not Going to happen(in my opinion) But if Vaping becomes Illegal
I become an Outlaw
The more one willingly gives up the easier it is to take what they have left. This is not a Battle, it is a War on Rights. The right to Choose when such choice harms no other.
Stand up for whatever you believe in, or willingly step aside and suffer.
I become an Outlaw
The more one willingly gives up the easier it is to take what they have left. This is not a Battle, it is a War on Rights. The right to Choose when such choice harms no other.
Stand up for whatever you believe in, or willingly step aside and suffer.
Yes vitamin D is without a doubt the single most useful dietary supplement in the market, especially for those who don't eat or drink vitamin D fortified food and drink. 95 % of the other products in the market are useless ( especially in the first world ).
They can't stop you from breaking the law. That doesn't mean it will be legal to do so.The FDA cannot stop you from making a mod and vaping.
They can only stop you from selling them.
That doesn't mean they will enforce any restrictions. If DYI doesn't affect the sales
of the Market post deeming cigarettes and what's left of vaping,then there will probably
be no repercussions.
Thier goal is to crush vaping. Switching smokers to vaping is not nor ever will be a
viable long term money making proposition. They need new smokers just as much as we do.
When and if vaping reaches 100% penetration of the market there will be no hook to keep
one vaping as all new users will not have smoked cigarettes. Smoking cigarettes causes
dependency. Life time non-tobacco users do not develop dependency to nicotine. Clinical
trials have proven this.
When deeming is passed and down the road the taxes approximate or pass the
equivalent of cigarettes many vapers will go back to smoking. Not all will.Not all
are here on these forums either. Current and future smokers will see no real
benefit to switch as vaping will still be considered harmful but with regulated
and pure harm causing ingredients. Unless of course your BP and Big Medicine
who's harm reduction and cessation vaper products will be certified as safe by
the FDA the same as patches and gum. they'll make vaping both legal and
medicinal less effective too. What do you think controlling doses per puff is
all about.
Regards
Mike
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