"There is no research yet that indicates whether e-cigs are safe or unsafe, yet they make the claim that they are safe andy healthy."
Now you've ...... me off..
New Zealand did studies that show (at least the Ryun) they are "safe". They comment on how nicotine isn't bad for you (I didn't post my snarky comment that pointed that out) and that PG is deemed safe by all studies ever done on it.
The only thing you _might_ find as not safe could be any exotic chemicals used for flavorings, but the New Zealand study showed that even the tobacco extracts did NOT contain any of the toxic chemicals found in tobacco (probably because it wasn't being combusted coupled with the fact that the extracts only took a tiny number of the chemicals out of tobacco, oils and the like).
you're not pointing out verifiable false claims, you're flat out lying.
I meant real research. First of all, New Zealand did not do these studies, a private company in New Zealand did. You're making it sound like the study was done by the New Zealand government. Second of all,
the study was funded by Ruyan. It's just laughable that you would consider this reliable and unbiased research. I can show you research that shows that smoking cigarettes is safe and that it doesn't cause cancer, but guess what? These studies were funded by various tobacco corporations. Notice how the majority of people on this forum ignore this study and still say that we have no research to show people that proves e-cigarettes are safe. This "study" is a marketing tactic. Notice how the study says that "these findings only reflect Ruyan e-cigarettes" despite the fact that all e-cigs work the same exact way and all e-liquid contains the same mian ingredients.
Also, the review of Propylene Glycol on humans showed that it was only considered safe at concentrations of up to 50%. In e-liquid, PG makes up nearly 2/3 of the solution (65%). Also, the study says that in inhalation tests, the PG was only heated to 80°C, however, our e-cigs reach at least 247 °C (the boiling point of nicotine).
In the study they also state "Glycol fogs in particular were associated with acute cough and dry throat. Those with greater proximity to fog source showed significantly decreased lung function." And also: "
Inhalational Minimal Risk Levels [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman](MRLs). No MRLs for acute- or chronic-duration inhalation exposure to propylene glycol were derived because data are insufficient.[/FONT][/FONT]"
The study also showed that the vapor produced from e-cigarettes contained
pyridine and acetone, two harmful solvents. Formaldehyde was also found in trace amounts, which is a toxic chemical and a carcinogen. While this was only trace amounts, keep in mind that most toxic chemicals in cigarette smoke are only found in trace amounts.
Additionally, they only tested tobacco flavorings, none of the others were tested.
And as I said before, the study for funded completely by Ruyan.
"And it is comon knowlege that nicotine is bad for you - no it doesn't cause cancer, but it can cause a lot of other problems, including a mild side effect of taking too much called death."
nicotine is not bad for you. ...... say it's bad for you because smoking burning tobacco is bad for you, and that's how people get their nicotine. Nicotine in stand alone form, in doses acquired from smoking tobacco or inhaling the liquid in ecigs is NOT "bad for you" in any significant way, no more so than caffeine.
You're an idiot, not a hippie.
Nicotine increases blood pressure, heart rate and constricts arteries, making the heart have to work much harder to pump blood through the body, and can cause heart disease:
"The nicotine present in smoke causes heart disease by:
- Decreasing oxygen to the heart.
- Increasing blood pressure and heart rate.
- Increasing blood clotting.
- Damaging to cells that line coronary arteries and other blood vessels."
Smoking and Heart Disease
Nicotine also causes brain damage:
CNN.com - Health - Study: Nicotine causes selective damage in brain - November 9, 2000
Nicotine also speeds the growth of cancer cells, and can turn pre-cancerous cells into cancerous ones:
How nicotine helps cancer grow - health - 21 July 2006 - New Scientist
Nicotine also contributes to gastro intestinal problems such as stomach ulcers "
Nicotine can increase parasympathetic nerve activity to the GI tract by acting on the nicotinic receptors at synapses - increased stimulation to the
enterochromaffin-like cells and
G cells increases the amount of
histamine and
gastrin secreted and therefore increases the acidity of the gastric juice."
Peptic ulcer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nicotine and your Stomach - Tummy Trouble (UK)
And finally the World Health Organization has not done any studies to show if nicotine, seperate from tobacco is a carcinogenic agent, so I was wrong when I said it doesn't cause cancer, it just hasn't been classified yet independently from tobacco.
Yes compared to the other toxins in cigarettes nicotine doesn't look that bad, hell even some hard drugs don't look that bad next to cigarettes, but that doesn't mean that nicotine isn't bad for you.
And caffiene isn't so harmless either if used on a regular basis.
seems topics are going on that don't really belong here... (haven't even used these 'specific' products, nicotine is bad for you etc.) but I'm just going to ignore the unrelated topic(s) on this thread from now on. 
