Vaptio S150 ATC

[jseah]

Anyone ever heard of Vaptio before? With everyone coming out with temp control mods, another TC mod wouldn't necessarily make many ripples, but supposedly it has a temp sensor built into the coil to ensure accurate temperature readings. It sounds a lot like the Innokin TC system that was rumored to be in the works last year. There's a couple of questions/concerns that I have about this type of temp control:

1. With a temp sensor, does this mean that TC only works with their tank?
2. With a temp sensor, does this mean that you're stuck with their coils only? Are they rebuildable?
3. Will it have temp control if you are using a different atomizer that doesn't have their sensor?

According to what I've been able to find, it supports TC with the now standard Ni/Ti/SS316 wire. I'm interested in just how accurate this could be. In my experience, I've had the best/most accurate temp control with Ni wire. With the wide, measurable temperature fluctuations, it has been the most consistent for me. What I don't like about Ni wire is the low resistance, especially when you want to do a dual coil build. Ti is better with the higher inherent resistance, although I haven't had consistent results. On one TC mod that supports Ti (the Cloupor Mini), I've actually had the cotton burst into flames using Ti coils in a RDA. I've also had so-so results from using SS316 for temp control. Since the resistance varies so little with temperature, I find I get a more consistent vape just using SS316 in power mode and not TC mode.

And it looks like Heaven Gifts is gonna be holding a giveaway for the mod and tank combo.

 

[cobalt327]

Saw that giveaway. Sounds interesting, but there's a definite lack of concrete info at this stage- and unless I won one, I'm waiting on a lot of reviews/more info before buying into the technology. From what I can gather, the proprietary sensor built into the atty head/coil that is part of the 'kit' is separate from traditional TC, which it is said to also have.

No idea how you got cotton to catch fire using the Mini TC mod, but I'd have to say the TC settings would need to be radically wrong or the mod defective for that to happen. I've read where people have come up w/settings that allow a dry burn to TC wire, like to clean it, but that takes a dedicated setting that no one would be likely to vape with.

I have had good results using 316L, Ti and Ni200 with my VTC Mini and Presa TC 75w (same boards so no surprise there). Ni200 has been most consistent but they all work okay. My Smok Treebox doesn't do well at all using 316L- to the point it's unusable in TC. With Ti it works better but not as good as either of my other TC mods so it's basically a one-trick pony, relegated to Ni200 only. Lesson learned- last time I ever take advice from someone w/an axe to grind against another brand of mod. Ironically they hate the VTC Mini- which is a much better mod in every metric except looks, and that's nowhere near enough to make up for all its deficits.

 

[jseah]

Saw that giveaway. Sounds interesting, but there's a definite lack of concrete info at this stage- and unless I won one, I'm waiting on a lot of reviews/more info before buying into the technology. From what I can gather, the proprietary sensor built into the atty head/coil that is part of the 'kit' is separate from traditional TC, which it is said to also have.

No idea how you got cotton to catch fire using the Mini TC mod, but I'd have to say the TC settings would need to be radically wrong or the mod defective for that to happen. I've read where people have come up w/settings that allow a dry burn to TC wire, like to clean it, but that takes a dedicated setting that no one would be likely to vape with.

I have had good results using 316L, Ti and Ni200 with my VTC Mini and Presa TC 75w (same boards so no surprise there). Ni200 has been most consistent but they all work okay. My Smok Treebox doesn't do well at all using 316L- to the point it's unusable in TC. With Ti it works better but not as good as either of my other TC mods so it's basically a one-trick pony, relegated to Ni200 only. Lesson learned- last time I ever take advice from someone w/an axe to grind against another brand of mod. Ironically they hate the VTC Mini- which is a much better mod in every metric except looks, and that's nowhere near enough to make up for all its deficits.

The Cloupor Mini + has a Ti TC mode, and I was using that. Had a pair of Ti coils in a Tugboat v2 RDA and once I pulse fired it with cotton wicks in the coils, the cotton burst into flames. It worked fine with Ni coils in Ni TC mode, and it worked fine in power mode.

SS316 TC works fine for me when it is a fresh coil on the Cuboid, iStick 100 TC, and the VTC Mini (same manufacturer so obviously it should all work the same), although I could never get it to work right with the DNA200. Uploaded the SS316L profile from Steam Engine to the chip through EScribe and if I tried to vape, it immediately hit temp protection as soon as I press the fire button. In Escribe, you also can't enter a TCR value below 100 (supposedly the TCR value for SS316L is either 88 to 92 depending on where you look). With the joyetech/wismec/istick family, SS316 TC works great when the coil is fresh, but once it started getting gunked after a couple of days of use, temp protection starts to kick in earlier and earlier. It is very noticeable as the vape gets weaker and weaker, but if you switch it into wattage mode, it goes back to vaping fine.

 

[USMCotaku]

Anyone ever heard of Vaptio before? With everyone coming out with temp control mods, another TC mod wouldn't necessarily make many ripples, but supposedly it has a temp sensor built into the coil to ensure accurate temperature readings. It sounds a lot like the Innokin TC system that was rumored to be in the works last year. There's a couple of questions/concerns that I have about this type of temp control:

1. With a temp sensor, does this mean that TC only works with their tank?
2. With a temp sensor, does this mean that you're stuck with their coils only? Are they rebuildable?
3. Will it have temp control if you are using a different atomizer that doesn't have their sensor?

According to what I've been able to find, it supports TC with the now standard Ni/Ti/SS316 wire. I'm interested in just how accurate this could be. In my experience, I've had the best/most accurate temp control with Ni wire. With the wide, measurable temperature fluctuations, it has been the most consistent for me. What I don't like about Ni wire is the low resistance, especially when you want to do a dual coil build. Ti is better with the higher inherent resistance, although I haven't had consistent results. On one TC mod that supports Ti (the Cloupor Mini), I've actually had the cotton burst into flames using Ti coils in a RDA. I've also had so-so results from using SS316 for temp control. Since the resistance varies so little with temperature, I find I get a more consistent vape just using SS316 in power mode and not TC mode.

And it looks like Heaven Gifts is gonna be holding a giveaway for the mod and tank combo.

based on the listed specs, and scuttlebutt from other sites, this mod will do standard TC on other wire types. I have yet to see solid confirmation on this, but it would be odd for any company to release a mod that doesn't.

 

[USMCotaku]

Thinking about it, while I don't think they would release it without the ability to use standard TC on wires like Ni, Ti, SS....if the proprietary temp sensor works well.....it wouldn't be a deal breaker for many even if it didn't use those other types. How many people have given up on TC because they just couldn't get it to work right? There are many vapers out there who don't want to bother with learning how to build for TC, who are more then happy to buy premade coils...favoring the "plug and play". If it only used the proprietary temp sensor coils, the failure or success of this mod will be in price and availability of the coils. Lots of tanks never take off, because finding coils isn't easy, for instance you have to go online to order, as they aren't carried in peoples local b&m's.

 

[USMCotaku]

The Cloupor Mini + has a Ti TC mode, and I was using that. Had a pair of Ti coils in a Tugboat v2 RDA and once I pulse fired it with cotton wicks in the coils, the cotton burst into flames. It worked fine with Ni coils in Ni TC mode, and it worked fine in power mode.

SS316 TC works fine for me when it is a fresh coil on the Cuboid, iStick 100 TC, and the VTC Mini (same manufacturer so obviously it should all work the same), although I could never get it to work right with the DNA200. Uploaded the SS316L profile from Steam Engine to the chip through EScribe and if I tried to vape, it immediately hit temp protection as soon as I press the fire button. In Escribe, you also can't enter a TCR value below 100 (supposedly the TCR value for SS316L is either 88 to 92 depending on where you look). With the joyetech/wismec/istick family, SS316 TC works great when the coil is fresh, but once it started getting gunked after a couple of days of use, temp protection starts to kick in earlier and earlier. It is very noticeable as the vape gets weaker and weaker, but if you switch it into wattage mode, it goes back to vaping fine.

Oh, FYI, of you check out the TCR thread here on ecf...you may see there is a newer TCR file out for SS316L that works much better then the steam engine one

 

[USMCotaku]

So I went to Vaptio's web site.....they don't have the S150 up yet, but they do have another mod on the site that uses the "ATC" tech....and it looks like they use a 510 connector with 3 pins.....

The third pin to interface with the chip inside the coil.....

But this other mod (the Ascension S50) seems to be able to use standard Ni wire as well.
I would bet the S150 will be the same. So it looks like it is either their proprietary coils, or Ni coils for temp control. Still no confirmation on this from any source, but if this is the case, I would like to see Vaptio do an update on the mod to accept Ti and especially SS wire in TC mode.

 

[jseah]

I will have one in hand by this weekend, so I will be able to test it out.

 

[jseah]

Thinking about it, while I don't think they would release it without the ability to use standard TC on wires like Ni, Ti, SS....if the proprietary temp sensor works well.....it wouldn't be a deal breaker for many even if it didn't use those other types. How many people have given up on TC because they just couldn't get it to work right? There are many vapers out there who don't want to bother with learning how to build for TC, who are more then happy to buy premade coils...favoring the "plug and play". If it only used the proprietary temp sensor coils, the failure or success of this mod will be in price and availability of the coils. Lots of tanks never take off, because finding coils isn't easy, for instance you have to go online to order, as they aren't carried in peoples local b&m's.

Really it will come down to price. The cheapest premade coils I buy are Atlantis-style or joyetech coils for the Cubis at around $2 per coil. The priciest runs around $4-$5 for the TFV4. If the sensor adds less than 50 cents or at most $1 per coil, I can see myself just going with the premade coils. If it adds $2 to the price of the coil, or doubles the price of the coil, then I don't see myself using it much.

The bigger concern is how much I would like the included tank. Regardless of how ground breaking the proprietary tech will be, it won't matter much if you hate using the tank that uses it.

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Anyone ever heard of Vaptio before?

Yes

It's manufactured by First Union, probably one of the largest if not
the largest e-cig manufacturer in China.

Agent Vaporizer Ecig Mods and Dry Herb Vaporizer Kits of Vaptio | FirstUnion

FirstUnion | Leading Wholesale Electronic Cigarette Factory & Supplier

If anyone wants to order one, Heaven Gifts appears to be the
only vendor advertising the kit at the moment.

Vaptio S150 Accurate Temperature Control Kit



Currently testing the mod/tank combo out and will post more
findings/observations as my use time progresses.

The mod works fine with a Subtank Mini @ approx 1ohm 26ga
Kanthal A1 in wattage mode if anyone is concerned with tank
compatibility.

Pardon the crappy pic.

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Here are some pics of the ATC coil (Standard coil has no pin at the bottom)

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Some pics of the Vaptio S150's tank base

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Pics of Top/Botton of S150 Mod

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Re: TC and Wire types

Here's a page out of the manual with a bit of info

 

[jseah]

Just got one in the mail today and putting it through its paces now. First impressions:

1. This is a very snazzy looking mod. The red accent stripe is very complimentary with the black color.
2. The draw is a tad bit restrictive, even with the airflow wide open. Still good for direct to lung hits, but not as airy as the other two tanks I'm currently using, the joyetech Cubis and the Freemax Scylla. If you open up the top airflow, then the draw becomes as airy as the other two tanks. Opening up the top airflow also helps to cool down the vape considerably since the drip tip is metal. Comparing the initial performance to those two tanks, the vapor production is lower (I suspect that the coil hasn't broken in yet since I've literally used it for the first time 15 minutes ago), but the flavor is incredible. I'm using the same juice in both the Cubis and this tank, and the flavor in the Cubis is much more muted by comparison.
3. The tank is top fill, with the fill hole hidden under a swing out flap. The fill hole is fairly large, so even with a twist open tip on the juice bottle, it is easy to fill without making a huge mess.
4. The mod supports temp control in ATC (this is their proprietary coil in their tank which has a separate pin in the center of the positive pin), and will support temp control in other tanks with Ni, Ti, or SS. I can't find any mention of what kind of SS wire it supports, but my guess is that it is SS316, which is the common SS temp control wire today.
5. The mod is very ergonomic, with one side rounded and the other side squared off. The sides does have a very slight bulge to it, giving it a comfortable rounded feeling.
6. The paint has a matte finish to it, so it hides fingerprints very well. While a gloss finish does make a mod pop, you have to constantly wipe it down. I prefer the matte finish.
7. I have only tried it so far with the ATC tank. The tank is very quiet, with a quiet sizzle when the juice is vaporized. If I had to come up with a complaint about the tank, it is the size. It is pretty small, with only a 3 ml juice capacity.
8. Every once in a while, pressing the fire button, or in the middle of a vape, the "sizzle" goes away, so it seems like the mod is not firing. I'm not really sure as yet if it isn't firing, or if the temp protection has kicked in. EDIT: I'm pretty sure it is the temp protection kicking in. I was chain vaping and the tank itself was getting pretty warm to the touch.
9. The OLED screen is pretty sharp, although the wattage (when in TC mode) and the resistance display is really small, so it is hard to read if you need reading glasses like I do.

 

[jseah]

In TC mode, all you do is set your temperature. No setting of the wattage is necessary. This is different from many other TC mods. With other TC mods, you set the wattage and it fires in that wattage until it hits the set temperature and then the mod starts cutting the power. With this mod in TC mode, when you press the fire button, the mod increases the power being sent to the atomizer until the set temperature is reached, and then the power drops.

I just tried the mod with my trusty Atlantis 2 with a 0.15 ohm Ni coil. Pressing the fire button and you can see the power quickly climb, topping out at 39.4 watts, fluctuating there with an occasional drop to around 29 watts. As I kept firing (without vaping), the wattage then started dropping more, down to 20 watts, then down to 10 watts.

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Although I've had this kit in hand for 24hrs+, I'm going to hold
off a little while longer before sharing my observations. In the
interim, I've snatched some pro shots to post.

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Just got one in the mail today and putting it through its paces now. First impressions:

2. The draw is a tad bit restrictive, even with the airflow wide open. Still good for direct to lung hits, but not as airy as the other two tanks I'm currently using, the joyetech Cubis and the Freemax Scylla. If you open up the top airflow, then the draw becomes as airy as the other two tanks. Opening up the top airflow also helps to cool down the vape considerably since the drip tip is metal. Comparing the initial performance to those two tanks, the vapor production is lower (I suspect that the coil hasn't broken in yet since I've literally used it for the first time 15 minutes ago), but the flavor is incredible. I'm using the same juice in both the Cubis and this tank, and the flavor in the Cubis is much more muted by comparison.

It has to be the anti-spitback screen on the ATC/TC coil restricting the airflow.
I've set that coil aside for dissection.

Currently have the standard Kanthal coil installed. No anti-spitback screen
and the difference in airflow is night and day.

 

[jseah]

It has to be the anti-spitback screen on the ATC/TC coil restricting the airflow.
I've set that coil aside for dissection.

Currently have the standard Kanthal coil installed. No anti-spitback screen
and the difference in airflow is night and day.

The ATC/TC coil stopped working for me. Previously I was reporting how it kept cutting off my vape and sometimes it felt like it wasn't firing. Turns out that it was the sensor in the ATC coil. I had set the mod aside for dinner, etc. When I went back to vape on it again about an hour ago, I pressed the fire button and the mod switched into wattage mode. Switched it back into ATC mode, pressed the fire button and got an error message "No ATC" on the screen and then the mod switched back into wattage mode. Removed the tank, put it back on and same thing. At least the coil will still work fine in wattage mode.

I also tested it using the Cubis atomizer with the SS316 coil. The SS mode definitely isn't calibrated for SS316. With the TC set for SS, the temperature set for 500 degrees, pressing the fire button on the mod and the wattage climbs to 2 watts, and then fluctuates between 1 and 2 watts.

Put the ATC tank back on, and it vaped ok in ATC mode once. On the second vape, it kicked into wattage mode.

Without a second ATC coil available, I can't say if I just have a bum coil, or if the whole ATC thing is just not ready for prime time yet.

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

The ATC/TC coil stopped working for me. Previously I was reporting how it kept cutting off my vape and sometimes it felt like it wasn't firing. Turns out that it was the sensor in the ATC coil. I had set the mod aside for dinner, etc. When I went back to vape on it again about an hour ago, I pressed the fire button and the mod switched into wattage mode. Switched it back into ATC mode, pressed the fire button and got an error message "No ATC" on the screen and then the mod switched back into wattage mode. Removed the tank, put it back on and same thing. At least the coil will still work fine in wattage mode.

I also tested it using the Cubis atomizer with the SS316 coil. The SS mode definitely isn't calibrated for SS316. With the TC set for SS, the temperature set for 500 degrees, pressing the fire button on the mod and the wattage climbs to 2 watts, and then fluctuates between 1 and 2 watts.

Put the ATC tank back on, and it vaped ok in ATC mode once. On the second vape, it kicked into wattage mode.

Without a second ATC coil available, I can't say if I just have a bum coil, or if the whole ATC thing is just not ready for prime time yet.

You have to be really careful with the ATC coil. One of the coil legs is soldered to
a very fine 1.5cm sliver of covered copper wire that has contact with the
inner/bottom section of the coil. Pull or twist on the bottom exterior section of the
coil and you've got problems.