Variable Voltage Mod History Wanted

[Gummy Bear]

Well now I am faced with a task of replying to something that I seem to have just stumbled into by accident.
I must say that I was until today unaware of all of this patent procedures. However after having now read a 44 page closed thread, I have some mixed emotions and don't exactly know what to say about it.

1st: I do see some valid points posted by all parties.
2nd: I do object to a lot of things said by all parties.

Above all I believe that the right thing is not always the same as the legal thing.
(I prefer to do the right thing)

Do I object to Buzz applying for a patent for his buzz products?
Not at all. nor do I object to patents being given to him, or to the Darwin, or ProVape, Or fistpak, and on and on, based on their design that makes them uniquely their own brand. A ford is a ford,,, a chev is a chev.

What I do object to is the attempt to encompass ALL vv products being sold into a patent that should be reserved to just what makes a buzz a buzz.
I do believe that VV was already in public domain. or is exploited under the license that comes with a VV chip from T.I. to use it for re-sale in ones own package. The only thing that should be patented is the design of the package that it is put in.

Now for the part that Frizzed me off to no end was being threatened with legal action!!! That's worse than pulling a gun on me in my book. And threatened was exactly what Buzz did when he said that modders have nothing at all to worry about, UNLESS THEY TRY TO SELL SOMETHING. makes me want to go out and sell some "Gummy mods", God knows I get asked often enough.


If I go into the biz of building Buzzs then by all means, take me to task, But if I decide to start selling Gummy mods that are my design. The free market will decide if I stay in biz or not. but to have some lawyer come in and try to strong arm me for some of my money is no different than paying the mob protection money.

So let me just cut right to the chase. I get the message.
The ProVari and Darwin are selling like hotcakes, and well, the buzz is selling.

It seems to me simple enough, Buzz wants to strong arm those guys to get some of their money, Not me Because Gummys just doesn't have enough to fool with. But those guys do. Provape sold over 4000 units in the first two month and there is still a two month wait for one. That is surely enough money to make them a big target. only instead of using a gun,,, a Lawyer will to the deed.

I do apologize to retird for thinking he started this thread to help propel the patent. I see now that he did not. He seems to be one that would rather do what is RIGHT.

And while I never wanted to be dragged into a bucket of it does seem that I have surely stepped into it.
I just don't like being threatened.

 

[tybin]

how about we start a separate thread for this and leave retird his thread for the history.... i do like your points tho gummy but i'm guilty as well for getting off the original topic, and for that i apologize

 

[Gummy Bear]

Well there was a thread but, it is now closed and there are no two ways about it this thread is ALL about that.
But as I said I respect retired. and will just sit down over here in the corner and shut up. I said my piece, I'm done anyway.

 

[BuzzKill]

Well now I am faced with a task of replying to something that I seem to have just stumbled into by accident.
I must say that I was until today unaware of all of this patent procedures. However after having now read a 44 page closed thread, I have some mixed emotions and don't exactly know what to say about it.

1st: I do see some valid points posted by all parties.
2nd: I do object to a lot of things said by all parties.

Above all I believe that the right thing is not always the same as the legal thing.
(I prefer to do the right thing)

Do I object to Buzz applying for a patent for his buzz products?
Not at all. nor do I object to patents being given to him, or to the Darwin, or ProVape, Or fistpak, and on and on, based on their design that makes them uniquely their own brand. A ford is a ford,,, a chev is a chev.

What I do object to is the attempt to encompass ALL vv products being sold into a patent that should be reserved to just what makes a buzz a buzz.
I do believe that VV was already in public domain. or is exploited under the license that comes with a VV chip from T.I. to use it for re-sale in ones own package. The only thing that should be patented is the design of the package that it is put in.

Now for the part that Frizzed me off to no end was being threatened with legal action!!! That's worse than pulling a gun on me in my book. And threatened was exactly what Buzz did when he said that modders have nothing at all to worry about, UNLESS THEY TRY TO SELL SOMETHING. makes me want to go out and sell some "Gummy Mods", God knows I get asked often enough.


If I go into the biz of building Buzzs then by all means, take me to task, But if I decide to start selling Gummy mods that are my design. The free market will decide if I stay in biz or not. but to have some lawyer come in and try to strong arm me for some of my money is no different than paying the mob protection money.

So let me just cut right to the chase. I get the message.
The ProVari and Darwin are selling like hotcakes, and well, the buzz is selling.

It seems to me simple enough, Buzz wants to strong arm those guys to get some of their money, Not me Because Gummys just doesn't have enough to fool with. But those guys do. Provape sold over 4000 units in the first two month and there is still a two month wait for one. That is surely enough money to make them a big target. only instead of using a gun,,, a Lawyer will to the deed.

I do apologize to retird for thinking he started this thread to help propel the patent. I see now that he did not. He seems to be one that would rather do what is RIGHT.

And while I never wanted to be dragged into a bucket of it does seem that I have surely stepped into it.
I just don't like being threatened.

Ok well I did not want to step into this .... pile again either , the main thing is this , the patent process and what it takes to make a claim in a patent is based on MANY things ( we do not have the time to go into all of them , besides it is so complicated I refrain from answering these types of questions because I would have to research each one , that is why I use a patent attorney )

My attorney and myself have looked at this VERY closely , the actual filing date is what you guys do NOT SEE ! it is way before the application date.

The Patent office makes the determination as to whether it gets assigned .

We made the first commercially available VV device on the market , all of the other devices are based on that core design ( there are variations and they are covered in the application , suck as Buck ./ Boost controllers etc, )

I do not recall threatening you or anybody else , I did however respond to a question that got turned into a threat.

This will play out on a case by case basis IF the patent issues .

The reason for informing other MFG;s of this application is that it sets the notice date in STONE , I have NOT DONE THIS YET !

I could have kept this silent to the public , I did not do that , maybe that was a bad idea maybe not ?? we will see.

It is a very complicated technical process , it you do not understand it it can be confusing , determining if a product is in violation is a process as well . But NON of this matters if the application is refused.

 

[Gummy Bear]

Well I was done. but,,,,
I could go back through the 44 page thread and pull 2 posts that I did take as a threat, but I'm sure you remember them. They are the crux of my posting. You said (not a quote) that modders have nothing at all to worry about, UNLESS THEY TRY TO SELL SOMETHING.

That sir is a threat. I would have much rather that you threaten me with the gun than a lawyer tho.

I may (or may not) decide to sell something in the future, It may (or may not) be VV. I refuse to pay anything to anyone other than the vendors for their parts. That's it, simple.

 

[Akya2120]

Who else thinks it's kinda ridiculous for someone to limit creativity? I'm sorry but a tube is a tube. So now a tube can't look a certain way because Mr Buzzetti has a patent on it? I think that is a pretty lame move. I think the only part that should be patented is the way that the electronics work. That way someone can't just look at the pcb and say ok we can make this in our tube with the same components. WHY would you patent tube mods!?!?! I don't get why you would limit every other company from having a tube shaped E cig... Good for you the buzz was the first comercially available VV E cig Mike. It is definitely not the best and you are limiting people from making their dream product by patenting yours the way you did.

 

[Gummy Bear]

I think you have it a bit backwards. He is patenting the electronics. Just in doing so he wants to take a slice of the money for ALL VV mods made.

 

[BuzzKill]

Well I was done. but,,,,
I could go back through the 44 page thread and pull 2 posts that I did take as a threat, but I'm sure you remember them. They are the crux of my posting. You said (not a quote) that modders have nothing at all to worry about, UNLESS THEY TRY TO SELL SOMETHING.

That sir is a threat. I would have much rather that you threaten me with the gun than a lawyer tho.

I may (or may not) decide to sell something in the future, It may (or may not) be VV. I refuse to pay anything to anyone other than the vendors for their parts. That's it, simple.

I should have stated " Unless you go into business to make them, " that would be a more accurate statement.

Look this is how patents work , you may not like it ??? that is your choice , I can tell from your response that you don't .

So if you were copying a Iphone and Apple came after you you would just tell them to FO ??

How about if Ruyan enforced the patent they hold on the Ecig in the USA and you were a MFG of mods , would you just tell them to FO as well ??

See my point ? this is how it works , sorry guys but this industry is growing up , this is part of the growth curve , it happens in every industry out there .

 

[BuzzKill]

Who else thinks it's kinda ridiculous for someone to limit creativity? I'm sorry but a tube is a tube. So now a tube can't look a certain way because Mr Buzzetti has a patent on it? I think that is a pretty lame move. I think the only part that should be patented is the way that the electronics work. That way someone can't just look at the pcb and say ok we can make this in our tube with the same components. WHY would you patent tube mods!?!?! I don't get why you would limit every other company from having a tube shaped E cig... Good for you the buzz was the first comercially available VV E cig Mike. It is definitely not the best and you are limiting people from making their dream product by patenting yours the way you did.

If you read the patent closely you will see that it really only covers VV NOT the tube , the tube was used as an example enclosure .

 

[BuzzKill]

I think you have it a bit backwards. He is patenting the electronics. Just in doing so he wants to take a slice of the money for ALL VV mods made.

AND we did the work , we made the design , we brought it to market , we developed and whole section of e-cig types .

I respect your views BUT they are Hobbyist views , this is a business .

 

[PKZap27]

I could have kept this silent to the public , I did not do that , maybe that was a bad idea maybe not ?? we will see.

IMHO, you should have!

It was in bad taste for you to announce this on the ECF. A more professional way of handling this would have been behind the public’s eyes meaning not on the ECF. This would allow the possible vendors involved to respond and handle this in a professional manner. All that was accomplished by bringing this issue to the ECF was to upset a lot of people unnecessarily and to turn a lot of people off of your product. This may be wrong on their part for lack of understanding; however you will have to deal with the end result.



Edit to add;

Then you return to this thread and start the same thing over again!

Be a professional and handle it like a professional!

 

[Gotcoffee]

I thought the precious L was the first VV Ecig?

variable power based on touch surface

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

Uggh out of respect for Retired ppl lets get back on topic and not get this thread closed...

and Uhh Buzzkill you made YOUR product...but legalities aside I have researched enough to know you were NOT the first to use the pot and that info WAS open sourced on a forum hence me being able to find it and read all the details...I do not know all the ramifications of that fact but on that alone (not counting your current behavior stirring up things instead of being professional and ignoring the disturbance your announcement has caused)I have reconsidered my opinion...

as probably will many others...

As with regards to the History of VV thread I hope it continues but I have now also reconsidered any further posts to this thread...as I will not do your(Buzzkills) work for you...
I see no other reason for you to monitor this thread so closely.....

My apologies to Retired someone else will find what I have seen it is there if looked for....

 

[BuzzKill]

IMHO, you should have!

It was in bad taste for you to announce this on the ECF. A more professional way of handling this would have been behind the public’s eyes meaning not on the ECF. This would allow the possible vendors involved to respond and handle this in a professional manner. All that was accomplished by bringing this issue to the ECF was to upset a lot of people unnecessarily and to turn a lot of people off of your product. This may be wrong on their part for lack of understanding; however you will have to deal with the end result.



Edit to add;

Then you return to this thread and start the same thing over again!

Be a professional and handle it like a professional!

I believe I have handled it professionally , there was another company that applied for a patent and just sent out form letters this cause a huge .... storm because he did not disclose it , the backlash from that was WAY WORSE than this .

There is a VERY GOOD reason why I made this public ( In fact it was originally disclosed on my ECF forum not the general public forum ! )

The copying and just blatant stealing between companies around here has gotten to a ridiculous point ! there are even competing Mods with the SAME NAME !

IMO this BS needs to stop , I do not see you guys slamming them , ( Just part of the business ) we are NOT CHINA here , we should not act like them .

I made this public for that reason , I wanted these other companies to be put on notice that while most others will tolerate that type of business model we will NOT !

Nuff said , I will leave this post to the OP's starting point.

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[Gotcoffee]

I thought the precious L was the first VV Ecig?

variable power based on touch surface

YouTube - ecigro's Channel 2/17/10

 

[MasterofChaos]

I will not do your(Buzzkills) work for you...[/B]
I see no other reason for you to monitor this thread so closely.....

Another reason is that he's someone who's not nearly as secure in his position as he claims to be.

 

[Gummy Bear]

IMO this BS needs to stop , I do not see you guys slamming them , ( Just part of the business )~~

We guys are not slamming them because they are not trying to get a patent on the wheel like your are attempting to do.
No one would object to you getting a patent on YOUR stuff. we are objecting to your blatant desire to strong arm every one for hush money, well sir that will be your down fall. along with the modders section, I know I will never post another new idea here.

If you want to hire lawyers to follow me around to see what I am selling,, well sir you will die broker than I am. And as I said your lawyer will be driving a new BMW every year ,, till you run out of money that is. Your lawyers will "Steal" far more money from you than your competition ever would.