Vcore - vertical micro coil in oddy/kayfun/Russian/Ithaca/ect.

[dice57]

I shudder when I think of trying that, not that I couldn't, but building a pt just seems to be a waste, yeah know it's can be done, but it's a waste of my building skills, when other great rba's keep calling my name.

Nice job though, just kind of scares me, truth be known.

 

[TDC123]

Well I'm running out of time and won't be able to unwick the atty head and take pics of the coil but I do have some pics for you.

Here is a PT2 atomizer head beside a PT3 atomizer head. Notice the area that houses the wick is much taller. I thought for sure the atomizer would leak and gurgle but it did not. I'll explain why I THINK it's not leaking further down.



Here is the atomizer head with chimney off and the top wick that portion that I used to fill the gap between the wick and the chimney folded down. I thought it might help to see how far up into the wick slots the top wick rests.



Take a close look at this side view. I didn't leave the top wick laying flat in the channels designed for it to rest in. Rather I folded them up just a bit into the open air gap between the wick/coil and the chimney. I have the silicone ring off in this pic but even when it is on there is a large gap. The remaining gap you see in this pic is covered by the silicone chimney ring when it is on the atomizer head.



Here is the atomizer head side view with the top wick removed.

 

[TDC123]

Now to the top view. First is the view from above with the top wick in place.



Here is a pic of the top wick itself. Trust me when I say that I used a very wispy and tiny amount of cotton to make the top wick. I'm shocked at how much it swelled but I am learning that once the cotton saturates with juice it really swells. I was very skeptical it would work at all and expected to need to add more to the top wick.



Top view minus the wick.



Another view of the coil as it protrudes from the cotton packed in below the top wick.



Now I get to do some chores and hope my authentic Russian 91 makes it in the mail today.

 

[TDC123]

I switched out the juice and with some 80/20 pg/vg I get a little popping on my draw, not quite a gurgle. I like high ratio vg juices though and this "Thug Juice" was included as a freebie with an order from Mt Baker Vapor. I'm not changing my setup for that juice. I suspect it will lessen the pleasant experience I get from this vertical coil with my go to high vg ratio liquids in my MPT3. There was a nice difference too. It was much better than the factory coils and also better than the dual micro coil build I did for this tank. Vapor was about the same but taste really improved. Building dual coils in a tiny protank head is doable but time consuming. I like this much better.

 

[JeremyR]

Oh sweet tdc with a Russian on the way your all set to go vertical in that! Much easier too!

Cool you got it to work for you. You didn't mention what gauge/wraps/ohms... I was thinking a long micro coil would work well in there. A longer positive leg with the coil starting at the bottom of the wick channels and extending almost to the top of the channel where it starts to flare. Like a 12-14 wrap or so. What gauge wire do you have and what kind of mod?

 

[TDC123]

That was 30 guage, 14 wraps to hit my target of 2 ohms. I don't know why but in my two mini protanks I don't like the vapor with a lower ohm coil. Possibly it gets too hot for me in that tiny space. Like you, I wanted a long coil but this coil was MAYBE a 1/4 inch long. I'm honestly surprised it's worked so well but I'm still vaping on it. When the 28 guage Kanthal comes in I'm going to build it again.

Right now I'm vaping on my itaste SVD. I'm tightwad to a degree and this unit has gotten some great reviews for it's price point. My Hcigar nemesis clone and my Igo W are staring at me wondering when I'm going to use them. I've got some good batteries here but I'm waiting on my higher amp Sony's to get here so I can start my venture into mechs with a sub ohm coil worry free. Maybe not way low but below and ohm anyway.

I read, and read and read some more about kayfuns, clones over and over again. I wanted the adjustable air flow and didn't want it on the bottom. I didn't want any trouble out of the unit. I know some of the clones are good but I want a quality, high capacity unit to load up and take to work during the day. The Kangers are usable with some effort with the coils, air valves and the right juice but on the minis the tank is small. You really gotta do your own work on them to get them usable. Even those air valves have to be drilled out and more holes added. I wasn't getting a larger Kanger. As for Ego batteries...I've had it with them. Even the 1300mah Vision Spinner doesn't last me very long. I vap a lot and had to drop my nic content to 6 to avoid over doing it.

I can't wait to get that Russian. Maybe today. Should I start with the vertical on it or maybe it would be better to try horizontal first so I can appreciate the improvement?

 

[dice57]

TDC, let the building Begin!!! I'm thinking after 1st successful built Russian, you'll be kicking yourself for wasting your skills on a changeable atty, lmao

2 major tips for successful wicking on the Russian, after you have the wick positioned and good to go, fold the tails of the wick straight up to secure the containment ring, once tight, then tuck the tails into the juice track. Otherwise it's to easy for fibers to get caught in the treads and clogging the juice channels, and, well, forgot the 2nd thing, so will just stick with the one. lmao. Something about wick density and some such nonsense.

 

[TDC123]

I've only been vaping again for a little over a month. I gave it a stubborn effort a few years ago but I did not like the pass throughs and rechargable cartomizer type devices at all. I haven't even thought about an analog this time though. To me the clearomizers were a huge uprade and I like to tinker so it was a nice fit. However I quickly reached the end as far as how far I could go with them. Knowing there were better options out there I'm moving on. My Russian did come in today. I did a quick horizontal 2.3 ohm coil and it was kicking .... until I got a pretty dry hit. I may have overfilled it. I filled from the bottom until juice was coming out of the fill port. Easing the top cap off a bit let huge bubble up from the bottom and it hasn't happened again. I may try a vetical on it tomorrow if I can squeeze out the time.

Unforunately I intentionally kept the wick out of the juice channels when wicking it for some reason but I did pull the wick up through that chimney ring like you mentioned.

Live and learn.

 

[JeremyR]

Dreaded vapor lock man, gets you every time it happens, some attys more than others... Rock the H for a while if its working good, to get a feel for it. Then hit it with the V.

 

[TDC123]

I just finished my first vertical coild build on the Russian. Well, I have the coil mounted and I bot a quick pic I will add in a bit. It came out to 2.4 ohms. I wish that 28 guage Kanthal would get here. Now I'm off to the beginning of this thread to see how you guys have been wicking the verticals.

I was going to have to rewick it anyway. I ordered some of the Boba's Bounty. I've only had it a day or two and the only thing I can taste is prune/raisin and tobacco. It's ok but I hope it changes with some steep time like people say it does. I want that rasisin/prune flavor out of my Russian.

 

[TDC123]

I'm sure you have seen one of these before.



Not the prettiest coil I guess but it works well. It heats from the middle out like it is supposed to anyway.



After wrapping the coil itself with a rather thin layer of cotton.

 

[TDC123]

I did a prime/presoak on the coil wrap and the wick layer I added just to keep it all in place.







It's working well and is an improvement over the horizontal coil. Flavor is much improved and it's really not much harder than building a horizontal coil. I started with nice sharp bends in the coil legs but ended up with what you see above after manipulating it a bit. Lesson learned for when I rebuild the coil next time. I'm open to input if you guys see room for improvement with my build. Oh wow, I just took a nice long deep lung hit and almost choked, not from it being dry but just the sheer volume of vapor. This is nice. My throat and lungs are also just a touch irritated from debuting my nemesies and my Igo-w last night into my lineup. It was so harsh but drilling the Igo-w out this morning to 1/16' made a huge difference.

 

[JeremyR]

Just saw your new post, it's looking really good man I like how you did a partial pack on it.

After start hitting it. If you get a dry hit taste just open up and readjust the cotton. Many times after a new wicking the cotton collapses and falls away from the coil enough that the coils dry. The one I wicked the other day I had to keep adding and adjusting the hemp about 4 times, them it was great and it will go for a couple weeks.

Oh yeah more air really wakes up the vape.

 

[dice57]

Here's some pics of my latest build on the Magma. Vertical mounted twisted 28 @ 0.45 ohms, Ramie Fiber wick. Fraking awesome vape, great rda.

I used a ~16 guage mandrel from the Artesian wire winder thingy, and used the 16 gauge blunt tip needles to facilitate mounting and positioning coils into vertical position while locking down the coil leads. Just slid the coil leads in holes, tightened the screws slightly to put slight tension on wire, then rotated the coils to vertical and then sliding the needles into the air holes. Tightened down securely, pulsed and wicked.

I used the negative coil lead from the bottom of both coils, to ensure no grounding out. But it made wicking a major pita. But got it. Next wicking going to rotate one coil 180 to make the wicking process easier. Used one strand of Ramie to wrap around both coils, but weaving it around was a beatch so going to reposition one coil.

Will enjoy the current build for a few days then going to do the exact same build but using triple twisted 28, that should get me down to the 0.2-0.3 ohm range. But for now am enjoying one fraking awesome vape.

Did measure my reservoir fill, took a bit over 1.5 ml of juice, so Magma seems more of a streamer or laker and not a dripper Glad I got this rba, great addition to the collection.

Thought I'd share here too!!

Vape long and Prosper!!!

 

[JeremyR]

Nice dice! ... That reservoir looks like a volcanic crater lake down there. It would seem to be modeled after lake nyos, google it. Similar shape in some photos.

 

[dice57]

Yeah, that's why I bought it, more of a volcanic lava pit than a dripper. The Magma screams VERTICALize me.!!!

Hmm, similar to nyos but thinking more like Crater Lake!! lmao

 

[TDC123]

Wow Dice, that is some nice work. I love building coils but you guys are way ahead of me. And that Magma is a wicked looking device.

 

[dice57]

Thanks TDC. When I first saw the Magma, I'm going, man I love everything about it, but I don't do drippers!! But kept going back to it and looking it over and over again. Then decided to get it, my only excuse is, well the Volcanic Crater lake holds like 1.5-2 ml of juice, and that's like, as much as those damn clearos use, so it's not really a dripper, right? lmao.

Fraking great vape, and love the huge air intakes, this sucker is going to be able to go massively high watts!! Can't wait for my SuperMax to arrive, know Magma will handle 70 watts no problem, but want to see if she can handle Max's max output of 96 watts when in VV mode. Think Max plays "Smoke on the Water" when switching from VW to VV, then HeMans "I have to Power" when switching to VV. That just so much cracks me up.

Go through juice like no tomorrow at 0.45 ohms, can't imagine how fast she'll vape a lake full at 70 or 96 watts. Good thing I mix DIY juice.

 

[JeremyR]

Diy is the only way to go with these juice hogs. Otherwise you'd vape yourself out of house & home. Lol.

 

[dice57]

No chit Vape Man, drained Crater Lake dry twice since I got home from work. lol and it's not the only rba that I've been vaping on.