Vendors with genuine 510 hardware.

[AGNES PEACOCK]

Thank you Surf Monkey:

I consider what you are doing to be on the page of consumer advocative. We as a consumer group were not made aware of a large change to atomizers. We don't have any tried and true long range usage comparisons yet. So, in my opinion you are being helpful to the consumer. You would think everyone would be grateful to be made aware of a difference and want to know if it will affect them. Only time will tell this for all of us.

We as a group have a large say as to what is manufactured by our combined purchasing power. We also want to purchase the product that will give us the longest term usage, with the fewest problems, for the best price, etc., etc.... And we would like to reccomend something trust worthy to others.

I for one want to say thanks for your questioning. I am interested, as I reccomend the Dura-C, 510, Titan and Yeti to beginners and would feel really bad if they don't have a good experience. I am really hoping that it goes the other way and no one has a bad experience.

We just need to know, and be informed consumers. So thank you Surf Monkey!

Ok Grimm, what is that you are saying???

 

[Ridewithme38]

The PRoblem is calling a New PRoduct a knockoff without an proof of intent...it seems to be quite different....are the RN's a Knockoff of the DSE901's? Totallywicked sells RN atty's and advertises them as 901's is that not the same thing that is happening here?

Innovation comes in small steps...if a new company is sell a New version of a 510 Atty why are we upset about that??

Its great to make it known that some companies have the improved versions of the 510 atty's But i think to call them bootleg or Knockoffs is wrong

 

[Bunni]

I think Surf monkey's efforts are admirable as well. People should be able to purchase based on good information.

In any case, being able to identify one over another is a good thing just so one can make an informed decision.

I have 4 of the new atty's. They perform well for me. They leak with my older used carts, but new carts fit better. they will leak if you lay them down. I think it's because of that washer thing at the bottom. For dripping they're great as the bridge is higher. I don't see any difference as to how much dripped liquid they hold, compared with the actual 510 atty. InnoVapor does warranty their stuff, so I imagine if they aren't to people's liking they are returnable for exchange with the actual 510's they also have.

I recently received some Joye 510 atty's from Rocky Mountain Vapor, so add them to your list.

The real test for me will be what they do with my Prodigy when it arrives. I only have one new style atty in use, and will use another on the Prodigy, if it doesn't perform well, I may then ask to exchange them. We'll see.

 

[ProfessorDaffy]

just received a bunch of 510 stuff from heaven gifts and they appear to be "true" 510 as per your pics. Electronicstix sells true 510 parts also.

Ditto. I also heard you can tell a REAL 901 becuse it come with the fatter mouthpiece and there are serial number inside the batteries. Heaven Gifts (aka Ruyan Direct) seems to sell "genuine" 901 kits, too.

Now if they'll only start carrying the usb passthrough!

--Prof Daffy

 

[happily]

The PRoblem is calling a New PRoduct a knockoff without an proof of intent...it seems to be quite different....are the RN's a Knockoff of the DSE901's? Totallywicked sells RN atty's and advertises them as 901's is that not the same thing that is happening here?

Innovation comes in small steps...if a new company is sell a New version of a 510 Atty why are we upset about that??

Its great to make it known that some companies have the improved versions of the 510 atty's But i think to call them bootleg or Knockoffs is wrong

Let's try this in English............If it is not made by joyetech,,,,,,,pause,,,,,regroup,,,,,focus...IT IS NOT JOYETECH HARDWARE.

four weeks ago from ruyan............OEM atty's
today from healthcabin...........OEM atty's
7 weeks ago from eastmall.......OEM atty's
9 weeks ago for e-cig sales.........OEM atty's

 

[TheVapSter]

hey sulfmonkey What if these new attys are joye products and they are not owning up to it that my thought i could be wrong but i really dont think innovapor or eastmall would be posting that they are joye product if they were not!!! just think about eastmall is a pretty big pv carrier and disputor if you were dont you think you would know what you are buying and from who you are buying from if they sell real deal 510s the attys must be real deal do you think joye would let you sell there 510 with a fake atty NO way in hell
I dont know way joye would not claim them but i really think that they are joye atty like i said i could be wrong but tell some facts come out thats my opinion!!
I SMELL SOMETHING FISHY!!!

 

[Rose99]

No reason for flames. I've never made an evaluation about whether these variant atomizers are better or worse than Joye's. My issue with them is that they're being marketed as Joye hardware when, according to Joyetech, they're not. I don't have a problem with companies selling them. What I have a problem with is companies selling them as Joye hardware.

I totally agree with what you said Surf Monkey. I also have a problem with the fact that I have a 510 and when I order another 510 I EXPECT my 510 carts to fit, and from what I have been reading they don’t. I think this is very unfair and misleading to the consumer. If someone wants to develop a new product…GREAT….but give it another product name, don’t misrepresent it by piggy backing off a popular product. It is confusing enough trying to figure out what e-cig products are compatible with others.

I’m confused enough!!!

 

[TheVapSter]

Where the facts there not (happily)

 

[TheVapSter]

I agree i would like my 510 carts to fit too by all means
and they do the new atty with the new cart they fit!!

 

[Rose99]

The problem is I already have lots of cartridges for my 510 and they will not fit tight on the "new" 510. I just wish some vendors selling the "New" atomizer would be less confusing and let us poor confused customers know that the "New" atty's are slightly bigger in diameter and I can't tell on their web site if the carts they are selling fit the old or "New" atty. If it wasn't for this forum I would have ordered another 510 and then wondered why my carts didn't fit tight. I am not saying if the new atty's are good or bad I just want to know what I am getting. I think that is only fair.

 

[solonguniverse]

I have yet to see any direct message from Joye that said anything aside from the fact that YES they are making adjustments to their original atomizers and NO they don't agree with them being touted as much more durable. So, it is alright to call them Joye atomizers, just not "New and Improved!!!" I think its up to us to give them a try and see for ourselves.
This is the message I'm referring to:
http://www.joyetech.com/NewsView.Asp?id=43

Now, maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it seems to me that Joye just seems to be a little ...... at the way IV started their own claims about the atomizers.

 

[AGNES PEACOCK]

The PRoblem is calling a New PRoduct a knockoff without an proof of intent...it seems to be quite different....are the RN's a Knockoff of the DSE901's? Totallywicked sells RN atty's and advertises them as 901's is that not the same thing that is happening here?

Innovation comes in small steps...if a new company is sell a New version of a 510 Atty why are we upset about that??

Its great to make it known that some companies have the improved versions of the 510 atty's But i think to call them bootleg or Knockoffs is wrong

Sometimes, some just work better than others. I am sure Surf Monkey is not mentioning 901.Were we not taliking about the Dura-C, 510. Titan and Yeti. I trust and love the RN's better. They are the best with my Screwdriver. (but, that is tried and true). Isn't what you are mentioning kind of the same thing, we don't know yet.You could not possibly know yet with the alternatives of the Dura-C (first of it's kind), then the 501. Titan, and Yeti?

The RN, and 901 are a breed of their own and not compariable in my opionion. Though I love the RN with my Screwdriver.

No one is going to be upset if the the copy is better! We are just trying to find out if it is so. We need user experience here to find out. And, if it turns out different, we need to know that also.

 

[AGNES PEACOCK]

I have yet to see any direct message from Joye that said anything aside from the fact that YES they are making adjustments to their original atomizers and NO they don't agree with them being touted as much more durable. So, it is alright to call them Joye atomizers, just not "New and Improved!!!" I think its up to us to give them a try and see for ourselves.
This is the message I'm referring to:
Electronic Cigarette, E-Cigarette, Elektronische Zigarette, Cartridge, eZigar

Now, maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it seems to me that Joye just seems to be a little ...... at the way IV started their own claims about the atomizers.

Well, I saw the Tw thread, that was resolved. But the fact remains, spectulate as you will. Someone here could very well be selling these,
From a good source, read Ludo response here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/jantyusa/26521-where-can-i-get-janty-dura-c.html

Mind you we have all been warned, and I hope it is not the fact.

 

[woooozzaa]

Not sure if your still collecting the info but I'm up north, and canadian seller Happy Vapor is selling what you show as genuine product. Both black and silver version. Would be nice to have a list, even if its just reporting different models not superior ones .

 

[nikomoul]

Hi all,
o.k. I am so very impressed with our discussion on this thread. Everyone has expressed different opinions, and not one person has dissed another. Very happy to have found this forum. You all are great.

And I hope the attys i receive with my 510 from innovapor work well.
I will let you know if they are the skinny ones or the wide ones. And i will let you know if they work well or not so great.

Meanwhile, we don't know if knock-offs are being made or not. The investigation continues and i'm staying tuned.

 

[Surf Monkey]

hey sulfmonkey What if these new attys are joye products and they are not owning up to it that

This is what Joyetech told me directly after seeing the photos of the two atomizers:

The second new atomizer is not manufactured by us.

I have no idea why they'd lie about that.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I have yet to see any direct message from Joye that said anything aside from the fact that YES they are making adjustments to their original atomizers and NO they don't agree with them being touted as much more durable.

See the post directly above this one. Joye says that they did not manufacture the "new" atomizers.

 

[GrimmGreen]

Ok Grimm, what is that you are saying???

well PEACOCK ,

i was saying that i have two 510 atomizers from thesmokesafe.com that don't look like either of the pictures posted at the beginning of this thread. i'll try to take a picture of the inside of one of them when i get home from work. They have a thin gold band at the connection as opposed to the thick TITAN style band.

they vape great , i have no idea if they are "true" joye atomizers or not... but they do vape great... and i will agree that i kind of like the RN atomizers better than the "true" 901 atomizers lately

 

[Surf Monkey]

They have a thin gold band at the connection as opposed to the thick TITAN style band.

The band size isn't an indicator. There are thin band and wide band configurations out of Joyetech. In wide band there are white, black, gold and red versions sold as Titan, Yeti, Scorpion and etc.. There are also full metallic stainless, titanium and copper versions and some that come in colors like purple and blue. The main differences are in the bridge, the washer and the barrel diameter.

 

[Talen]

I have 4 of the supposed new and improved model atomizers and personally I could give a rats ... less who makes them. In my estimation they vape much better than the original atomizers I got with the equipment the only niggle is a larger diameter barrel and to be honest I haven't been bothered by it.

Who exactly was contacted or talked to at Joye...what is their position at the company and are they willing to put in writing that this is not their product?

Someone very well may be saying it isn't theirs and for all we know they may be the night janitor at the company. I would think if this were true Joye would want to clear this up immediately and yet they haven't.

Either way I'm ordering some more just in case because I like em...