Venezuela declares war on the electronic cigarette

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Bill Godshall

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[h=1]Venezuela le declara la guerra al cigarrillo electrónico
Venezuela le declara la guerra al cigarrillo electrónico

El Gobierno de Venezuela ha amenazado con sancionar con multas de hasta 8.400 dólares a quienes distribuyan o promocionen el denominado cigarrillo electrónico, prohibido en el país por no tener los permisos ni los registros sanitarios correspondientes.

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Venezuela declares war on the Electronic Cigarette

The Government of Venezuela has threatened fines of up to $ 8,400 for those who distribute or promote the so-called electronic cigarettes banned in the country for not having permits or corresponding health records.
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I live here, btw, the prez is not dictator (though he wants to be), most he's bat..... insane, he is dying of cancer though

Anyhow, it was the country's equivalent to the FDA that stepped up on a ban from last year after finding higher dosis of nicotine than described on some of the products (dunno if those where chinese eliquids or what)

Norway, Australia, Austria, Mexico, Argentina, Canada (products with nicotine at least), etc. The country is just one more on the list

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there is no fine or punishment for use here in Venezuela, just for sale and promotion
The gov asked consumers not to support the product, but its use is not illegal

I go around all the time in public with my provari and have no problems
And bring juices by the liters through customs without any hiccups

I just feel people are just exaggerating a bit
 

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there is no fine or punishment for use here in Venezuela, just for sale and promotion
The gov asked consumers not to support the product, but its use is not illegal

I go around all the time in public with my provari and have no problems
And bring juices by the liters through customs without any hiccups

I just feel people are just exaggerating a bit
I am just astonished that Venezuela would copy ANYTHING the U.S. Government would do!
 

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What are we copying exactly? Venezuela is not the first and I doubt will be the last country (developed or not) that bans the product.

I love vaping, DONT GET ME WRONG, took me out of smoking, but it's still a harmful product (maybe 10x or 100x LESS harmful than cigs, but it's still nicotine, a toxic and addictive substance) that should be somehow regulated.

In the USA it's legal to distribute, sell, promote and use ecigs
It's only the later which is not penalized here

In reality, any product intended for human consumption must be tested and approved before it's allowed to be sold from the get go.

People starting selling without permission and the product became VERY popular, even being sold over the counter most everywhere to most anyone (minors included). It was also being promoted as a smoking cessation device (a claim that must be proved first as it places the product into the health-related category)

As far as I know, your are on a gray zone until the FDA rules to control its use.
Wasn't New York going to ban its use just last year? PLEASE DO YOUR PART TO HELP STOP BANS!! - YouTube

Again, the ban here was for distribution and sale, but it's been so SINCE JUNE LAST YEAR
 

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I love vaping, DONT GET ME WRONG, took me out of smoking, but it's still a harmful product (maybe 10x or 100x LESS harmful than cigs, but it's still nicotine, a toxic and addictive substance) that should be somehow regulated.

I love water, drink about a gallon, sometimes gallon and a half so compare to the average water user I am a water addict. But even water will become harmful and toxic to your body when you consume it in enormous amout.

Moderation - thats a key.

According to some studies nicotine is mildly addictive if delivery method isn't a combustion.
 
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difference being that nothing lives without water?

again, i use it, i love it and vape about 5 to 6 ml a day

I just posted as it seemed to me that there was some misinfo as to what happened here with the ban

It wasn't an arbitrary one, our process requires that anything being sold for human consumption be approved first

Ecigs were never tested/approved to begin with

Also, it seemed kind of dumb to just blame it on the 'dictator' as the first posters affirmed with Venezuela being just one more of the bunch of countries banning its sale
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Some bans / restrictions around the world:


Canada
A ban has been imposed on the import of electronic cigarettes and all related product
Electronic Cigarette's cannot be imported, advertised or sold.

Mexico
Illegal to import or sell

Australia
illegal to sell and / or market to the public

Austria
illegal to purchase

Belgium
illegal to purchase

Brazil
illegal to use or purchase

Denmark
illegal to purchase

Dubai
illegal to purchase

Finland
Cartridges containing nicotine are illegal to sell or to purchase with intent to sell but are not illegal to purchase from overseas sources for personal use.

Germany
Some states in Germany have viewed electronic cigarettes a medical prooduct. Some Customs Officers are stopping these products

United Kingdom
Ban Proposed and then Delayed for 18 month

Hong Kong
Illegal to purchase or use
Electronic Cigarette's contain nicotine and are classified as poisonous products. Purchase and use strictly prohibited.

Israel
illegal to import or sell

Jordan
illegal to import or sell

Malaysia
Legal to purchase or use with prescription
Electronic cigarettes are considered medical devices and can be purchased over the counter at a pharmacy with a prescription

Netherlands
Advertising of electronic cigarettes is not allowed

New Zealand
The Ministry of Health has ruled that cartridges containing nicotine fall under the requirements of the Medicines Act and cannot be sold except as a registered medicine.

Norway
illegal to import or sell

Singapore
Illegal to import or sell

Switzerland
Heavy Restrictions

Thailand
Illegal to use or import

Turkey
Illegal to use or import
 

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I love vaping, DONT GET ME WRONG, took me out of smoking, but it's still a harmful product (maybe 10x or 100x LESS harmful than cigs, but it's still nicotine, a toxic and addictive substance) that should be somehow regulated.

In the fall of 2010, the FDA held a public workshop on Risks and Benefits of Long-Term Use of Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) Products. Many scientists gave presentations. Dr. Neal Benowitz, who is considered one of the world's leading experts on Nicotine Safety and Toxicity (and authored/edited a book by the same name), noted that there is no existing research on long-term use of NRTs. So to provide information on nicotine safety, he looked to the decades of research that has been conducted on Swedish smokers who switched to snus, a type of spit-free moist tobacco product.

He found that nicotine does not cause or promote cancer, and that if there is any increased risk at all of cardiovascular disease, it is minimal. The only definitive harmful effect he could find in the literature is that nicotine can be problematic for pregnant women because the risks for pre-eclampsia and for pre-term birth are elevated (Relative risks of 1.58 and 1.98 respectively).

This is a link to the Benowitz presentation: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/NewsEvents/UCM232147.pdf

The CASAA web site contains a discussion of nicotine's beneficial effects and of the possible negative health consequences of nicotine abstinence.

Nicotine Effects

The Tobacco Harm Reduction Organization also provides an FAQ on nicotine. It includes a discussion regarding the controversy over whether or not nicotine is addictive.

FAQ: Nicotine (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

And here is another discussion of whether nicotine, per se, is addictive. Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University

Proof that nicotine does have beneficial effects lies in the fact that one company, Targacept, is developing treatments for attention deficit disorder, depression, anxiety, and even Alzheimers based on nicotine. http://www.targacept.com/wt/page/science

When nicotine is ingested orally, the body reacts by purging the contents of the stomach, thus minimizing toxic effects on the rest of the body. Poisoning fatalities from nicotine are extremely rare. Only one poisoning fatality of a child was found in a review of 27 years of reports from the National Poison Control Centers. In at case, the child had ingested cigarettes but also had Valium in his system. The Valium may have suppressed vomiting. Frequency and outcomes of accidental... [Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

The only nicotine poisoning fatalities of adults seem to involve the wearing of multiple nicotine patches.

Most vapers are alert to symptoms of too much nicotine which include dizziness and headache. When they've had too much nicotine, they stop.
 

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There has been an attempt to get nicotine seen as a some sort of alien or toxic chemical by the extensive use of propaganda, which has been highly successful.

In fact everyone tests positive for nicotine as it is a natural part of the diet. This is why tests for smokers have to have a certain level set above which the subject is regarded as being a smoker - since everyone tests positive. It would be harmful to health to try to remove nicotine from the diet since it is co-located with nicotinic acid, which can also be a metabolyte (vitamin B3, niacin).

Some people obviously need more than can be supplied by the diet and compensate by consuming more from other sources, as is common for various materials. Those who have found they benefit from niacin supplements would be obvious candidates here.

Consuming larger quantities of even the most basic nutrients can be every bit as 'toxic' as nicotine - vitamin D and iron being two examples. It's only the propaganda that has effectively made out nicotine to be different in some way. People repeating this type of junk science/propaganda are supporting the commercial interests who paid for this in the first place.

I'd bet you a million dollars I can give up for three months without a problem - I could stop vaping my 36mg nic tomorrow, and within two days would show no signs of dependence whatsoever, and certainly no risk of relapse. If you take the bet, you can have an inspector live and work with me and test as required. However I'd suffer reduced efficiency in the areas of memory, concentration and work efficiency (not to mention the pleasure factor), which is why I vape.

Of course nicotine is a poison, just like vitamin D. That is irrelevant to whether it is beneficial in non-fatal quantities.
 

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@rolygate, good for you man, i actually relapsed on my analog use after my two ego-t batteries died and had to wait until I could get ahold of a new PV (couple of weeks until I got a provari)

In MY case, being without analogs or vaping @ 24mg (36 on a couple of juices) I feel as I can't breathe

Now everyone is different, SOME (vast minority) of regular ex-smokers have been able to cold quit without relapse or use or ecgis/patches/etc, but is that the norm?

I have also seen a few posts here in the forum of vapers falling back to analogs when they are out of juice or devices.

Me? during my 16 years of smoking (@ 2 packs a day of menthol lucky strikes for the past few) I was ONLY ONCE been able to be without cigs for 6 months ---> and that was a alongside a VERY STRONG case of DEEEEP depression (EVERYTHING tasted like nothing and couldn't even eat). As soon as that was gone I went back to smoking

Hopefully within a year I'll be able to get it to 12 or even 0 mg. I don't, however, consider that I could quit nic and not have some serious performance issues right now.

Hey, you know what I (most of us for that matter) can live with or without with no issues? alcohol, should its use / sale / manufacturing be regulated? you bet
 

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There has been an attempt to get nicotine seen as a some sort of alien or toxic chemical by the extensive use of propaganda, which has been highly successful.

In fact everyone tests positive for nicotine as it is a natural part of the diet. This is why tests for smokers have to have a certain level set above which the subject is regarded as being a smoker - since everyone tests positive. It would be harmful to health to try to remove nicotine from the diet since it is co-located with nicotinic acid, which can also be a metabolyte (vitamin B3, niacin).

Some people obviously need more than can be supplied by the diet and compensate by consuming more from other sources, as is common for various materials. Those who have found they benefit from niacin supplements would be obvious candidates here.

Consuming larger quantities of even the most basic nutrients can be every bit as 'toxic' as nicotine - vitamin D and iron being two examples. It's only the propaganda that has effectively made out nicotine to be different in some way. People repeating this type of junk science/propaganda are supporting the commercial interests who paid for this in the first place.

I'd bet you a million dollars I can give up for three months without a problem - I could stop vaping my 36mg nic tomorrow, and within two days would show no signs of dependence whatsoever, and certainly no risk of relapse. If you take the bet, you can have an inspector live and work with me and test as required. However I'd suffer reduced efficiency in the areas of memory, concentration and work efficiency (not to mention the pleasure factor), which is why I vape.

Of course nicotine is a poison, just like vitamin D. That is irrelevant to whether it is beneficial in non-fatal quantities.

oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.jpg

What commercial interests are served by demonizing nicotine?

You mix truth with at best conjecture and wishful thinking.

I love the part where you say you're not dependent and yet admit that it would take 2 days before all you suffered was reduced "efficiency in the areas of memory, concentration and work efficiency (not to mention the pleasure factor)".

What you seem to be suggesting is that others could be even more productive if they used nicotine supplements.

You talk about junk science and then spew your own. Point to any peer-reviewed studies that back up your claims, please. And I don't mean short-term dosages. As you admit a dependence is built up and thus over the long-haul any returns are likely to diminish.

You shouldn't confuse nicotine with nicotinic acid (aka niacin).
 
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