VERY short-term breathlessness

[ppeeble]

Op - really good advice from everyone - match the nicotine to the device.
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When the TPD came into effect in Europe with the 20MG restriction on any vaping liquids everyone was up in arms about the draconian ruling (including me)...
Then you read a post like this one.
Save us from ourselves.

 

[DeloresRose]

Op - really good advice from everyone - match the nicotine to the device.
..................
When the TPD came into effect in Europe with the 20MG restriction on any vaping liquids everyone was up in arms about the draconian ruling (including me)...
Then you read a post like this one.
Save us from ourselves.

Agree, but what frustrates me is, all this info is here on ECF. Why would anyone not ask first if it’s okay to put the juice in that device?

When I first started vaping I was so confused about it. So glad I found the forum! I didn’t know my .... from a hole in the ground, but somebody knew what I needed to know. If a search didn’t turn up the info I was looking for, I just asked.

 

[stols001]

That is WAY too much nic salt for that setup. I don't think that's medical advice.

I vaped 12 mg in a sub0hm setup when I got here, I got horrible sx of nicotine overload including yes, some shortness of breath (to be fair, I was finishing up a bout of 18 months of pneumonia at the time,, LOL, but I did much better with 18 mg nic salts in MTL setups. AND I WAS a 3 ppd smoker, so I was PLENTY nicotine tolerant.

The problem with these high nic salt juices is you MUST tailor them to weaker delivery systems and it's very easy to get in trouble.

I wouldn't vape that AMOUNT of nic salts in anything dissimilar to a juul which has a SUPER weak delivery system, so DON'T do it. I have a hunch if you stop using nic salts (at least at that level) you'd be fine. 6--8 mg nicsalts would be more reasonable, although most folks going that low in nic don't need the lack of harshness that nic salts provide, whatsoever.

Good luck, please stop vaping that thing.

Anna

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

Hey guys...

Sorry for the vanishing act,I didn't get any notices off replies after the first two so I didn't realize the conversation was continuing.

It's 50mg/ml salts, the Kanger is at 2.8v,
.5 ohms, and I set it to somewhere between 12 and 17 watts.

I don't know if it's standard, but the ohms are set to the coil (single coil rba i built with the materials that came with the mod), I can set the wattage, and the volts seem to set themselves, unlike some of the cheaper things I have where it's the exact opposite - I can adjust volts but not wattage.

I don't really get any negative effects, I'm assuming because I keep the wattage low?

What are the salts supposed to be Vaped from? Just a pencil vape thing?

Thanks for the info. Obviously just learning.

 

[Myk]

Hey guys...

Sorry for the vanishing act,I didn't get any notices off replies after the first two so I didn't realize the conversation was continuing.

It's 50mg/ml salts, the Kanger is at 2.8v,
.5 ohms, and I set it to somewhere between 12 and 17 watts.

I don't know if it's standard, but the ohms are set to the coil (single coil rba i built with the materials that came with the mod), I can set the wattage, and the volts seem to set themselves, unlike some of the cheaper things I have where it's the exact opposite - I can adjust volts but not wattage.

I don't really get any negative effects, I'm assuming because I keep the wattage low?

What are the salts supposed to be Vaped from? Just a pencil vape thing?

Thanks for the info. Obviously just learning.

Yes a pencil type thing. I don't know what's in the modern ones but I imagine they're 1.2-1.5Ω and 3.5v. So probably about 8w. Slow to heat up and MTL so you don't get much.
I've heard there's almost no vapor from a Juul.

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

The juuls did me right for a good while, until o started expanding my horizons to other devices. They're easy, and the tobacco flavors are pleasant (I can't do the raspberry cotton candy unicorn milk BS).

When you try something more substantial, the juuls then seem like nothing, but my understanding is that the juice is 59mg/ml, do the nic delivery is probably comparable to a 12mg juice from a bigger device.

I find that regardless of the device, vaping has significantly increased my nicotine intake and dependence than cigarettes.

EDITED to fix typo. Used to say "dependence on cigarettes"

 

[Myk]

I find that regardless of the device, vaping has significantly increased my nicotine intake and dependence is cigarettes.

Dependence ON cigarettes?
That's very doubtful. It's possible you're dual using and keeping your dependence on cigarettes going is causing nicotine to make you want what is missing.
But studies show humans using nicotine WITHOUT cigarettes do not get dependent (look to diseases being studied with nicotine treatment studies). When have you ever heard of anyone being addicted to patches?

A lot of what people believe is what they're told to believe. Like those convinced they're "addicted" after they've had a few cigarettes. They were told that so they believe it and they become it.

Give up cigarettes for 100% vaping and in a year or two you'll be able to drop nicotine without a desire other than maybe flavor or some other purposeful use.

 

[Asbestos4004]

The juuls did me right for a good while, until o started expanding my horizons to other devices. They're easy, and the tobacco flavors are pleasant (I can't do the raspberry cotton candy unicorn milk BS).

When you try something more substantial, the juuls then seem like nothing, but my understanding is that the juice is 59mg/ml, do the nic delivery is probably comparable to a 12mg juice from a bigger device.

I find that regardless of the device, vaping has significantly increased my nicotine intake and dependence is cigarettes.

So, vaping makes you more dependent on cigarettes? Weird....vaping has made me completely free of them .

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

No, that was a typo.

It should have said "dependence THAN cigarettes."

I haven't had a traditional cigarette in probably 3 years. I had mostly quit, occasional cigarette or 4, then noticed that the frequency was increasing again and went to vaping instead. I switched first to logic ecigs, then juuls, now the stuff I'm taking about here.

 

[Myk]

No, that was a typo.

It should have said "dependence THAN cigarettes."

I haven't had a traditional cigarette in probably 3 years. I had mostly quit, occasional cigarette or 4, then noticed that the frequency was increasing again and went to vaping instead. I switched first to logic ecigs, then juuls, now the stuff I'm taking about here.

Is it dependence (a need) or desire because you like it?

I've been vaping exclusively for 6 years. Sometime probably after 2-3 years if I forget an ecig or a battery runs out I don't get into a panic or a strong desire.

At 3 years I dropped from 18mg-9mg-4mg in a few weeks and then went to 0mg after my nicotine liquids ran out for a while without a problem.
I went back to 6mg mainly for flavor, but partly to help disease. To 10mg definitely for disease last fall. Now I'm heading back to 6mg.

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

I don't get the "gotta do something quick even if it means driving 30m to the closest open store" cravings like I did with cigarettes. But I never go out without reserves on juice or batteries, and I'll definitely get cravy and cranky if I'm out.

I also just take it way more nic than I did with cigarettes, because it's just so damned easy. With cigarettes, you have to go outside, take up 5 minutes, and you stink. With vaping, it's a quick pull, no stench, no time wasted, and so it's constant.

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

If I can ask, what do you mean "help disease?" If that's too personal, ignore it.

 

[Myk]

If I can ask, what do you mean "help disease?" If that's too personal, ignore it.

Nope, I'm open. It was thanks to someone being open a few months before it happened to me that had me not let the Drs blow it off again.

Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis
That's Ulcerative Colitis and I ended up having Crohn's, and Crohn's usually acts the opposite and does worse with smoking but mine doesn't.
Note what that study says about nicotine and addiction signs not being there.

I have a stricture and had teeth pulled in October so I think unchewed food was causing pain so I thought I was flaring. In February I was in remission. The drug that has me in remission is why I was able to quit nicotine. Now I bounce around according to how I'm feeling.
Before I was only being treated with the 5ASA in the above study and it didn't work until I increased my nicotine to 18mg.

Here is a study about nicotine enemas and Crohn's Colitis (I think that's what they're saying mine is). Let's see you get addicted to those
Nicotine Enemas for Active Crohn's Colitis: An Open Pilot Study

Interesting there is someone like me with ileal disease was helped with the enemas, which means it has to be systemic also like me vaping, because enemas won't get that high.

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

Interesting. My father recently triedre but was a GI doc who specializesd in IBD. Runs in my family, too. I've never heard about nicotine as a therapeutic before.

 

[Myk]

Interesting. My father recently triedre but was a GI doc who specializesd in IBD. Runs in my family, too. I've never heard about nicotine as a therapeutic before.

I've seen people with UC on forums that had surgery scheduled end up with it canceled by taking up 5 cigarettes a day. I wish they would do more studies to figure out why. If it's a safe blend of chemicals in smoke they could easily add them to ecigs like with WTA.

I had been bleeding for months which is what got me to try quitting again thinking it was cancer. When I quit it got worse, and worse again when I quit nicotine.
I think smoking is probably why I didn't get diagnosed as a kid, and that they didn't have colonoscopies as readily back then.

I'm not sure how the studies are going but Michael J. Fox has some studies with nicotine for Parkinson's.

 

[Notthaat Giyuh]

Hey, I have a disorder called neurofibromatosis type II that causes specific brain, spinal cord, and other neural tumors. I have a medical marijuana card here in CT, and it's anecdotal, but my tumors have been stable since I got the card.

There's a lot to natural medicines that we're still in the dark about.