VG and distilled water -- ratios?

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I add 1 drop distilled H2O per 2ml of VG juice. The drops are from disposable pipettes FYI.

As for the 2.5 ohm coil, I find that anywhere from 3.6V to 4.2V works best, depending on the juice flavor. Longbottom Leaf from EPipeMods is the only juice I take to 4.2V, maybe because it is a 95%+ VG juice.
 

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When we started DIYIng, we wanted to go with 100% VG - and we read & read the old posts. After reading everyone's past recommendations & experiences, we went with a 20% dilution, and we've been thrilled with it! :) (we've tried 25% and 30% dilutions and they seem to lessen the amount of vapor).

Our 20% dilution is 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline solution (0.9%) and 2% PGA (pure grain alcohol, 190 proof).

We mix that by the liter (no nic), and plug it into the e-juice calculator as "VG" - adding the VG-nic and flavors to that.

For 2.5 coils on BCC's, we usually vape anywhere from 3.7/8 to 4.2.
 
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All my juices are VG, only PG is from flavoring. My recipe is %flavor + %water = 22%, or thereabouts. For unflavored eliquid 20% water works well.

I have found Protanks can be sometimes not wick well with VG juices. For stock coils, 2.5 ohms, I sometimes have to use very low volts, like 3.5 V, or else it burns. I have had better luck with my own hand-wound coils (32 ga, 6 wraps, eco-wool coil wick, 2 mm extra wick on top). I get about 2.3 ohms, but the added wick size seems to keep more juice on the coil better, so I can push the volts a bit more.
 

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All my juices are VG, only PG is from flavoring. My recipe is %flavor + %water = 22%, or thereabouts. For unflavored eliquid 20% water works well.
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I think that'd be a GREAT 'standard starting place' for VG only DIYers/users!

Fwiw, we've only got one Protank (didn't like it at all) - but I can't imagine a 'factory coil' working with a VG juice that wasn't diluted at least 10-15%.

Btw, your wrap/coil sounds like a winner!
 

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I think that'd be a GREAT 'standard starting place' for VG only DIYers/users!

Fwiw, we've only got one Protank (didn't like it at all) - but I can't imagine a 'factory coil' working with a VG juice that wasn't diluted at least 10-15%.

Btw, your wrap/coil sounds like a winner!

They do work well, and the extra wicking material seems to reduce the airflow a little. PTs and other bottom coils tend to be a bit on the airy side for draw. Lower than about 2.0 ohms, and I get burning with my juices, even on an ego battery. Took a while to master 6 wraps to fit inside that little cup. I skewer the ecowool with a heavy sewing needle to make it stiff, and wrap the coil wire that way, and the ecowool texture allows close wraps without them touching each other. The added 2 mm silica wick on top also insulates the coil from the air-post base.
 

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I think we need a VG thread because there are quite a few flavors without PG. Double that number if you include flavors with PG that mix a < 3%.

Why add alcohol? I hate liquids with alcohol and I don't think it contributes to the flavor. I'm also not a fan of TH.

Agreed, aikanae1! And it is a FACT that if inhaled alcohol gets to the lungs, it goes right to the brain without liver metabolism. For those that do not drink (like me) it can indeed create a noticeable effect mentally and physically.

And I sometimes wonder if there is some sort of PG religion. Can't tell you how many threads started by new DIYers asking about VG-only recipes that get responses telling them to use 25:75, like one HAS to use PG! You don't. Use some distilled water and you can get a reasonable TH. More moist than PG, not so drying. I prefer that. 25:75 would wreck me physically. If I keep my flavoring to about 5% or less (if it is a flavoring in PG), I don't have to drink water all the time while vaping. Imagine that! No chronic dry mouth!
 

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Our 20% dilution is 9% distilled water; 9% sterile saline solution (0.9%) and 2% PGA (pure grain alcohol, 190 proof).

We mix that by the liter (no nic), and plug it into the e-juice calculator as "VG" - adding the VG-nic and flavors to that.
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How safe is inhaling saline? I will search certainly, but sometimes I get such a variety of answers, guess there hasn't been any verifiable studies done for vaping. I don't want to add alcohol, but then some of the flavors I got are mixed with it.

My first juice was bleh, just a simple 83% VG, 17% water, 5% flavor (vanilla ice cream). It got late so today I will add more flavor and check, but that thing about letting it steep -- I want juice now ya know. I did order the suggested enhancers (TFA's Ethyl Maltol, Acetyl Pyrazine, Smooth Flavor Concentrate), was hoping to keep things somewhat simple tho. Will also be trying different cartos coming in any day now. Gosh the combos are unlimited with juice ratios and coil ohms etc.

Thanks for the responses so far, good starting points. This new hobby of mine is out of control.
 

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How safe is inhaling saline? I will search certainly, but sometimes I get such a variety of answers, guess there hasn't been any verifiable studies done for vaping. I don't want to add alcohol, but then some of the flavors I got are mixed with it.

My first juice was bleh, just a simple 83% VG, 17% water, 5% flavor (vanilla ice cream). It got late so today I will add more flavor and check, but that thing about letting it steep -- I want juice now ya know. I did order the suggested enhancers (TFA's Ethyl Maltol, Acetyl Pyrazine, Smooth Flavor Concentrate), was hoping to keep things somewhat simple tho. Will also be trying different cartos coming in any day now. Gosh the combos are unlimited with juice ratios and coil ohms etc.

Thanks for the responses so far, good starting points. This new hobby of mine is out of control.


Well, since sterile saline solution has been the base liquid (to which all medicines are added) for
virtually all nebulizer treatments (for lungs/bronchials, etc) - and for simple hydration of mouth, sinuses, bronchials... I'd say it's pretty-durn safe!

5% of 'what brand' of 'vanilla ice cream'? 5% might not be enough for some - with others, it might be too much. (And 'too much' can actually cause lessening/alteration of flavor). Be sure to read Hoosier's blogs (if you haven't already).

Additives:

EM - While most refer to EM as a sweetener, always rememember it mutes & smooths flavors. Many DIYers know that if they add it, they have to increase flavor.

TFA's "Smooth" (and FA's Vape Wizard & Magic Mask). We won't use them - ever. These are not "flavors"! They have substances that chemically force/change the actions of our taste buds/receptors (temporarily). So adding them to a bottle of juice means our taste-receptors are chemically altered into different actions every time we inhale juice from that bottle (hundreds? thousands? per bottle). While the chemical substances that do this in various ways are approved by 'the authorities' for ingestion, no one has any idea what they'll do when inhaled directly into the bloodstream (without first being broken down by the digestive fluids/enzymes & liver). Chemicals that alter the actions of one part of our body going into systemic circulation with our blood cells (throughout our organs & brain), are going to temporarily alter them all how exactly? Oh that's right, no one has any clue. There's no reason we can't make satisfying juices without altering our taste buds to do it! (really, how dumb do they think we are?) :-x

Yeah, the combos ARE unlimited with the various flavors & vape-gizmos. We learned early on to stick to just one type of tank/coil for daily vaping (and to make sure our 'testing atty's' delivered a similar flavor to those). We rebuild our own heads/coils for eVods (previously) and now Glassomizers. And when adding two coils to the eVod heads to change resistance, the flavors of almost all our juices changed substantially (the creams became WAY more prevalent).
 
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