Virginia Commonwealth says smoking better than ecigs

[kristin]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CNN STORY IT IS A DIFFERENT LINK ABOUT THE STORY!! CHECK OUT THE LINK!!


Study reveals a need to evaluate and regulate ?electronic cigarettes? – VCU News Center

They observed that when participants used the two brands of “electronic cigarettes,” there was no significant increase in nicotine levels or heart rate, and little reduction in craving. However, when participants smoked their own brand of cigarettes, substantial and significant increases in plasma nicotine and heart rate, and decreases in craving were observed.

So, in other words, smoking cigarettes works better, so just keep using those and forget ecigs? What a stupid and irresponsible statement!!

Plus, now he's helping the Attorney Generals go after vendors for making false claims. Thanks for looking after the health and well being of smokers, Doc.

How about the fact that, in spite of the *cough* "fact" that they supposedly don't deliver nicotine, hundreds of thousands of people have successfully switched to vaping and don't miss smoking. Isn't that a GOOD thing made even better, because there is even less exposure to nicotine??

Hmmm....wonder if it's Big Pharma or Big tobacco that funds the National Cancer Institute?

 

[CES]

I did a google search for some background info about the doc yesterday. Interesting search, I'd recommend trying it. He used similar PR tactics related to research about the dangers of hookah smoking. The snappy overstatement of results in the sound bites had that community riled up as well. His current research is NIH funded (2 RO1's)

 

[feathersncream]

It would be interesting to know if any e-cig smokers have taken the Nicotine test and passed showing that they are not a tobacco user LOL

 

[Heed]

You're late to the party:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html

ECF user name "teissenb" is the study author.

 

[deewal]

Where you been kristin ?

 

[TropicalBob]

Yeh ... way late to this party.

 

[Raven1]

Certain irony that Virginia is one of the biggest tobacco-producing states there is isn't there? And I'm sure they want to protect that product at all costs.

 

[kristin]

You're late to the party:



http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html



ECF user name "teissenb" is the study author.

Where you been kristin ?

Yeh ... way late to this party.

Guys, pay attention, this isn't the CNN Story. Give me a break. That's old news and CASAA and the Vaper's Coalition knew about it before it even hit ECF and I was reading Eissenbergs comments on that old thread already.

LOOK AT THE FRIGGING LINK.

The above quote was is an official press release by Virginia Commonwealth posted on their site and there are videos on the link interviewing Eissenberg. The link I posted here was posted by Tbob and buried somewhere in the CNN thread and I don't think it was discussed at all for what it said. People are too busy kissing Dr. Eissenberg's .... in that thread and assumed the link was the same as the CNN story. This is DIFFERENT.

 

[kristin]

This thread isn't about the study as much as what Virginia Commonwealth is spewing on it's site.

They basically say - forget ecigs, smoking delivers nicotine better. This is dangerous and irresponsible!!

 

[BigJimW]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CNN STORY IT IS A DIFFERENT LINK ABOUT THE STORY!! CHECK OUT THE LINK!!


Study reveals a need to evaluate and regulate ?electronic cigarettes? – VCU News Center


So, in other words, smoking cigarettes works better, so just keep using those and forget ecigs? What a stupid and irresponsible statement!!

Plus, now he's helping the Attorney Generals go after vendors for making false claims. Thanks for looking after the health and well being of smokers, Doc.

How about the fact that, in spite of the *cough* "fact" that they supposedly don't deliver nicotine, hundreds of thousands of people have successfully switched to vaping and don't miss smoking. Isn't that a GOOD thing made even better, because there is even less exposure to nicotine??

Hmmm....wonder if it's Big Pharma or Big Tobacco that funds the National Cancer Institute?

Not surprising to see this. I mentioned it in a press release last month when some idiot rep from NJ says that real cigarettes may be less harmful than the electronic ones.

The reason why they're saying it has no nicotine because they want the public to think the PV is not effective. Kind of like showing a 2 pack a day smoker that you can't quit smoking by chewing Big Red gum. They know they're not stopping the flow of these things. They're now switching tactics to keep as many new users away as possible to cut down the damage.

This is straw pulling at it's finest. First, we were sucking in toxic fumes from antifreeze. Now it's the "ineffectiveness" of the electronic cigarette to help a smoker switch over. I wonder what other "science" they come up with next to discredit the PV. Perhaps it causes acne and impotence too.

 

[Heed]

LOOK AT THE FRIGGING LINK.

The above quote was is an official press release by Virginia Commonwealth posted on their site and there are videos on the link interviewing Eissenberg. The link I posted here was posted by Tbob and buried somewhere in the CNN thread and I don't think it was discussed at all for what it said. People are too busy kissing Dr. Eissenberg's .... in that thread and assumed the link was the same as the CNN story. This is DIFFERENT.

I did -- it was posted here by Eissenberg himself:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-59.html#post1057822

*shrug*

Not sure why you can't discuss it where it was posted by the author.

 

[Kilroy]

It would be interesting to know if any e-cig smokers have taken the Nicotine test and passed showing that they are not a tobacco user LOL

I have, others have, we've all tested positive.

Vape on!

 

[anim8r]

It's threads like these that make me glad I am completely stocked up for the next year.

But, it also makes me angry that others won't have the same opportunities I had to quit.

 

[Vocalek]

I did -- it was posted here by Eissenberg himself:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-59.html#post1057822

*shrug*

Not sure why you can't discuss it where it was posted by the author.

Same study, but a different news story about that study. This is the link Kristin posted. It leads to a story on the Virginia Commonwealth Unviersity web site. It is not the CNN story.

Study reveals a need to evaluate and regulate ?electronic cigarettes? – VCU News Center

There are also 3 videos of Eissenberg talking about the study if you follow the above link.

 

[Heed]

Same study, but a different news story about that study. This is the link Kristin posted. It leads to a story on the Virginia Commonwealth Unviersity web site. It is not the CNN story.

Study reveals a need to evaluate and regulate ?electronic cigarettes? – VCU News Center

There are also 3 videos of Eissenberg talking about the study if you follow the above link.

Follow my link please before commenting -- it links to the same press release page. It was posted by Eissenberg in that thread -- I'm linking directly to his post (#582) which links to the press release (3 video page, "Study Reveals...").

EDIT:

I might as well point out here for general discussion, as well, that he posted that link in response to me saying that if he had been misrepresented by the media he could issue a press release stating as much. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-58.html#post1057727 <-- link to actual post

I specifically state that a press release could be used to state that he had been misinterpreted. In his post, he takes this to mean a press release in general could be released and that he had done so. If he was truly concerned about correcting misinterpretations he could easily link to the news item in a press release, highlight the incorrect text and correct said text -- news agencies generally will take notice when you "drop their pants for them" in public. And even if they don't take notice, you have an official point of reference for correction when the matter comes up -- you can paste a link.

And even more generally, he could post in the comment sections, where available, to correct news reporters if these reporters, as he claims, will not listen to him via private communication means and amend their news items.

The "helpless in the face of the media" argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

 

[aubergine]

Well, he had us all going didn't he? Or some of us. Took me a few blinks, doh...

 

[kristin]

The "helpless in the face of the media" argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Well, he had us all going didn't he? Or some of us. Took me a few blinks, doh...

Exactly why I posted this separate thread.

He is claiming he can't help how the media reports his study, yet his own press release is reprehensible, IMO.

His own spin on the study says that ecigs don't deliver as promised and tobacco is more efficient. What kind of message does that send?? It says, "Don't waste your money on ecigs, they suck. Stick to tobacco, they work better to get you your nicotine."

If he really cared about the health of smokers, he could have amended or made comments PUBLICLY (not just on a thread on a forum that most smokers won't read) in his press release that his study is not necessarily reflective of real life ecig use and that they may very well be effective as placebos (if you want to believe his bogus testing results.)

But he didn't - all he does is imply that they are a scam and need regulation.

He is clearly putting his own negative spin on it and that makes me question his motives.

I know Tbob wants us to play nice-nice with the doctor, but I feel like I'm being patronized and I fear for the health of thousands - if not millions - of smokers who may look at the doctor's press release and avoid ecigs as being a worthless scam.

I'm sorry, but I'm just really angry about this. It goes against everything I and CASAA stand for.

Watch for the CASAA press release coming tomorrow about this study!

 

[Mac]

Kristin, I applaud you. Just because someone has a PHD after their name does not make them god. I for one am sorry I live in the same state as this guy and am completely disgusted by Virginia's head in the sand attitude about e-cigs which he seems to promote. I would suggest that the good doctor go reread that oath he took before purposefully misleading the public again.

 

[DC2]

I know Tbob wants us to play nice-nice with the doctor, but I feel like I'm being patronized and I fear for the health of thousands - if not millions - of smokers who may look at the doctor's press release and avoid ecigs as being a worthless scam.

I generally respect TBob and his points of view, but he is wrong on this one.

As they often say, the devil is in the details.
And the comments made by the good doctor are details not to be overlooked.

We should embrace those who have knowledge to offer, and support our cause.
The same does not apply to those who stand against us.