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bruiser

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I got my first clearomizer, and it sure vapes different than an EMDCC. It's hot and the liquid tastes burnt. Also burns the lips and back of the mouth. I got the 1.7 ohm, and am now thinking I should have gotten a higher ohm. Is my thinking in the right direction? Link below to what I bought.

3.5ml Vision Clearomizer
 

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I haven't tried those yet, but I have been using CE2 clearomizers, which work quite the same way as those. I'd say that you would have been better off going with a higher resistance. Being top fed by a double-ended wick, the performance will suffer on those with too high a wattage, because they can't wick as fast as the liquid atomizes.

I've bought two packs of CE2s. One was 2.4-2.6 ohms, and the other 2.6-2.8 ohms. They both perform nicely on my 3.7v eGo knock-off, but the 2.4-2.6 is noticeably better on my 3.4v Firefly. They produce an impressive amount of vapor for me, too.

Those Visions should not have any pinched wick issues like CE2s sometimes have, but it may be worth checking to see if the inner seal at the top is crammed against the wicks entering the ceramic cup. They work best with a little space available in the slot the the wicks go into.
 

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I just ordered some of these myself, from the same vendor. I couldn't resist trying them for once, since I have put them off for so long. People either love them or hate them, very few people on the fence about these units. I am putting them on a KGO. Some of the other threads I read about these particular Visions, mention that because these clearomizers have their coil at the top, near your lips and mouth, that you should use higher ohms than you would with a regular cartomizer.

On a KGO (an eGo/Riva proprietary 3.7 volt battery with nearly identical 510 connection) I have been recommended to use 1.7 ohm single coil cartomizers for a warmer vape, but with some of my lighter fruit juices like apple or watermelon, banana cream pie, hazelnut coffee, and french vanilla coffee juices, I will use the black XL 1.5 ohm dual coils so they don't burn (and I like the cooler vape and thicker vapor on those), but my chocolate raspberry truffle and caramel cappuccino juices that are super sweet and have dark color, do have more flavor at the 1.7 ohms. I am using Hoosiers house 60pg/40vg blends.

I mistakenly ordered extra dual coils for the 3.5ml DCT Smoktech tank, in addition to the ones that come with them, and now have found out that the reason it doesn't get hot and produce vapor, is because I should have put 1.7 ohm single coils on the small tank, for a 3.7volt device. In the New Members forum, several experienced forum members were nice enough to explain volts, ohms, and even wattage to me, and how that relates to the vaping experience I will get with the cartomizers, tanks, and atomizers I would use. I was also wisely advised to get a multimeter, something on my list to buy next time I order supplies in April, I am set until then.

I have read people complain their juices taste burnt at 2.2-2.4 ohms on the Visions clearomizers using 3.7-4.2 volts, and they went as high as 2.6-2.8 ohms even at 3.7 volts, only because the coil is at the top of the clearomizer. I did the ECF Google search and found several entries using the search terms: 3.5ML VISION CLEAROMIZER on KGO, and a few variations on that. You could modify your search to whatever device you are using, since voltage and battery will make a difference how your Vision clearomizer performs. Just what kept being a recurring theme, was that because the coil is at the top, higher ohms were preferred, some people burned their lips at 1.7 ohms, it sounds like you did as well.

Some people recommended not filling all the way to the top of Clearomizer on the first vape, and filling half way. Then they turned the carto upside-down and rolled it around on their PV, to get the liquid all over the wick and atty, between vapes, I forget what the justification for this was now. And some dry burned the atty or dripped on it before filling and using, to get a bad taste off the coil, I forget the justification on that either. There are some videos on YouTube regarding that same clearomizer and GotVapes had their's specially made, and came with nipples to fill, but these Vision from Hoosiers should not require a needle or nipple to fill, but you already got past that part anyway. I am eager to see if I did wrong by ordering 2.8 ohms for my KGO, since they were only available at Hoosiers in 1.7 ohm, 2.3 ohm, and 2.8 ohm, and I was concerned about people who complained about 2.2-2.4 ohms being too hot as well on a 3.7-4.2 volt range. Some members found 2.2-2.4 ohms to be best at 5 volts in some threads and posts I read at ECF.
 
Funny...I was just researching the same issue! I bought the exact same clearomizer from Hoosier as you, bruiser. I began using it on my Kgo last night - filled it up 3/4 with Virgin Vapor's Menthol Moon Drops and LOVED it! I noticed right before bed, and after half of the juice was gone, that it started tasting burnt. This morning, I dropped the clearomizer and it worked beautifully again. So after a quick search in the forum, I found that some people said that tipping it and rolling the juice around will get the wick wet again (exactly what must have a happened after I dropped it). I also read that long, slow draws can create a little air pocket in the middle, causing poor air flow. It was then suggested that taking the tip off to release the pocket of air works, too. So, when I got the burn again, I tried this and it helped as well. Not sure if there's something else I should be doing, but these two things were quick fixes and my clearomizer is working perfectly again. I'm interested in seeing what other advice pops up in this thread :)
 

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I got the same ones from same supplier except in the 2.4-2.6 ohm form. Actually so far it has done everything pretty well. I haven't had any leaks and produces good flavor and vapor at about any voltage setting. I kind of figured these were made for the ego style and therefore tend to stay around 3.7 to 3.9 volts. I didn't really care about the lighted ones they have coming but wanted to try a larger vision to see how it would do. I have found that different juices react differently to the voltage. It just takes a little experimenting if you have a VV device. I am one of the ones on the fence I guess. I like the concept and can't say anything bad about it but I also like my cartos and tanks. I guess I need to go back to vaping so I can make up my mind before I place another order. The way things go before I am ready there will be something completely different I need to try also. Decisions decisions decisions.
 
I am 12 hours post a.m. research and here's where I'm at - I was off to a good start, but my woes have begun again. I get 2 good vapes, then a dry, burnt taste. I roll, turn upside down, take the top off, blah blah blah. I have 3 more of these things, so I don't want to give up just yet...but my patience is starting to wear thin, lol! I have yet to find a good answer on what I can do to fix this, aside from taking it apart and modifying it. If anyone finds a good link to another thread or a good video, please share :)
 
Okay, I figured out MY issue with the help of Grimm Green...The silicone part covering the atty/wick was pinching my wicks, preventing proper wicking. The two little holes where you fill through should be aligned with the wicks, and mine simply were not. I watched the following video from Grimm, popped of the silicone piece, realigned, reassembled, and I am now in vaping heaven. The clearomizer he's using is different, but it's the same concept. Not sure if this will help you, but see if your parts are lined up properly :)

THIS IS HOW I USE CLEAR-O-MIZERS - YouTube
 

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It is kind of funny how most of us vapers seem to go through the same ordeal no matter how many posts are here regarding CE2's , attys, cartos, etc... I went through it a couple of months back, got tired of having 10 Ce2's filled at once and cleaning them every 3-4 days, pinching of the wicks, leaking if left sideways, etc... Went to carto tanks , no more problems, I must admit i go through cartos alot more than CE2s but it is well worth it in my opinion, Boge 3.0 in cut down tanks.
 

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Personally, I find CE2s to be much preferable to carto tanks. I've found that I just can't stand anything with polyfill in it anymore, after trying these. I realized that the other day when I left home with my untested, homemade 6ml CE2 tankomizer, and had a problem with it at work... :oops: I filled one of my backup boge cartos, and it tasted like polyfill, and left my throat a bit sore by the end of the work day. I guess I'm a bit sensitive to some plastics.

I've opened three CE2s out of the 10 that I've bought, and have been using them for about 6 weeks now. I rotate two through another homemade tank, and use one as is for a different flavor. I don't change flavors very often, though. I don't mind having to leave them tipped or standing up, either.

All I do to with a new one is pull the gaskets out of the top, fill it by dripping down the side, put the bottom gasket in upside down, discard the flat gasket, and pop the mouthpiece in.
 

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I think this is the same thing I just got. What I'm wondering, is do they not work well with thicker juices? Mine is a 2.4-2.6ohm on an 900mah battery and it doesn't produce very much vapor, and when I have gotten about 3/4 way to the bottom there is a thick sludge at the bottom. I have only had it a couple of days and am getting frustrated. I was using the 2.0 ohm bridgeless attys from nhaler before and I really liked the vapor they produced, but am on the move too much to be constantly dripping. Also, I noticed my juice seemed to leave a lot of gunk on the bridgeless and it seems to have killed one very quickly. Is there a recommended juice to use with these? Or a way to thin the juice so that it wics better?
 

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Two reasons you may get a burnt taste on any carto, atty, clero, vision, you name it !!! :)

Not enough juice getting to the coil due to the dang little pieces not lined up right, QA is non-existent.
AND if using a low resistance, NOT letting go of the fool button!! :lol: If it tastes burnt and it's wet with
juice you're hitting it with too much power. Pulse the button while you drag, it will lessen the heat so it
doesn't burn, just vaporizes the juice.

Nice hot-rod 450 horsepower, rev it up, pop the clutch, lots of tire smoke but you don't go anywhere....:)
ease the clutch and gas pedal, and you're cruising fast.
 

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I got the 3.5ml Vision Clearomizer spoken about in this thread for my KGO in the mail yesterday, and they were the 2.8 ohms. I can understand why the 1.7 ohms are so hot. 2.8 ohms is supposed to be a cooler vape on a KGO than a 1.7 ohm, and it still gets hot enough to make my lips hot on a long vape, enough to make me let go of the button (and lips off the tip) before it gets any hotter. I like to puff and hold vapor in my mouth before I inhale, and I don't find it wise to do a lot of that with the coil so close to my mouth. It does do justice to my apple e-juice 60PG/40VG Hoosiers House Blend in this Clearomizer. I really get the full apple flavor. In less than 8 to 10 hours I managed to vape all the juice I put in it, although I didn't fill it the fullest I could have gotten it. I noticed on the 2nd and 3rd times I refilled it, it needs more tipping over to keep juice on the coil, and avoid burn tasting hits. I also noticed that I couldn't see the wicks when the Clearomizer is full, even though this e-liquid is clear, how weird is that? I can see them as the level of e-liquid drops, but they turn invisible when they are thoroughly soaked. I am wondering if the wicks need some attention. Does anyone think the wicks need "fluffing" or other maintenance as in the earlier versions of this Clearomizer, as seen in YouTube videos? I often have to hold it upside down several times, roll it around, then blow air through the tip, to avoid the burned taste now after the 2nd refill (3 refills in less than 48 hours, it just tastes so good when I get that proper amount of liquid on the coil, I could eat it). Other than that I love it, it needs less topping off than the poly-fill cartridges, it holds a lot more juice than they do, and I think the poly-fill does trap and waste some of your e-liquid.

I'm glad I put rubber car mats under my desk and this chair (it was to prevent burning my carpet when I was smoking analogues). I got tired of those plastic floor mats from Office Depot wearing out so fast, then cracking, and needing to be replaced so often at $100+ a pop, and a friend got me the car floor mats to try. I dropped my KGO a few times this morning after an all-nighter of typing documents, and the Clearomizer didn't crack. I'm glad I got the KGO Adapter for Dual Coil Tanks, it provides a little stability to the Clearomizer and keeps the post from wiggling around on the threads when it is moved, tipped, screwed on, it provides a platform under the Clearomizer so the threads aren't the only thing supporting it on the KGO. Adapter for Dual Coil Tanks
SLB made it for the clear tanks like the Smoktech DCT tank that came out with the cartomizer in the middle, and little holes punched in the cartomizer to let the e-liquid in. Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank
These also come with single coil LR 1.7 cartomizers, which are supposed to produce more vapor on the clear tank. I haven't tried mine yet, the dual coils didn't work for me in the tank, but I just got my 1.7 ohm single coils punched yesterday, and will try those to see if they produce good vapor. I wasted money ordering extra of the dual coil punched cartomizers when I got them and again on my 2nd order that I will never use either. They are in unopened plastic pounches, the kind that are sealed, they should be exchangeable, but I am embarrassed to ask because I don't know what I am doing as I start this vaping experience, and a lot of similar items are not exchangeable from many vendors.
The adapter also helps for the 3.5ml XXXL Dual Coil Cartomizers with Rubber Tip as well. XXXL clear dual coil From Smok Tech 1.5ohm with round rubber tip

I also lined up the notches in the plug so the wicks were not pinched off. I don't understand why when I have the clearomizer tipped back and full, the vape when I push the button will start out tasting good, but end with a burnt flavor on a vape longer than 15-20 seconds. I gotta remember to let go of the button like Stosh said, "ease the clutch and gas pedal, and you're cruising fast." I know that's longer than most people inhale their vapor, that's why I go through it so fast. Maybe I should switch to stronger nicotine. I don't care so much for TH, as much as sweet flavor and vapor in the exhale, ok I'm strange. I think after 28 years of analogues, I am trying to stay away from tobacco and menthol flavors to keep the experience as unique from my analogue habit as possible, plus it's a nice change to enjoy sweets since I seldom indulged in them for so many years.
 

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good post chewie, you seem to be learning like me as a new vaper. something my thick skull is trying to process. with an ego/kgo battery why do single coil ohm 1.7 cartomizers seem to burn hotter than a dual coil 1.5ohm? is it because the battery is firing through 2 coils which is like using a 3ohm? i keep hearing that using the 1.7ohm and lower will decrease the lifespan of an ego battery, but i'm not sure if it's significant, mabe a few months before you have to replace the battery anyway.

right now i'm using GotVapes VISION eGo Stardust ™ 1.6ml Top Coil Carto 2.2-2.5 ohm [gv-visionstardust-2.2] - $5.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more, it's like the 3.5ml but it has a shorter wick. i'm wondering how many refills i'll get before it dies. it seems to work pretty good with big clouds but it took a full refill before it was "broken in". i'm using it with an ego-c, the threads on the riva don't work with it, the draw is too tight when i tried to use the vision stardust with that.
 

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The 1.7 is a single coil and therefore can get pretty hot on an ego at 3.4 volts or so. The 1.5 dual coil is two 3 ohm coils which will not get as hot as the other coil since they are 3.0 ohm. Their advertised advantage I believe is that even though they don't get as hot they have two coils so twice the coil exposure to liquid resulting in more, but cooler, vapor. Hope I got that right and hope it helps understand. I utilize both in my tanks depending on what kind of liquid I am using and what kind of vape I am in the mood for.
 

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Thank you Sandscards, some of the 1.7 resurrector users were unintentionally confusing me, I was thinking they were trying to tell me that there was no use for a dual coil carto pushing two 3.0 ohm coils on a 3.7 volt PV. It's really a matter of preference, whether you want a warm vape with lots of TH, or a cooler vape with more vapor in a PG/VG mix like I am using, and also depending on the nature of the e-liquid as well. I don't think they were necessarily telling me there was no use for the dual coils on my 3.7 volt KGO, that is just what I was interpreting from the discussion, not necessarily what they were telling me as a hard set rule, just what I should do if I wanted an experience of the type they enjoyed, warm vapor and some TH. Actually I might like that, I just never pulled on my drip tips or mouth pieces the way I would experience my vape that way. It really comes down to experimenting and finding what works best for you in the end, others can't always tell you 100% of the time what is going to work best for you in every situation, or desired result. When I filled some of my other 1.7 ohm cartos, they did not get as hot as the first one or two, and the filler seemed to work better, so my first couple tries with the Smoktech 1.7 ohm single coils gave me a worse opinion of them than they deserved, and other juices tasted better in them, like the sweeter darker chocolate and raspberry truffle, than a light apple or watermelon fruit that I prefer with a cooler vape from a dual coil, or 2.8 ohm Visions clearomizer.

N Rustica, I have looked at those same Stardust Clearomizers you are talking about from gotvapes, but wasn't sure if their threading would fit over my KGO threading, since they were made for that special eGo cone shape. That Hoosiers mis-order deal really was a good incentive for me to try the Visions, since they were on sale for less than the light-up LEDs they usually carry. They look cool in the picture, but I wouldn't use them only for that feature, if I couldn't get good flavor and long life from them. I have heard people say they got as long as 4 weeks or longer from one Clearomizer, but the results really depended on the particular e-liquid used, and other factors I can't remember right off hand. I know some of the GotVapes Clearomizers in the YouTube videos allowed removing the glass tubes from the center post, which gave users good access to the wicks for cleaning them or fluffing them, and some people used them until they said their tube looked cloudy and dirty, but the juice and vapor still tasted good, as long as the wicks were wicking the e-liquid to the coil properly. I don't think the visions that I got at Hoosiers are remove-the-glass-tube-from-the-post friendly, but I don't know that 100%. I haven't seen any videos about fluffing the wicks on your Stardust eGo clearos either, so I don't know if they would be accessible for that sort of maintenance. I think e-liquids with dark food-coloring and lots of sugars gunk the wicks and coils faster than clear liquids, low on sugars and without food-coloring. Don't quote me on that though.

I made a big boo-boo tonight. I thought that maybe that plastic plug was sitting too close to the coil, and that's why turning the Clearomizer upside down was not totally getting rid of the burned taste as I was vaping faster than liquid could get to the little coil. The Clearomizer was about empty, so I pulled the rubber stopper up higher to where it was almost flush with where the mouth piece enters the glass tube, and then refilled it with e-liquid, all the way to the top. This was a bad idea, since the top had been raised to a higher point, I was actually over-filling the Clearomizer. After I put in the mouthpiece and tipped my KGO over to get liquid on the coil, I noticed that the air bubble at the top was getting larger, yet I hadn't vaped yet, how did that happen? I thought maybe it ran up the center tube into my mouth piece, so I blew on it to push it out of the mouth piece, in case that is where the missing liquid went. That is when I realized I had e-liquid dripping down the whole KGO, as it was coming out of the air vents at the battery connection. I had to clean the battery connection and battery stick, lower the plug some more inside the clearo, and make sure it wasn't flush against the mouth piece. Then when I took my first vape, I got a mouth full of several, several drops of juice. I madly licked a paper towel to get as much off as possible, I didn't want to get a Nicotine rush and feel my heart pounding. Some had traveled into the mouthpiece, at least it went that way because with the rubber stopper too high, it had no place else to go. So I wasted more e-liquid burning any liquid off in that tube to avoid another mouthful of e-liquid. My wicks are soaked to the core, so I don't know why the coil doesn't remain wet with e-liquid.

And why is it when a coil (in any accessory, atty, clearo, carto) is dry, it produces a mad amount of vapor, no matter how bitter tasting? Does VG stick to a dry coil better somehow? Is it the Vegetable Glycerin that produces the vapor, and the Propylene Glycol that delivers the nicotine and TH? I must be getting annoying with all my questions. I am reminded of that toddler who learns to ask "why?", and follows the big sibling around asking, "why?", "why?", "why?", to the point of being ignored, or left behind on a bicycle, or else locked out of their sibling's bedroom.

Live and learn. And as I saw elsewhere on this forum, YMMV.
 

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RockinRobbieSF (estarra on youtube) mentions stardust is a tight draw on the kgo Vaping Review: Stardust from Gotvapes - YouTube

i'm happy i bought an ego-c passthrough because i wasn't getting anywhere with them on the riva battery, the best thing about the stardust is not having to guess when to refill. it's still not as easy draw as a boge or smoktech
 
Awww, chewie! Sounds like you had a frustrating night! I'm still fairly new to the whole vaping experience, so I am learning through you and your questions :) I love this forum because everyone is so helpful.

By the way, I put a brand new Clearomizer on last night for kicks, and I haven't had a single issue with it! My first one must've been a bad one. I still have to tip it to get the wicks wet, but haven't had the dreaded burning taste :)
 
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