Vision Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3 Tank Adaptation (Mod) for using a Glass Tube Tank

[100%VG]

Vision Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3 tank Adaptation (mod) for using a Glass Tube tank

I came up with this Concept Design so people can use ANY Flavor without having to worry about Cracking or Melting, and still have a Clear Tank you can easily see though. It will not Crack, Melt, or become Discolored from using ANY Flavorings, including Citrus or Cinnamon Red Hots, though I cannot speak for O-Ring wear.



My Word Document Formatting was not preserved when I Copied and Pasted, so this image may be rather small. I uploaded the Word Document, so I hope you'll be able to find it.

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The Top Cover will accommodate a Standard 510 Drip Tip. The bottom Post of it is Threaded to “Screw In” to the Atomizer Cartridge, thus holding the Assembly together.

In this Drawing, the Threaded Post on the bottom of the Top Cover is shown deliberately of a lot smaller Diameter than the Atomizer Head, so the Top of the Atomizer Head can have a very Thick Wall for Threading.


This Design uses a Glass Tube. No Internal Threading!!!

Glass Tubes are generally Thicker than Plastic Tubes (at least those that I have seen), so this Design may need to be Taller to keep the same overall Diameter, and still hold an appreciable amount of E-Liquid.


This entire Atomizer Head Assembly is much more Heavy Duty than the current design. It is a good bit Larger in Diameter, and much Deeper, though it may not be readily discernable in the Drawing. This is necessary because the slotted section, where the Wicks slide in, has to be Threaded. Therefore, the Threaded section needs to be a lot Thicker to be able to maintain it’s Shape, while still being able to withstand the Pressures of screwing the Top on and off, and be strong enough to Seal the Top and Bottom O-Rings on the Glass Tube. The Atomizer Coil/Wick Assembly itself could be the same original design, with the same removable Metal (+) End Cap and (-) Sleeve to accommodate DIY people who wrap their own Wicks with Kanthal.

I believe that a Thick Stainless Steel Wall would accommodate this Atomizer Head Design. The Atomizer Coil Chamber section (and Air Hole size) could be the same original V3 Diameter to accommodate that original Atty design, and removable Metal (+) End Cap and (-) Sleeve.


This Design has much the same Base as the Vivi Nova V3 Tank System. However, the current Design has Screw Threads inside the Plastic Tube. This Design would not be Threaded, but might be able to use the Same O-Rings on the Top and Bottom to Seal the Glass Tube.

Where the New Atomizer Head Assembly screws into the Base Tower, that Threaded Atomizer Section of the Tower is shown to be much Larger in Diameter than the current design, though it may not be readily discernable in the Drawing. This is to make it more Heavy-Duty, to be able to withstand the Pressures of having to hold the Top and Bottom in place by “Screwing In” the Top Cover tight enough to hold the Bottom on and Seal the Glass Tube. The Atomizer Head Assembly should be a lot more Heavy-Duty on the Tower Thread end, too, as well as the Slotted section. The Air Channel inside the Tower could be the same Diameter as the original (which feeds very well on my eVic), but the whole Tower should probably be more Heavy-Duty, with a Thicker Threaded Wall. Again, Stainless Steel should accommodate.


The flat area of the Top Cover, around the Post Threads, could have a round Channel cut in, which the Top of the Atomizer Head fits into, to help prevent the Atomizer Head’s Threaded, but Slotted, Wick Channel from becoming stressed to the point of losing proper Shape so that it no longer holds tight, and/or strips the Threads.

If such a Channel is cut around the Threaded Post in the Top Cover, it could be a perfect fit on the Inside of the Channel on both sides of the Atomizer Head, but Tapered out (Funneled) coming down toward the Atomizer Head on the Outside Rim, and before the Atomizer meets the Threads, to easily allow the Atomizer to find its way in, and to help keep it True and Round once seated, and even reshape it to True Round, while keeping it tight on, and snug around, the Post Threads as it tightens.

After Thought: A Metal Collar Tube could also be used around the Top Cover’s Threaded Post for reinforcing the Atomizer True-to-Round, so the Plastic Fitting that is currently on top of the Atomizer (that prevents Flooding) may no longer be needed. This is not shown in the Drawing, because it came to me while writing this, and because it would be difficult to display properly anyway, without 3D sectionals. It would, however, probably be best to have it Funnel out also to guide the Atomizer inside, but that may hamper it’s Anti-Flooding purpose. This whole collar tube concept would probably be a nightmare to machine, but could be done in a number of ways. If the tube is long enough, the Atomizer Head could be slightly bullet-shaped to help guide it into a straight, non-Funneled Tube, but still be flat enough at the tip to prevent problems meeting the Drip Tip.

This Cut Channel and/or Collar Tube may not be necessary if the Atomizer Head’s Threaded Wall section is made Thick enough (Sturdy enough), and a Plastic Fitting, similar to the current design, could be used to prevent Flooding, but the Cut Channel (Funneled on the Outside) seems like a pretty good idea.


Considering that the Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3 Tank really only holds just over 2.5ml without covering the Wicks and Flooding the Atomizer Chamber (it’s only metered to 2.5ml), and the fact that Glass Tubes are generally Thicker than Plastic Tubes, this New Design could be Taller and Wider. My Joyetech eVic is about 22mm in Diameter, so that really wouldn't be too large in Diameter for a Tank System, though I would agree that the current size is nice, and fits the eVic narrowed top nearly flush to the sides. However, if a larger Diameter is used, then eGo-T/C users who want something more Modest can still use the Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3 Tank as it is, and those with a larger 18650 Mod Battery Design could have something more Full Sized with a Larger Capacity, and still not be excessively tall. Or maybe Versions with Glass Tubes could be made; one for the eGo Battery in a narrower but longer design, and a wider one for Mod Battery Designs. An actual Storage Capacity of 3.5ml to 4ml in a Glass Tube Design would be appreciated, no matter how it is accomplished.


This is only a Concept Drawing, with my thoughts for Construction, based on what I’ve seen in Glass Tubes, and things like the Genesis RBA designs. I think the Genesis Designs are a bit too tall, with that Top Atty section that screws on being a lot of that height. I may end up with something like the AGA-T, but I think this Vision Vivi Nova V3 Tank Adaptation (or Mod) would make for a much more accommodating size design. The SplitFire is crazy tall, too, and I have to wonder how well those Wicks will feed though the 4 holes in the upper chamber – probably very poorly with 100% VG. The Vivi Nova V3 Tank is a proven design that works well, even with 100% VG, at least until about ½ Tank, but I’ve seen that a #500 SS Mesh Wick in a U shape may solve that. So this Vivi Nova V3 Tank is what I’d like to see Adapted to a Glass Tube Design. Maybe this Concept submission will spawn a whole new design. I am an Electrical Engineer. I’m certain that once a Mechanical Engineer takes on the Project, it will be done in a high-quality design, hopefully with some Over-Design built-in for durability. I hate it when things are designed to the bare minimums, so a little Over-Design would be nice, especially considering that the slotted Wick channels will be the weak point.


Thank you for reading this Glass Tube Concept Design of mine. I really hope a company like Vision will consider making it, to add to their already popular line of quality products. I feel that This could be the answer to all of the Flavor issues (Cracking and Melting Plastic Tubes), with something in proven design like the Vivi Nova V3 Tank System. This Vivi Nova System is already quite versatile, being Rebuildable, and quite sturdy, so if done right, a Glass Tube could only make it better.

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[100%VG]

Hello again,

100%VG here again. My original Word Document is 487KB (the Picture is a Large Resolution), and apparently the Document is too large to Upload, so if you’d like to see it, just respond and ask. I can email it to you. The Upload Program reduced the size of the Drawing from 443KB to 11KB, so that’s why it’s so small in the first Post.


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I've been looking at the Atomizer Head in my present Vision Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3, and I think that the Mod could be done by only Beefing Up the Atomizer Head, and adding the Threaded Post (with an Air Flow hole) to the Top Cap below the Drip Tip, while making the Top and Bottom Covers without being Threaded for a Plastic Tube, so a Glass Tube could be used. I'm thinking that the current Base and Tower would probably be OK “As Is” minus the Threads for the Plastic Tube.

If the Atomizer Head was made in the same Diameter as the Base Tower where it screws in, all the way Up, throughout the Slotted Wick Area, then this may add the Wall Thickness needed for the Top of it to be Threaded, without having to make the Tower Threaded section any differently. This way it would fit into the present Base Tower design, if the Atomizer Thread Wall is Thick enough, and the Top Cover Post can be Small enough to work. Stainless Steel may accommodate it this way. Then, a Glass Tube of the same Thickness and Diameter could be used without further modification, except for maybe the O-Ring type and placement, if such a Glass Tube could be found or created.

Modifying the Top Cover by adding the Threaded Post below the Drip Tip, with a Cut Channel around that Post, Funneled out on the outside rim to guide the Atomizer Head into place and reinforce it to True Round, while holding the Atomizer Head's Threads tightly around the Post, will handle that part of the Design (the 1st Posted Method and This one). The Atomizer Head should meet the Funneled outer rim of the Cut Channel before the Threads of the Head meet the Threads of the Post. This would be the simplest Top Cover design to Machine.

The Atomizer Head, if made the same Diameter as the Base Tower all the way Up, could then be Threaded inside. The Slotted portion would have to be Taller to accommodate Threading, but the Top Cover Threaded Post would act as the present Plastic Cover to help prevent Flooding. The Seal would be provided by the Cut Channel around the Atomizer Head. The Air Hole and Coil Chamber could be the same, with only a Taller and Thicker Slotted Wall around it. However, the current Wick/Coil section is a pretty narrow hole, so that hole will need to be Wider above the Coil Chamber to accommodate a Threaded Post with Air Flow to the Drip Tip. If the Top Cover has the Cut Channel around the Threaded Post, to reinforce the Atomizer Head, this Diameter may be workable. This would be something for a Mechanical Engineer to determine.

The Air Flow “Draw” of the present design is very nice, so this Air Flow Capacity should be maintained, no matter how the design may be modified for a Glass Tube.

As stated earlier, the Cut Channel would be a perfect fit for the Atomizer Head inside the Channel, on both sides of the Atomizer Head, but the Outer Rim would be Funneled out for a short section to guide the Atomizer Head into the Channel. Just trying to make that part clear, because it’s important.

If this is done so that the Atomizer Head is aligned into the Channel as the Top Cover is seated before screwing it on, let’s say with the Top Cover resting inside the Glass Tube (maybe on the O-Ring), this will keep the Top Cover level, align the Atomizer Head, and help to prevent crossed and/or striped threads. Once the Top Cap starts being screwed on, the Atomizer Head will already be in the section of the Channel where the Rim is no longer Funneled, and fits perfectly inside the Cut Channel, thus maintaining Head Shape and Tightness on the Threads Since this Top Cover has a Riser design up to where the Drip Tip fits in, there should be plenty of room for such a Channel design. . It would probably be best to have it Boldly Marked that the Channel should be lubricated with E-Liquid before assembly, to prevent Atomizer Head from Binding and Jarring inside the Channel.
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After reading that some Tank Designs can get Hot enough to melt a Plastic Drip tip, I realized that the Plastic Cover that is presently atop the Atomizer Head in a Vivi Nova may be there for an insulation function also, to help keep the Top Cover from getting too Hot. It may be more than just a Seal for the Top Cover and an Anti-Flooding device. If it is, then that will have to be considered by the Mechanical Engineer who accepts the Project. While a Glass Tube could handle the heat, O-Rings and Plastic Drip Tips might not, and no one will want to handle it if it’s too Hot.

I realize that this 2nd Atomizer thought is something of an Under-Design, as compared to the original Post, but if it’s Mechanically Sound, based on the Laws of Physics, and done in a Durable, Sturdy fashion that’s not prone to problems, then that’s all that really matters. It’s just that I noticed how Skinny the Atomizer Head is at the Top, and this 2nd thought came to me. All I really want is to see this Concept come into Reality in an actual high-quality Product, and if this makes it easier to build with current Machine Configurations, the So Be It.

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[100%VG]

100%VG again,

I’d really like to see an Increased Capacity over the current 2.5ml limit. A 3.5ml listing for the Vision Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3 Tank is absolutely not accurate at all, and the 2.5ml Metering on it really shows that the Makers knew that. So why is it Marketed as 3.5ml? No one likes to purchase a product, and then find out that it’s not everything it’s supposed to be. “Truth in Advertizing” would be appreciated in the future.

This next part has already been covered briefly, but I wanted to expound on the subject for the Glass Tube Tank design. For added Tank Capacity, the Base Tower could be Taller with a Longer Tube, but maintain the same basic design otherwise. To increase Tank Capacity even more, the whole thing could be made Wider.

The Genesis-style Glass Tube Tanks are about 22mm Wide (for specs, see AGA Tiamat PLUS w/Glass Tank at discountvapers.com). This particular AGA-T is supposed to be 3.2+ml, but it’s 60mm Tall without a Drip Tip (Wow!). Using this Vivi Nova design, the Assembled Tank would be much Shorter than any Genesis Tank, especially if a 22mm Base (or something close to it) is adopted. I have already stated that the current Diameter could be maintained for eGo-T/C Battery users, but still incorporate a Glass Tube, and that two versions could be available, with one for Mod Battery users. And that a SS Mesh Wick can still be used. There's a YouTube Video showing how to make a U-Shaped SS Wick for the Vivi Nova 3.5ml V3, so something similar could be made for any Vivi Nova design to come out of this.

The present design seems to have a pretty narrow Wick Slot, as illustrated in the SS Mesh Video. That same Slot Width could be maintained in a 22mm Base design for regular Silica Wicks, and anyone wanting to be able to use a Thicker Silica or SS Wick could cut it wider, like they do for This and other Tanks now. Considering the Fact that some people like a Thicker Wick, especially for 100% VG, like 2 or 3 strands of 2mm or 3mm Silica Wick, and some would like a Thicker SS Mesh Wick, especially for 100% VG, then Versions could be made to easily accommodate those people – one with a Normal width wick slot, and one with a Wider width wick slot. This is probably asking too much, both for Manufacturing and for Retailers to stock, but it’s Out There as a Thought.

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[The Ocelot]

Hi! You might want to drop a line to OCD, the owner of IBTanked to compare notes. He was looking into making a glass tank for the vivi nova.

 

[100%VG]

100%VG here,

I made a Typo in my original Post. I typed

If such a Channel is cut around the Threaded Post in the Top Cover, it could be a perfect fit on the Inside of the Channel on both sides of the Glass Tube, but Tapered out (Funneled) coming down...

It should be

If such a Channel is cut around the Threaded Post in the Top Cover, it could be a perfect fit on the Inside of the Channel on both sides of the Atomizer Head, but Tapered out (Funneled) coming down...

Sorry about that,

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[100%VG]

I wrote to one of them, and never heard back. It's good to know that someone is considering it. Thanks! I'll do that.

100%VG

 

[100%VG]

Hi The Ocelot,

What did you think of the Concept? It would be a whole new product, not just one fitted with a Glass Tube, but I'd certainly take that over nothing!!!

100%VG

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi The Ocelot,

What did you think of the Concept? It would be a whole new product, not just one fitted with a Glass Tube, but I'd certainly take that over nothing!!!

100%VG

Honestly? I applaud your endeavor, but am far too right-brained to have a clue what it means.

 

[100%VG]

Hi The Ocelot,

That was Funny!!! . . . too Right-Brained.

It's simply a Design Concept to allow a proven Threaded Plastic Tube Tank Design to accommodate a Non-Threaded Glass Tube. The details of the "Gutts" are Wordy for any Designers and Manufacturers to consider, but the whole idea is to go Glass instead of Plastic, and be able to use ANY Flavorings without the Cracking issues of Plastic, or having to rely on Tanked Cartomizer Systems that get Clogged with things like Cinnamon Red Hots. The Vivi Nova can be easily taken apart and cleaned, and the Atomizer can be easily replaced with stock items in 1.8 or 2.8 Ohms, or even totally rebuilt to your own design specs with Kanthal A-1 Resistance Wire and your choice of Wick Materials - even SS Mesh Wicks. It's really a great, durable, and versatile design.

If adopted, this would actually be a whole new Product. But that would be no Threat to companies like IBTanked. It would simply give them something else to make a Glass Tube Tank for, in Beautiful Designs that don't come from (aren't available from) China. I'm really very happy that you saw it and commented. I found IBTanked again because of you. I looked at their web site about a week ago, but there were no Threaded Glass Tanks to use then that I could see, so I came up with this Concept Design.

I wrote to OCD a few minutes ago, per your advice. I told him that you sent me. So I'm looking forward to hearing about his Options.

Thanks,

100%VG

 

[NYC Kid 223]

Hi 100% VG,

What do you call an engineer that doesn't over design?... Out of work : ) I worked in construction for 19 years in NYC, 10 years as a project manager, and as far as I'm concerned EVERY engineer over designs, but that's what they're paid to do... think of every possible scenario and account for it and not break the bank in the process. There was usually a happy medium between what the engineer specified and what the architects, contractors, subcontractors and suppliers thought would be practical, but more often than not, the engineer was always right.

So with that said, I LOVE your concept, and I'm just left brained enough to understand it. I've been vaping for 3 weeks now and use Red Hot Cinnamon in a metal mini vivi nova. I've since ordered the larger metal tank as well as what MAY BE a colored polypropylene tank. It's not frosted, so I have my doubts that is, but will test it out.

I was also hoping that IBTanked could fabricate something that's compatible with the vivi nova system. I've not used a cartomizer before, and don't plan to in the near future, so I would definitely hope your concept is considered. It might need to be tweaked some, but certainly an outstanding idea and definitely something I would purchase when it hits the market.

 

[klynnn]

I am another right-brained one who doesn't understand all the workings but I would love a glass tank on the nova and would buy one in a heartbeat. Would like to see at least 4.5ml capacity.

 

[100%VG]

Hi 100% VG,

What do you call an engineer that doesn't over design?... Out of work : ) I worked in construction for 19 years in NYC, 10 years as a project manager, and as far as I'm concerned EVERY engineer over designs, but that's what they're paid to do... think of every possible scenario and account for it and not break the bank in the process. There was usually a happy medium between what the engineer specified and what the architects, contractors, subcontractors and suppliers thought would be practical, but more often than not, the engineer was always right.

So with that said, I LOVE your concept, and I'm just left brained enough to understand it. I've been vaping for 3 weeks now and use Red Hot Cinnamon in a metal mini vivi nova. I've since ordered the larger metal tank as well as what MAY BE a colored polypropylene tank. It's not frosted, so I have my doubts that is, but will test it out.

I was also hoping that IBTanked could fabricate something that's compatible with the vivi nova system. I've not used a cartomizer before, and don't plan to in the near future, so I would definitely hope your concept is considered. It might need to be tweaked some, but certainly an outstanding idea and definitely something I would purchase when it hits the market.

Hi NYC Kid 223,

Thanks for the compliment. The world needs more “Left-Brainers” like us!!!

You’d probably do best not to try Cinnamon Red Hots in a Cartomizer – it will gunk it up. I’ve read that Citrus will eventually crack ANY Plastic Tank, and my Distributor has already told me that at least one customer has had problems with Cinnamon Red Hots in the Vivi Nova. These things are what prompted the Glass Tube Design. I guess the Metal Tanks are OK, but I’ve had problems with Atomizers burning out with some other Tank Designs when they ran out of Juice, so I really wanted the Clear Tank to be able to monitor it, and Glass seemed to be the only way to get something that will last.

I wrote to OCD at IBTanked about the comment that The Ocelot made. That was a few days ago, and I haven’t heard back. I may look him up on the IBTanked web site and try again. You may want to do it too. If it was only a thought of his, then the more people that ask about his Glass Tube for the Vivi Nova, the more likely he will be to actually make one.

I’m going to have to move (or copy) this thing to the Tanks section, where it will be better noticed. Maybe I’ll concentrate on doing that tomorrow. I’ve also considered trying to find the Vision web site, where I could submit it to them directly. So far when I looked for them, all I got was loads of E-Cig Vendors selling the Vision Products. Gotta go “Left Brain” again to figure out how to find them. The “Right Brain” flow ain’t cutting it. Maybe I can find them on ECF under Suppliers. I’ll figure it out.

Thanks again,

100%VG

 

[100%VG]

Hi 100% VG,

What do you call an engineer that doesn't over design?... Out of work : ) I worked in construction for 19 years in NYC, 10 years as a project manager, and as far as I'm concerned EVERY engineer over designs, but that's what they're paid to do... think of every possible scenario and account for it and not break the bank in the process. There was usually a happy medium between what the engineer specified and what the architects, contractors, subcontractors and suppliers thought would be practical, but more often than not, the engineer was always right.

So with that said, I LOVE your concept, and I'm just left brained enough to understand it. I've been vaping for 3 weeks now and use Red Hot Cinnamon in a metal mini vivi nova. I've since ordered the larger metal tank as well as what MAY BE a colored polypropylene tank. It's not frosted, so I have my doubts that is, but will test it out.

I was also hoping that IBTanked could fabricate something that's compatible with the vivi nova system. I've not used a cartomizer before, and don't plan to in the near future, so I would definitely hope your concept is considered. It might need to be tweaked some, but certainly an outstanding idea and definitely something I would purchase when it hits the market.

Hello again,

I did not get the notification that OCD of IBTanked has responded to my question. He said that, considering how Cheap the Vivi Nova is, and how Complicated any design he has come up with for it is, he has deemed it Too Expensive to create. He apologized profusely, but I fully understand the complexities, and since Glass cannot hold Threads, it would just be too much for him to be able to create Affordably for others. So, we'll all have to wait for Vision, or someone, to pick up this Glass Tube Design of mine.

100%VG

 

[NYC Kid 223]

Hiya 100% VG,

Well, shoot. I've read nothing but good things about IBTanked on ECF and God love him for at least trying. I also understand his cost concerns considering how expensive some glass tanks can be. Maybe if I had started vaping with cartomizers to begin with, I would have considered getting one of his tanks, but alas, I've been spoiled. I can't imagine dripping AT ALL.

I too was unable to find Vision on the web. Maybe one of the vendors that sells genuine Vision products might be able to assist you. I got a couple of knock off Stardusts at my local flea market and even though I was careful not to overfill them, they still leaked at the bottom with a 50/50 PG/VG mix. I'm going 100% VG all the way from now on... er, um, you know what I mean... I started getting a rash, nothing unbearable though. After a lil research I learned that it was probably the PG causing it. When I'm running low on my current stock of e-liquid, I plan on ordering 100% VG and see how that goes. I also spoke with Kitty at Virgin Vapors and she said I could always include in the notes that I'm using a tank system so Annette can thin/adjust her formula for me. I didn't have any problems using the metal mini vivi nova with VV's Red Hot Cinnamon. I held a small mag lite between my teeth and used 2 medicine droppers' worth of liquid and that seemed to reach to just under the condom cap. When it "felt" like I was ready to refill, I used most of 2 droppers' worth again, reserving a lil in the 2nd dropper to prevent flooding the tank. It gurgled a lil bit, but after unscrewing the top cap and dipping the end of a tissue into the center hole and rinsing out the drip tip and thoroughly drying before I replaced it fixed that right up. I don't consider that a problem, since that, to me, is user error, not a product defect... well, except for the whole ya can't see through it dealie... ; )

Check out the design of the Smok Titan on Got Vapes - GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more The Titan has a metal on metal connection and it's a polyp frosted tank. They also carry the Vision Grande, but currently out of stock. I wasn't that keen on the Grande's setup. Way too much work for me to fill and clean (remember, I'm spoiled) compared to the Vivi Nova, but it might be something that interests you until the glass option is available.

Wishing you well in finding Vision and/or a manufacturer that can help in this endeavor. And if you do have any luck, please let me know!

Kid

 

[100%VG]

Hiya 100% VG,

Well, shoot. I've read nothing but good things about IBTanked on ECF and God love him for at least trying. I also understand his cost concerns considering how expensive some glass tanks can be. Maybe if I had started vaping with cartomizers to begin with, I would have considered getting one of his tanks, but alas, I've been spoiled. I can't imagine dripping AT ALL.

I too was unable to find Vision on the web. Maybe one of the vendors that sells genuine Vision products might be able to assist you. I got a couple of knock off Stardusts at my local flea market and even though I was careful not to overfill them, they still leaked at the bottom with a 50/50 PG/VG mix. I'm going 100% VG all the way from now on... er, um, you know what I mean... I started getting a rash, nothing unbearable though. After a lil research I learned that it was probably the PG causing it. When I'm running low on my current stock of e-liquid, I plan on ordering 100% VG and see how that goes. I also spoke with Kitty at Virgin Vapors and she said I could always include in the notes that I'm using a tank system so Annette can thin/adjust her formula for me. I didn't have any problems using the metal mini vivi nova with VV's Red Hot Cinnamon. I held a small mag lite between my teeth and used 2 medicine droppers' worth of liquid and that seemed to reach to just under the condom cap. When it "felt" like I was ready to refill, I used most of 2 droppers' worth again, reserving a lil in the 2nd dropper to prevent flooding the tank. It gurgled a lil bit, but after unscrewing the top cap and dipping the end of a tissue into the center hole and rinsing out the drip tip and thoroughly drying before I replaced it fixed that right up. I don't consider that a problem, since that, to me, is user error, not a product defect... well, except for the whole ya can't see through it dealie... ; )

Check out the design of the Smok Titan on Got Vapes - GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more The Titan has a metal on metal connection and it's a polyp frosted tank. They also carry the Vision Grande, but currently out of stock. I wasn't that keen on the Grande's setup. Way too much work for me to fill and clean (remember, I'm spoiled) compared to the Vivi Nova, but it might be something that interests you until the glass option is available.

Wishing you well in finding Vision and/or a manufacturer that can help in this endeavor. And if you do have any luck, please let me know!

Kid

Hey Kid,

I sent in a response to the FDA thing that was listed here on ECF, and I was contacted by an EFC Official about participating with him. I accepted, of course, and in my answer I asked him to look at this Vivi Nova Tank Post, saying that I’d like to get it to Vision. Maybe he can help me contact them. If not, I’ll ask my E-Cig Distributor.

When I first got my Vivi Nova, I was using a VG/PG Mix I had purchased in town (before I mixed my own 100% VG), and it leaked from the bottom. A Reviewer on the web site I bought it from said not to tighten it too much, so I was cautious at first, but when I cranked it down better, that fixed the leaks. I cannot speak directly to the Stardust, but it screws together too, so maybe you just need to tighten it better for 50/50.

I’ve heard of allergic reactions to PG, so apparently 50/50 was too much PG for you. However, 100% VG is very Thick, and does not Wick as well as an 80/20 or 70/30 VG/PG Mix. I have been using 100% VG in my Vivi Nova Tank, and while it Wicks 100% VG, it will only do so until about ½ Tank – then even Tipping doesn’t help, so I have to top it off, or I start getting Dry/Hot hits. I knew this would probably be the case, so I am very happy that it Wicks as well as it does. So better Wicks, for a Larger Tank, are my goal in this design.

But, I have to warn you that by switching to 100% VG, you are probably going to lose much of the Throat Hit you may have become accustomed to with 50/50. VG has great Vapor, and PG has great Throat Hit. A combination gives both. Since 50/50 was too much for you, you may want to consider 70/30 VG/PG, or 80/20, or even 90/10 or 95/5, which you’d probably have to have made especially for you, as 90/10 and 95/5 are not common. Having a little PG in your Mix will continue to give you the TH. But if you have a VV or VW device, you can adjust for less PG, or Zero PG, by cranking up the Voltage, or Wattage, to get your TH.

OK, this next part is long, but consider this . . .

If you are the DIY type, I’d like to tell you about My Freedom Smokes (MFS), in Charlotte, NC. You can purchase Bulk Quantities of US Pharmaceutical Grade 100% VG (Base), and Unflavored 100% VG Nicotine (in 24, 36, 48, 60, or 100 mg strengths) and Mix your own, at Crazy Cheap Prices. These are extremely High Quality, Highly Pure E-Liquid products, and many E-Liquid producers get their supplies from MFS, so why not make your own?

I bought 36mg Unflavored, and mixed it 50/50 with USP to make 18mg, and it’s 100% VG. You can purchase and add a percentage of no-Nic PG for Thinning, or TH, and you can buy really good Flavorings there, too, and all at Crazy Cheap Prices. Nothing against Virgin Vapor, but 60ml is going to cost you at least $40. For $26 you could buy 250ml of USP 100% VG Base, and 250ml of Unflavored 100% VG 36mg Nic, and make 500ml of 18mg 100% VG. You can buy the USP Base in 100% PG, or 100% VG, and you can buy the Unflavored Nic Juice in 100% PG, 100% VG, or a 75/25, 50/50, or 25/75 Mix. 24mg is the weakest for Bulk that they sell, so you’d probably need to Cut it also, but 50/50 like I did using 24mg would produce 12mg, and you can adjust it according to your mg requirements (detailed later), so Hey. I bought 36mg so I could mix all of it making 18mg.

I’d really be interested in tasting a Virgin Vapor Flavor blend in their Absolute Virgin Vapor line, made with Organic Flavorings, but after my very recent layout for a Joyetech eVic, a Spare 2600 mAh Battery, a Vivi Nova and Atomizer Replacement Heads, Mixing Supplies, and Bulk E-Liquids at MFS, and I didn’t get an External Battery Charger yet, this Virgin Vapor experience will have to wait for a while (sorry to have to admit that). I actually found Virgin Vapor before I found MFS, but when I saw the MFS Prices on Bulk E-Liquids, and after being able to see the Analyzer Data showing the Purity of the Nicotine Liquids, there was nothing else to think about.

I don’t know if MFS carries any 100% Organic Flavorings (haven’t looked into that yet), but they do carry many Flavorings, in 3 brands, that you can purchase in Bulk, too. Otherwise, you can probably find Organic Flavorings in Bulk elsewhere. Is it obvious that I’m something of a Purist? But why not, if you can find Pure, Clean Products? It’s My lungs and body, and you’ve already experienced what too much PG can do. And I’ll even go so far as to say that it may not have been the PG that caused your Reaction. It could have been extra Junk in the Mix you bought. Just sayin’… Hey, nobody is going to take better care of you than You!!!

Please excuse my little Rant. Moving on…

If you need your E-Liquid Thinned, so it doesn’t Clog your Tank System (for something like an eGo-T/C, some Clearomizers, or a Cartomizer), you can use 5% by volume of Distilled Water, or an Alcohol like Everclear, Bacardi 151, or a Flavored Vodka. It has been pointed out on the Internet that using Distilled Water for Thinning, even at only 5%, can cause problems. The Water can attract and/or carry Bacteria, can have Leached Poisons from the Plastic Jug, and Water can accommodate the formation and growth of Mold, Fungus, and other Nasties, so this is really something to consider. Therefore, even though it veers from a 100% Pure Theme, a really high-alcohol-content product like Everclear (PGA aka Pure Grain Alcohol) or Bacardi 151 can be much better as a Thinning Agent. Rum is actually a somewhat Secret Ingredient in the Marlboro Tobacco Blends, so Bacardi 151 could be a good choice. If you are going to add any Flavorings, you might be able to find a complimentary Flavored Vodka to use. The Internet is Full of this talk, along with actual recipes that people have used, with which Flavored Vodka.

Adding multiple items to a Mix can really complicate how much of each to ingredient use, so a really good DIY E-Liquid Recipe Mixing Calculator can be found online. I use . . .

DIY Simple E-Liquid (E-Juice) Recipe Calculator
Simple E-Liquid (E-Juice) Recipe Calculator

and

DIY E-Liquid (E-Juice) Recipe Mixing Calculator
Ten Flavor's Plus PG/VG Percent Adjusting
E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavor's Plus PG/VG Adjusting

The 1st one lets you blend Unflavored Nicotine in 100% VG or PG at a particular Nicotine mg level (you enter it) with USP 100% PG or VG Base, a % of Water/Vodka/PGA for Thinning of 100% VG, and one Flavor. You select the desired mix Nicotine level, and the desired mix Quantity, and the Calculator tells you what amounts of each ingredient to Mix. You can make 100% VG with Thinning and a Flavor with this Simple Calculator.

The 2nd one lets you design a VG/PG Mix with a % of Water/Vodka/PGA for Thinning (probably not necessary if PG is added), and up to 10 different Flavorings. This Calculator is much more complex. You can start with 100% VG Nicotine, add 100% USP PG Base (or Visa Versa), selecting your desired VG/PG Mix, and add Thinning (included for a 100% VG Mix), and up to 10 Flavorings.

You can even Name and Save your Custom Blends for easy retrieval at a later date on this web site, by Naming it online and saving it into your Favorites.

There are other Calculators available on this DIY E-Liquid (E-Juice) Mixing Station! website, and across the Internet, but these two were all I cared about. You could use the 2nd one to make your own 85/15, 90/10, or 95/5 VG/PG, with products you purchase from some place like MFS. The beauty of the 2nd one is that adding more Flavorings will dilute the Mix, so this Calculator adjusts the Unflavored 100% Nicotine UP as more things are added, to maintain your desired end mix Nicotine level.

There are more specifics about Good Use practices listed on the web site, for Safety, and better Precision in Measurement abilities in the third link above.

How’s that for options, Kid? Again, nothing against Virgin Vapor, or anyone else, but with a couple of 150ml Beakers (the 100ml Beakers are not marked up to 100ml, or at least mine was only marked to 80ml), a couple of empty 250ml Amber Glass Bottles for storage, and some other well chosen Mixing Supplies, like Syringes for measuring and adding the Flavorings (forget Funnels and Cylinders for these quantities), you could make 8 month’s worth of E-Liquid (based on 60ml per month) for that same $40, and have the Mixing Supplies for later use, being able to do the same thing for only $26 next time. I’d recommend the Glass Beakers over the Plastic ones.

You could play around with the Calculator to decide what quantities of which E-Liquids and Flavorings to purchase, before you buy them. The cost of the Unflavored Nicotine from MFS is actually well adjusted as the Nic mg level goes up – i.e., the cost of 100mg in a quantity is less than 4X that of 24mg, at only about 82% in the 250ml quantity, so the price actually gets cheaper as the mg’s go up. Your Mixed E-Liquid could be safely stored (without spoiling) in the refrigerator for 2 years, so just don’t purchase too much at any one time. MFS has all of this stuff. And their prices on Everything are competitive.

Happy Vaping (and Mixing!!!),

100%VG

 

[NYC Kid 223]

Hiya 100% VG,

WOW is all I can say! Funny you should mention MFS... that's where I purchased my ego-c twist starter kit from, as well as a couple of sample liquids AND I picked them up in person as I was going to be in Charlotte the day after I placed the order. Not ideal for small orders since I live about 75 mins. away, but since I was going to be there, I requested that I pick up my order. I had a couple of questions and the receptionist got Dustin for me. He took the time to answer my questions, and a couple of other follow ups. I am hoping MFS opens up a retail store and have considered talking to one of the local flea market dudes about putting together a business plan for opening up a store/vaping lounge in our town. The flea market here is only open on the weekends, he already mixes the liquids himself that he sells (he has the e-juice calculator on his phone) and has a pretty good following already. Not sure who his supplier is, but if a relationship can be established with MFS for bulk orders, it could lead to bigger and better things. A new shopping development is being built that will include a Super Wal-Mart, Chic-Fil-A, Ross Dress for Less and a heap of other well established retailers relocating, so who knows?

As for your "rant"... you are absolutely right! I've spent enough years polluting my health, it's high time I reverse the damage as best as I can. I did think about mixing my own liquids, but that was short lived once I started calculating the costs for glass/pyrex flasks, storage bottles, PG, VG and nicotine. When I win the lottery that I don't play or increase my income, I'll reconsider. My goal is to kick the nic altogether. 18%, 50/50 mix was a lil too harsh for me, so I ordered all my liquids in 12%, 50/50 mix, and still a lil itchy. However, I should mention that I vaped 10 mls of clove liquid my first week, and a 5 ml sample from Orb Vapor, another organic and natural liquid supplier in NJ, the second week. It occurred to me only yesterday that it might be that I'm allergic to cloves or clove oil as well. Only way to find out is more trial and error by lowering the VG concentration instead of switching completely to 100% VG and staying away from cloves for now as a control. One of my attempts to quit smoking regular cigs was to take a few puffs from a Djarum cig since I wasn't inhaling those, but while the behavior of smoking fulfilled the oral fixation, it didn't do much for the nicotine craving. Those never bothered me, so my assumption is it was at a much lower concentration than what was in the liquids I purchased. So you could be dead on about the other junk in my liquid... But I digress...

I can't thank you enough for all the info you provided. It's definitely food for thought and I've copied the info onto my hard drive and printed a copy for easier reference. I didn't know that lil tidbit about distilled water. I was told by the flea market dude to use vodka to thoroughly clean the atty wicks. I could prolly find a neighbor that makes PGA before I hit up the local ABC store for Everclear or 151! My rum of choice is Bacardi Select in the fall/winter months. I usually get "girly" flavored rums in the summer for mojitos. I just purchased a bottle of Rum Chata based on a friend's recommendation. Now if I could vape that stuff, WHOO HOO! I seriously thought about filling a new tank with it... I describe it as an R rated version of Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal, one of my faves. Digressing again...

As for the Stardusts, I was going to give them another chance by taking out the attys, filling with maple syrup, thinning with plain ole tap water if necessary, and setting em on a paper towel to determine if they leak or not. In fairness, I never did take them apart after I unwrapped them, so it might not have been properly assembled. If they work, it'll be handy to have on the go. I was thinking of getting a mini batt for stealth vaping, but alas, my bank account is not cooperating with me either. The really sad thing is I was plunking down nearly $10 a pack in NYC and didn't think twice about it before I moved to NC, where I can buy 3 packs for the same amount. Marlboros are now $4 a pack and I'm hearing folks say they hafta quit before it climbs to $5.

I received an order from Vapor Alley today of a tinted red tube, a solid metal tube and 2 STV tubes, all 3.5 mls. I goofed a lil with the STVs... I thought they were a sleeve that fit over the vivi nova even though it was clearly stated they are a replacement tube. I have extra drip tips already, but I might need to invest in a couple more bases and caps for the STV's. I can at least color code now. It is my understanding that the plastic in the STV is polyc, so there may be some risk of leaching, so I'll be extra careful what liquids I put in those.

I am testing my VV Red Hot Cinnamon in the red tinted tube, only filled halfway and rolled around so the wicks would saturate faster. Supposedly, the colored tubes, as well as the clear one, is a polyp/polyc mix since polyp would be too soft a material to interact with metal threads. I read that on some supplier's website that had contacted the manufacturer... so taking that with a HUGE grain of salt. I accidentally closed the window before I could email the supplier, but I'll search for em again. I assembled the base, atty, cap and drip tip myself and no leaks so far. After a few hours, I couldn't resist vaping, and it's fabo with a 1.8 ohm atty at 3.8 volts. the vape is HOT, but I'm digging it. I've heard everything from melted drip tips to cracked tubes with cinnamon, but can't recall how long it took to cause that kind of damage. At the first sign of any kind of compromise, including leaks, I will discontinue use. I have the flea market dude's sample of cinnamon and he swears he's never had any problems or complaints with it in plastic tubes. His cinnamon tasted like a freshly ground stick and I was thinking a few drops of it would be a good addition to a coffee flavored liquid... or I'll save it until I begin my venture into DIY and create my own Rum Chata flavor.

I actually came on here to tell ya I had no luck finding Vision's website, lol... the TWO sites I saw had all the same contact info, logos, products, etc. but when you try to "add to cart" you get re-directed to a very different page.

Thanks again for all the info and advice, it's very much appreciated. I know it will be helpful to many that stumble onto this thread (once they get thru our rants and ramblings ). Right-brainers unite!

Kid

 

[100%VG]

Hiya 100% VG,

WOW is all I can say! Funny you should mention MFS... that's where I purchased my ego-c twist starter kit from, as well as a couple of sample liquids AND I picked them up in person as I was going to be in Charlotte the day after I placed the order. Not ideal for small orders since I live about 75 mins. away, but since I was going to be there, I requested that I pick up my order. I had a couple of questions and the receptionist got Dustin for me. He took the time to answer my questions, and a couple of other follow ups. I am hoping MFS opens up a retail store and have considered talking to one of the local flea market dudes about putting together a business plan for opening up a store/vaping lounge in our town. The flea market here is only open on the weekends, he already mixes the liquids himself that he sells (he has the e-juice calculator on his phone) and has a pretty good following already. Not sure who his supplier is, but if a relationship can be established with MFS for bulk orders, it could lead to bigger and better things. A new shopping development is being built that will include a Super Wal-Mart, Chic-Fil-A, Ross Dress for Less and a heap of other well established retailers relocating, so who knows?

As for your "rant"... you are absolutely right! I've spent enough years polluting my health, it's high time I reverse the damage as best as I can. I did think about mixing my own liquids, but that was short lived once I started calculating the costs for glass/pyrex flasks, storage bottles, PG, VG and nicotine. When I win the lottery that I don't play or increase my income, I'll reconsider. My goal is to kick the nic altogether. 18%, 50/50 mix was a lil too harsh for me, so I ordered all my liquids in 12%, 50/50 mix, and still a lil itchy. However, I should mention that I vaped 10 mls of clove liquid my first week, and a 5 ml sample from Orb Vapor, another organic and natural liquid supplier in NJ, the second week. It occurred to me only yesterday that it might be that I'm allergic to cloves or clove oil as well. Only way to find out is more trial and error by lowering the VG concentration instead of switching completely to 100% VG and staying away from cloves for now as a control. One of my attempts to quit smoking regular cigs was to take a few puffs from a Djarum cig since I wasn't inhaling those, but while the behavior of smoking fulfilled the oral fixation, it didn't do much for the nicotine craving. Those never bothered me, so my assumption is it was at a much lower concentration than what was in the liquids I purchased. So you could be dead on about the other junk in my liquid... But I digress...

I can't thank you enough for all the info you provided. It's definitely food for thought and I've copied the info onto my hard drive and printed a copy for easier reference. I didn't know that lil tidbit about distilled water. I was told by the flea market dude to use vodka to thoroughly clean the atty wicks. I could prolly find a neighbor that makes PGA before I hit up the local ABC store for Everclear or 151! My rum of choice is Bacardi Select in the fall/winter months. I usually get "girly" flavored rums in the summer for mojitos. I just purchased a bottle of Rum Chata based on a friend's recommendation. Now if I could vape that stuff, WHOO HOO! I seriously thought about filling a new tank with it... I describe it as an R rated version of Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal, one of my faves. Digressing again...

As for the Stardusts, I was going to give them another chance by taking out the attys, filling with maple syrup, thinning with plain ole tap water if necessary, and setting em on a paper towel to determine if they leak or not. In fairness, I never did take them apart after I unwrapped them, so it might not have been properly assembled. If they work, it'll be handy to have on the go. I was thinking of getting a mini batt for stealth vaping, but alas, my bank account is not cooperating with me either. The really sad thing is I was plunking down nearly $10 a pack in NYC and didn't think twice about it before I moved to NC, where I can buy 3 packs for the same amount. Marlboros are now $4 a pack and I'm hearing folks say they hafta quit before it climbs to $5.

I received an order from Vapor Alley today of a tinted red tube, a solid metal tube and 2 STV tubes, all 3.5 mls. I goofed a lil with the STVs... I thought they were a sleeve that fit over the vivi nova even though it was clearly stated they are a replacement tube. I have extra drip tips already, but I might need to invest in a couple more bases and caps for the STV's. I can at least color code now. It is my understanding that the plastic in the STV is polyc, so there may be some risk of leaching, so I'll be extra careful what liquids I put in those.

I am testing my VV Red Hot Cinnamon in the red tinted tube, only filled halfway and rolled around so the wicks would saturate faster. Supposedly, the colored tubes, as well as the clear one, is a polyp/polyc mix since polyp would be too soft a material to interact with metal threads. I read that on some supplier's website that had contacted the manufacturer... so taking that with a HUGE grain of salt. I accidentally closed the window before I could email the supplier, but I'll search for em again. I assembled the base, atty, cap and drip tip myself and no leaks so far. After a few hours, I couldn't resist vaping, and it's fabo with a 1.8 ohm atty at 3.8 volts. the vape is HOT, but I'm digging it. I've heard everything from melted drip tips to cracked tubes with cinnamon, but can't recall how long it took to cause that kind of damage. At the first sign of any kind of compromise, including leaks, I will discontinue use. I have the flea market dude's sample of cinnamon and he swears he's never had any problems or complaints with it in plastic tubes. His cinnamon tasted like a freshly ground stick and I was thinking a few drops of it would be a good addition to a coffee flavored liquid... or I'll save it until I begin my venture into DIY and create my own Rum Chata flavor.

I actually came on here to tell ya I had no luck finding Vision's website, lol... the TWO sites I saw had all the same contact info, logos, products, etc. but when you try to "add to cart" you get re-directed to a very different page.

Thanks again for all the info and advice, it's very much appreciated. I know it will be helpful to many that stumble onto this thread (once they get thru our rants and ramblings ). Right-brainers unite!

Kid

Hi Kid

Why am I not surprised that you are close to MFS? Your NYC tag had me envisioning your driving your rig along some northern Interstate, coast to coast just below Canada, from NYC to Washington, Chain-Vaping the whole way. North Carolina is a lot closer to me, in Louisiana.

OK, I'm glad my comments were helpful, but I still say that if you're going to spend $40 on 60ml of liquid from Virgin Vapor (or anywhere else), you could spend that same money at MFS, buy the very few Mixing Products mentioned (included in that $40), and make 500ml of 12mg Juice, using the 24mg 100% VG Unflavored Nic Liquid. You could make your own 100% VG and get away from the PG all together. Then, after your Allergic Reactions are all cleared up, you could try adding a little Cloves (or whatever) yourself, a little at a time, and test your Reactions without PG in the mix. Spend a little time at Best Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - MyFreedomSmokes.com and look through the prices on these items. Then, you'd only have to buy the Liquids for $26 (or even less using 24mg) to repeat the process the next time. But that's me.

Chris at MFS has already told me that his Cinnamon Red Hots will cause problems with the Vivi Nova Tank (per Customer's Comments). This Vivi Nova V3 Tank has improved plastic over previous versions, so Cinnamon Red Hots will probably damage your Clearomizers, too. Just be aware of that. Or save yourself the destroyed equipment in the first place. The only uneventful way to use Citrus and Cinnamon Red Hots is either in a Metal Tank, or a Glass Tank, with a metal Drip Tip. The only thing you're likely to have an issue with this way might be O-Rings.

As for contacting Vision, I'll wait a little while to hear back from the ECF guy, and then maybe ask Chris or Dustin at MFS about it.

Best of Luck, and Drive Safe (No Chain-Vaping - you'll get Hyper!!! LOL)

100%VG

 

[NYC Kid 223]

Hey 100% VG,

I grew up in Flushing, home of the NY Mets and the US Tennis Open. A 5 minute bike ride to Flushing Meadows and I was in my "backyard". The only time I've rooted for the Mets was in 1986 and that was only because I hated the Red Sox more. ; )

I was just talking with a friend about mixing and bottling my own liquids. She began vaping a week before me and went from a pack and a day to less than 5 cigs and that's what inspired me. She took her daughter and me to our flea market and the rest is history...

She burned out a couple of her 1.8 ohm attys and I gave her my spare 2.4 and 2.8 ones, but they didn't work right either. She got a couple of disposables and it's satisfying her cravings. She has no desire to go back to smoking, and if she vapes again, it will be at 0 nic or something much lighter than 18mg, so mixing my own may be inevitable as well as cost efficient. She has another friend that uses only organic and natural flavorings in her cooking and baking, and I can some essences and oils at my local Nature's Bounty. I did DIY my own flea repellent spray for my dogs and furniture using supplies I bought last summer. One of my two maltese/yorkie terrirer lost most of his hair on his back quarter and legs. The vet said he might be having an allergic reaction to the flea meds and after researching the cheapest meds possible, I spent a quarter of that on a home made, all natural solution. It was oily, but he smelled great and no more fleas after a month and a half of treating both dogs.

I did check out MFS's site again and I'm calculating what it will cost to DIY vs. vendor purchases. I might just bite the bullet next month and make the investment. As much as I love the Cinnamon, I can vape it all day, but with less frequency than I do with fruitier or milder flavors, so what I have should last me thru the month. Next month I can experiment. Will keep you posted via PM when I do.

No problems with the V3, BTW, but I didn't refill it tho, and opted to use the all metal tube instead. Why throw out $3 if I don't hafta? At least I can give an honest opinion if someone on the forums asks about the V3's sturdiness. 48 hours may not prove to be a long enough experiment, but it certainly didn't melt the drip tip or crack the tank after a day of use. I also switched to an anodized drip tip with the all metal tank.

Continued luck with finding Vision. If you need any prototype testers in the future, please keep me in mind!

And are you saying if I chain vape in the car I'll go into hyperdrive?!? boldy go and all that?!? ha! sorry, couldn't resist. (Resistance is futile!) Ok, ok, I got it all out of my system now...

Be well and happy vaping to you, too!

Kid

 

[Thrasher]

well since no one is interested in answering your emails , time to do it yourself.

http://www.thomasnet.com/

 

[100%VG]

Hey 100% VG,

I grew up in Flushing, home of the NY Mets and the US Tennis Open. A 5 minute bike ride to Flushing Meadows and I was in my "backyard". The only time I've rooted for the Mets was in 1986 and that was only because I hated the Red Sox more. ; )

I was just talking with a friend about mixing and bottling my own liquids. She began vaping a week before me and went from a pack and a day to less than 5 cigs and that's what inspired me. She took her daughter and me to our flea market and the rest is history...

She burned out a couple of her 1.8 ohm attys and I gave her my spare 2.4 and 2.8 ones, but they didn't work right either. She got a couple of disposables and it's satisfying her cravings. She has no desire to go back to smoking, and if she vapes again, it will be at 0 nic or something much lighter than 18mg, so mixing my own may be inevitable as well as cost efficient. She has another friend that uses only organic and natural flavorings in her cooking and baking, and I can some essences and oils at my local Nature's Bounty. I did DIY my own flea repellent spray for my dogs and furniture using supplies I bought last summer. One of my two maltese/yorkie terrirer lost most of his hair on his back quarter and legs. The vet said he might be having an allergic reaction to the flea meds and after researching the cheapest meds possible, I spent a quarter of that on a home made, all natural solution. It was oily, but he smelled great and no more fleas after a month and a half of treating both dogs.

I did check out MFS's site again and I'm calculating what it will cost to DIY vs. vendor purchases. I might just bite the bullet next month and make the investment. As much as I love the Cinnamon, I can vape it all day, but with less frequency than I do with fruitier or milder flavors, so what I have should last me thru the month. Next month I can experiment. Will keep you posted via PM when I do.

No problems with the V3, BTW, but I didn't refill it tho, and opted to use the all metal tube instead. Why throw out $3 if I don't hafta? At least I can give an honest opinion if someone on the forums asks about the V3's sturdiness. 48 hours may not prove to be a long enough experiment, but it certainly didn't melt the drip tip or crack the tank after a day of use. I also switched to an anodized drip tip with the all metal tank.

Continued luck with finding Vision. If you need any prototype testers in the future, please keep me in mind!

And are you saying if I chain vape in the car I'll go into hyperdrive?!? boldy go and all that?!? ha! sorry, couldn't resist. (Resistance is futile!) Ok, ok, I got it all out of my system now...

Be well and happy vaping to you, too!

Kid

Hey Kid,

Great Post! Funny!!!

Yup, it's hard to even consider going back to Cigarettes after you've found a viable alternative. And I'm glad that you friend is going to use them like this - to quit Nicotine altogether. Most people don't, but the Zero Nic option is a good one. Personally, I didn't smoke Cigarettes in the house, and having to go outside, I'd only smoke about ½ a Cig on the porch and go back inside. I'd finish that Cig later, and was only smoking about ½ a pack a day like that. Since I can smoke anywhere now, I’m actually Vaping more, but I have cut back on that, too.

I’ve had my share of problems getting to a quality E-Cig that just works, and works well. That knock-off, no-name, non-Joyetech eGo-T I had finally burned up both Batteries and an Atomizer, so I’ve had to resort to Cigarettes for short periods while not having an E-Cig that worked – YUK!!! So NASTY!!! And Stink… Just having one Cig makes me stink like an Ash Tray.

Yup – HyperDrive (I Love Sci-Fi). While testing and isolating bad eGo-T parts, and playing with Everclear to Thin an E-Liquid so it wouldn’t clog my eGo-T, I’ve overdone it a time or two (or three ), and you can get a bad case of the Jitters if you over-do it. We’ve probably all experienced that. While having preliminary problems with that eGo-T (before it burned up and destroyed itself), I had one Atomizer that was burning very Hot, and that Vapor seemed to be really Charged Up, making me High from it. Continued use would Zapp me pretty bad. Scotty!!! ...? Beam me Up!!!

Then, while playing with the Voltage Range on the eVic, to find my Sweet Spot, I found that Higher Voltages did something similar. As the Vapor got hotter and hotter, it seemed to get more and more Charged Up. I’m not sure how that works, but it’s an interesting phenomenon. Where’s Scotty when you need him? Probably off on Nigel 3 on Shore Leave. Picard would never stand for that. So I decided to stay with 3.3 Volts, because my 100% VG is Sweet and Cool there. But like I said, for more TH (if TH is Heat), you can turn up the Voltage some. I don’t need that Burn. Or you can add some PG into the Mix for more TH, although you’d have to be careful there.

I really think that once you start mixing your own E-Liquid, you’ll enjoy having that Control. And it costs so much less to make it yourself. Just don’t count on Scotty to be around to help you. And Bones is just a Country Doctor, so, nah, just leave him alone. That’s why they call it DIY!!! But there’s lots of good advice on the Internet.

I think I had you confused with someone who replied to another thread. I was thinking you were a Trucker. I really wish that I could machine my own metal and make this Vivi Nova Tank Mod myself. If I could, I’d certainly send you the first Prototype.

I got a reply from Thrasher with what looks like a link to help me find Vision for myself, so I’m going to jump on that.

Best of Luck to you,

100%VG