VVPV - Any way to get a cooler vape?

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MarcK73

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Got my VVPV (YAY!) and I really like it! I now have 2 NotCigs PV's and I'm really appreciating the design of your products!

Anyway, I usually use cartomizers, and in fact I'm using one on the VVPV now. I tried an atomizer again tonight with the drip tip accessory (finally found an o-ring that kind of fit it but is still a little bit loose) and my own ming-style drip tip, but it's like the vapor is too hot or something and both my GF and I both kept coughing due to a tickling sensation in the back of our throats no matter what voltage we used. Is that common and something that one gets used to, or is there a product like those donut shaped drip tips that would help to cool the vapor down?

Oh, and in case I need to just keep using cartos, does anyone know where to buy good quality SR cartos that are shorter than the standard Boge ones so they don't stick up so high?

Thanks! :)


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Do you have a volt meter to check your voltage? Unless you are using a LR atty or carto, you should be able to get a cooler vape just from lowering the voltage.

Cartomizers, Page 6 has the shorty cartos in 2.5 and 3.2ohm.I've never tried them but at least I found some that aren't LR :)

Thanks Bovinia! Those cartos look perfect although I might wait and try the atty again based on the other replies. Oh, and as far as the voltage suggestion I tried it with a LR 2.0ohm hybrid atty with the voltage turned all the way down (since it was LR) and also with my SR 3.0ohm Thermovape AVA atty and it happened with that as well at the lowest voltage possible to get halfway decent vapor, which was actually pretty high for some reason on that ceramic atty.
 

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Guy, often that hot, burning back of the throat is caused by an atty that's not wet enough. There is a fine dance with an atty and it takes practice. What kind of atty are you using???

Sounds like youre not getting atty wet enough.


Thanks guys! Based upon that I'll definitely try again, but might have to stick with cartos for work and then switch to an atty at home to practice. Besides using a Thermovape AVA atty for dripping to try new juices (SO easy to clean!) I have almost no atty experience. I tried a hybrid 2.0ohm atty that came with my Vmod XL (with the voltage way down of course) and a SR 3.0ohm AVA atty.
 

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You've gotten good answers on cooling your vape down and a good recommendation for shorty cartos.

That leaves the O-ring.

#47 11/32 OD X 7/32 ID X 1/16 Danco part #96761 available from just about any hardware store. I got mine from Home Depot.

That one is the best fit to the VVPV drip tip adapter.

Thanks so much!!! No offense to NotCigs but that whistle-tip one that's included bugs me and I had to use the o-ring from my Knucklehead adjustable drip tip. Will definitely order a couple today! Do all of them not come with an o-ring or just mine?
 
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I think Lorrie forgets to put the o ring on some of them PG. We work that poor woman's ... off :( And yeah, the whistle tip...sucks lol. I have been trying to get Mike to carry at least just some basic decent drip tips for a long time. He is so busy with his main business right now that he barely has time to hear me ;)

I'm also not ruling out the possibility that you may have a wonky VVPV. Try running the voltage wheel all the way back and forth 10 or 20 times. Then fire up your atty or carto and see if you get any difference in how the voltages seems. Hard to check it without a meter.
 

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Keep 'em wet, PG. I'm running a 1.5 HH and am even getting a nice cool vape right aound the green mark. I also have some 2.5 306 atty's which seem to vape even cooler. There is a learning curve with attys, especially after you're used to the long 5 second draw on cartos. Attys need a shorter,harder draw than cartos because they need the vacuum.

Throw on a drip shield and you won't have to worry as much about flooding while getting the hang of it. Take a draw without pressing the fire button and if you get a little bit of gurgling, it's filled enough.

Can't wait for my little flask-o-joy to get back from the Buzzpital. Best :censored: thing out there since,blah,blah,whatever. :p
 

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If a carto is okay, odds are good that the basic vvpv is fine.

Dry hit, as others mentioned, sounds posSible, getting the feed rate down can take time. That is why I use the gratefulvaper sleeve and an empire drip shield with the io6; with this setup it is safe to pretty heavily flood the beast, the ds acts like a catch cup.

(Time for another plug to use a sealed adapter with vvpv. I use a sealed 901/510, the main vvpv connector stays perfectly dry. Between feeder and atty a sealed adapter is very important.

On my buzz pro I use a native 801 top, no adapter, to vape a fusion/m1a1 carto tank combo, but that m1a1 is a superbly sealed leak-free tank, and the fusions are a very consistent carto that I punch myself. I average a drop a day visible on the top cap, fast clean, nothing like the flooding scenario with atties.)
 

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I think Lorrie forgets to put the o ring on some of them PG. We work that poor woman's ... off :( And yeah, the whistle tip...sucks lol. I have been trying to get Mike to carry at least just some basic decent drip tips for a long time. He is so busy with his main business right now that he barely has time to hear me ;)

I'm also not ruling out the possibility that you may have a wonky VVPV. Try running the voltage wheel all the way back and forth 10 or 20 times. Then fire up your atty or carto and see if you get any difference in how the voltages seems. Hard to check it without a meter.

Haha, that makes sense that she forgot and it's not a problem! I ordered the o-rings that six recommended today (didn't have to track them down in person today so found them on Amazon). I thought it was odd that you guys would sell an adapter like that without an o-ring! :)

As markfm said, since everything is fine with the cartos I'm sure that my VVPV is just fine. :) I also have an update on my situation that I'll post below after my replies...
 

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Keep 'em wet, PG. I'm running a 1.5 HH and am even getting a nice cool vape right aound the green mark. I also have some 2.5 306 atty's which seem to vape even cooler. There is a learning curve with attys, especially after you're used to the long 5 second draw on cartos. Attys need a shorter,harder draw than cartos because they need the vacuum.

Throw on a drip shield and you won't have to worry as much about flooding while getting the hang of it. Take a draw without pressing the fire button and if you get a little bit of gurgling, it's filled enough.

Can't wait for my little flask-o-joy to get back from the Buzzpital. Best :censored: thing out there since,blah,blah,whatever. :p

If a carto is okay, odds are good that the basic vvpv is fine.

Dry hit, as others mentioned, sounds posSible, getting the feed rate down can take time. That is why I use the gratefulvaper sleeve and an empire drip shield with the io6; with this setup it is safe to pretty heavily flood the beast, the ds acts like a catch cup.

(Time for another plug to use a sealed adapter with vvpv. I use a sealed 901/510, the main vvpv connector stays perfectly dry. Between feeder and atty a sealed adapter is very important.

On my buzz pro I use a native 801 top, no adapter, to vape a fusion/m1a1 carto tank combo, but that m1a1 is a superbly sealed leak-free tank, and the fusions are a very consistent carto that I punch myself. I average a drop a day visible on the top cap, fast clean, nothing like the flooding scenario with atties.)


Yes, there is definitely a steep learning curve coming from cartos, plus the added learning curve of starting out with an AVA atomizer on top of it! I think that I'm getting the hang of it more after today though, and I can report that the VVPV is fine and it was definitely a malfunction with the part that connects the chair to the VVPV. ;)

I've learned that unlike traditional atomizers the AVA atomizers need a couple of seconds each time for the ceramic plates to reach the proper temp, plus I've learned doing some reading earlier this afternoon (but still much thanks for the tip kempo63!) that I should be taking shorter harder hits with an atty after doing a quick draw first. So basically I was pressing the button, slowly drawing at first to give the AVA 1 or 2 seconds to heat up and then taking my usual 5 second draw on top of that, which was resulting in a 7 second or so draw. So now I've adjusted some and press the button and do the quick sharp draw at the same time to pull the juice in while the AVA is heating up (I just combined the 2 steps since the AVA needs to heat up anyway), then I'm taking a faster 3 second or so draw and finally getting great flavor, tons of vapor and no throat tickle! :)

On the advice of someone else here on ECF I did order a Cisco Spec HH.357 3.0ohm atty today though to try and help lessen the learning curve since the AVA is so different, but as usual by the time it arrives I may not need it at this rate and with all of your help! :)

And also thanks for the advice on the drip shields and connectors, but that's one thing I was thinking ahead on. :) I have a drip shield (middle of the line, not cheap but unfortunately not an Empire one yet), and I actually always use a shorty 510 sealed extension on all of my expensive mods. My Buzz Pro II connector has never even seen anything other than the ....-end of a sealed 510 connector! ;) I am going to have to check out that sleeve though and see what that is, and I was going to get a Good Sense Vapor atty but they're never in stock so I got the Cisco Spec HH.357.

markfm - Haha, I also use the M1A1 Tanks (I have 4 of them) and love them! The only thing I did was ditch the cheap plastic screws that push on the carto too hard and use the nice metal screws from my old Mom and Pop tanks.
 

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Just wanted to say thanks again to everyone for the help! It was working so well last night that I said heck with it and brought it to work with the AVA atomizer in it instead of a carto. :)

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Holy cow! Is it thick juice or does it gunk up the cartos? I diy, and I mix my PG and VG in smaller bottles to make it more manageable. I use a 50/50 base, PG nic, so I would guess by the time I get done, I'm about 70PG/30VG juice. My cartos' worst enemy has been caramel so I've had to change my favorite recipe around a bit to keep it from killing my cartos in a couple of days.
 
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