I fear ducks will now be considered a tobacco product
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It is a ban. They already have cigarettes. Get rid of cigarettes competition,
problem solved. If 99.9% of the products go away 99.9% of the market
will remain? Create a viable vaping market to decimate cigarette sales?
Won't happen. There nothing to keep the boys down on the farm.
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
In three years the cost of the hardware and juice that makes it through the
deeming will make switching from cigarettes prohibitive. After the states get
done with the taxes it's all over. Most everyone living in the North Eastern states
can tell you that. By then the mantra through out the land will be vaping is bad.
Why do you think every other card their playing is the nicotine and the children?
No one can trump those cards. Vaping will be portrayed as worse than smoking
for those very reasons. The vapor doesn't hurt you but the nicotine will irreparably
harm the chillin'. You know it's a lie, I know it's a lie,they know it's a lie. They do not
have to convince us. We have to convince America's Mothers.( that is not a sexist
statement as it is generally true.) They can not wait much longer. Vaping will in the next
five years if left alone not only greatly reduce cigarette smoking even further the
medical impact will be undeniable.(if in fact smoking is responsible for 'all the harm'
that has been attached to it.)
I can conceive of no long term scenario with a thriving vaping market that
would be profitable let alone support extraordinary tax and regulatory burdens.
This is why this, The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
is the single most important element in this argument that every one is ignoring.
This means there will be no new generation of children enslaved to nicotine
addiction. It's medically impossible. To keep their little game viable they need
children getting hooked the old fashioned way,by cigarette smoking.
It is my sincere hope the grandfather date is changed. It will be with extreme
pleasure to spend the 20 or 30 years left of my life watching that soap opera.
Regards
Miike
It is a ban. They already have cigarettes. Get rid of cigarettes competition,
problem solved. If 99.9% of the products go away 99.9% of the market
will remain? Create a viable vaping market to decimate cigarette sales?
Won't happen. There nothing to keep the boys down on the farm.
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
In three years the cost of the hardware and juice that makes it through the
deeming will make switching from cigarettes prohibitive. After the states get
done with the taxes it's all over. Most everyone living in the North Eastern states
can tell you that. By then the mantra through out the land will be vaping is bad.
Why do you think every other card their playing is the nicotine and the children?
No one can trump those cards. Vaping will be portrayed as worse than smoking
for those very reasons. The vapor doesn't hurt you but the nicotine will irreparably
harm the chillin'. You know it's a lie, I know it's a lie,they know it's a lie. They do not
have to convince us. We have to convince America's Mothers.( that is not a sexist
statement as it is generally true.) They can not wait much longer. Vaping will in the next
five years if left alone not only greatly reduce cigarette smoking even further the
medical impact will be undeniable.(if in fact smoking is responsible for 'all the harm'
that has been attached to it.)
I can conceive of no long term scenario with a thriving vaping market that
would be profitable let alone support extraordinary tax and regulatory burdens.
This is why this, The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
is the single most important element in this argument that every one is ignoring.
This means there will be no new generation of children enslaved to nicotine
addiction. It's medically impossible. To keep their little game viable they need
children getting hooked the old fashioned way,by cigarette smoking.
It is my sincere hope the grandfather date is changed. It will be with extreme
pleasure to spend the 20 or 30 years left of my life watching that soap opera.
Regards
Miike
Better.
They OWN the competition. And its profit stream.
These guys play the long game.
Ask anyone with business experience.
You dont make billions a year in bonuses by leaving money on the table.
Okay so its not thw FDA banning them, its big tobacco? And they are gonna spend millions making and marketing overpriced e cigs to get people to not buy them?
Again this isnt how business operates.
Its all about securing profit streams and market dominance.
Honestly don't see the point in Debating is or isn't - It certainly implies an Open System, Advanced Product Removal from the market.(De facto Ban)
FDA Estimates 20-80 PMTA initial applications and possibly 10 per year there after.
Fasttech alone list several Thousand Products,(most available in the US) without the E-liquids list.
Any and ALL Tobacco Products NOT Approved for Sale through PMTA or SE Are, by FDA Regulatory Action, BANNED from Sale in the United States.
You seem to be contradicting your own business sense. This is exactly how you secure "profit streams and market dominance" - you remove the competition. Even if it's by introducing a lousy product no one wants - to insure dominant sales of what you already have.
BT just needs enough sales to make the tax right offs worth while.
Anything after that is icing on the cake. With out cigarette smoke to
addict new customers first e-cigarettes do not make a long term
stable market. If it gets to the point when smoking is gone how
will the business sustain itself when all the new customers are
never smokers? Non-tobacco users do not develop a dependency
to nicotine. We see it in these very forums. Vapers want flavors
and clouds bro. If nicotine was the be all to end all what is all the
flavor and cloud chasing all about? I realize vaping as a whole
has many things going for it but, if nicotine is the key factor
consumption should be going up. Look what happens when one
mixes Red Bull with Yager. Wait until all the FDA's new research
come in. Vaping freon will seem much safer then.
Regards
Mike
Removing competition removes the profit stream.
Thats small time thinking.
BT is much bigger and smarter than that.
Owning your competition is better.
A CEO doesnt get billion dollar bonuses for leaving money on the table.
If BT brings an e cig to market it will prove my point.
Introducing a lousy product is a waste of millions of dollars.
Why waste money when you can collect from the e cig profit stream?
Now they get all the money.
Giftwrapped.
Thanks FDA.
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance. Are we @ the last stage already? That was quick.
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Removing competition maintains your profit stream.
Look how well the cigarette makers grandfathered products
maintained there share of the market. with the exeption
of getting rid of Joe Camel it seems to have worked quite
nicely until e-cigs came along.
Regards
Mike
Removing competition maintains your profit stream.
Look how well the cigarette makers grandfathered products
maintained there share of the market. with the exeption
of getting rid of Joe Camel it seems to have worked quite
nicely until e-cigs came along.
Regards
Mike
Why remove a source of profit when you can have both?
There is no profit in eliminating the competition.
Another will take its place.
BT isnt that stupid.
A business has a single purpose: generate profit for shareholders.
Thats it.
They have no emotion, only a sole purpose.
Owning both sides of the coin is the ultimate win. Total control of the enemy.
Its a ruthless and effective strategy... And obvious.
You guys should read sun tzu.
To maintain both as profitable e-cigs would have to be a small niche market.
They need cigarettes to feed into that market. We have seen evidence it wouldn't work the other way around.
Cigarettes rsturn to traditional market shares with a more expensive secound healthier choice. Think lite beer.
It wont matter if you own both sides if the coin.
That is why former BT and Big Pharma execs now hold positions within the FDA.
Like I said before, they play the long game, and they arent leaving a cent on the table.
I really don't think you get it.
E-cigarettes are in direct competition with their key product: cancer sticks.
If they introduced an e-cigarette that actually works well their market share - and subsequent profit - from their biggest money maker continues to dwindle.
Since it's already known that straight nicotine is far, far less addicting than smoking processed tobacco - eventually their e-cig users become lost revenue as well. New users to e-cigarettes - those not already addicted to smoking - try them and find little point to additional purchases. For those people an e-cigarette is a phase or a whim, not a lifetime addiction based revenue generator.
Now how is this business model working out for ya again?
Have you not learned anything from the "advancement" of electric cars in the US auto industry? Oh yeah - that happened... not in the USA. Why was that?
E-cigarettes are in direct competition with their key product: cancer sticks.
If they introduced an e-cigarette that actually works well their market share - and subsequent profit - from their biggest money maker continues to dwindle.
Since it's already known that straight nicotine is far, far less addicting than smoking processed tobacco - eventually their e-cig users become lost revenue as well. New users to e-cigarettes - those not already addicted to smoking - try them and find little point to additional purchases. For those people an e-cigarette is a phase or a whim, not a lifetime addiction based revenue generator.
Now how is this business model working out for ya again?
Have you not learned anything from the "advancement" of electric cars in the US auto industry? Oh yeah - that happened... not in the USA. Why was that?
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I really don't think you get it.
E-cigarettes are in direct competition with their key product: cancer sticks.
If they introduced an e-cigarette that actually works well their market share - and subsequent profit - from their biggest money maker continues to dwindle.
Since it's already known that straight nicotine is far, far less addicting than smoking processed tobacco - eventually their e-cig users become lost revenue as well. New users to e-cigarettes - those not already addicting to smoking - try them and find little point to additional purchases. For those people an e-cigarette is a phase or a whim, not a lifetime addiction based revenue generator.
Now how is this business model working out for ya again?
Have you not learned anything from the "advancement" of electric cars in the US auto industry? Oh yeah - that happened... not in the USA. Why was that?
I really dont think you understand how business works.
Its okay, half this forum Incorrectly thinks the FDA can keep a mod from being sold.
No business leaves money on the table.
The CEOs would be fired.
Mark my words:
BT will offer e cigs and basic mods.
Other gear will be re purposed and sold openly.
The FDAs authority is limited.
I SERIOUSLY doubt that BT will bother with vaping, once the legal market is gone. We'll likely even see the end of them making cigalikes, too. The profit margins on analog cigarettes is much better.
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