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You're right. I don't. I'm simply making an assumption, based on the manufacturing processes, and materials involved. The past history of the tobacco companies, and the current (piratical) activities common in the American business community (placing short term profits over any other considerations) lead to a (IMO) fairly obvious conclusion
You have zero data on materials or physical production costs, material batch sizes, regulatory costs, overhead, sales and distribution data...
None of this is public information on cigarrettes.
Unless you are a BT executive or board member....
You got nuthin but a wild uneducated guess.
Im not being a jerk... Thats the truth.
Wow, you could work for them..............
Personal opinion or Speculation no longer has value on ECF.........
Wow, you could work for them..............
Personal opinion or Speculation no longer has value on ECF.........
Lol.
Why because paid attention in business class and read a few books on corporate strategy?
Facts>speculation.
I mean you can pat each other on the back and make up scenarios all you want, but the facts are obvious.
The FDA handed the profit stream to the only companies willing to invest millions into getting a e cig approved.
Its a rigged game, with billions at stake.
And zero incentive to market a product that actually works.
I keep thinking about the tobacco executive who was testifying that nicotine is not addictive, and we all thought...what an outright lie. Yet now we can read about claims that nicotine without the combustible by-products may actually not be as addictive as previously thought. They were actually telling the truth! Who'dathunkit!? BP NRT products are on the market without prescription, they must have figured something out along the way to lift the prescription requirements. So now it seems all too obvious that it must be all about the displaced money. What other explanation fits?
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Vaping is a billion dollar industry in the US alone.
Thats the only incentive needed.
However BT will probably stick to cig a likes.
Make no mistake BT wants your vape dollar.
For regulated devices we will have to go to the dark side to buy gear where the FDA has no authority to regulate vaporizers.
Vaping is a billion dollar industry in the US alone.
Thats the only incentive needed.
However BT will probably stick to cig a likes.
Make no mistake BT wants your vape dollar.
For regulated devices we will have to go to the dark side to buy gear where the FDA has no authority to regulate vaporizers.
they have the authority to regulate the market, they have zero ability to regulate the human will and desire. Vaping is not EVER going away. It will likely even get better than it is now 
It wont matter if you own both sides if the coin.
That is why former BT and Big Pharma execs now hold positions within the FDA.
Like I said before, they play the long game, and they arent leaving a cent on the table.
If BT were acting alone you might have a point.
It's not what BT will or can do. It's what BT,BP,The FDA,and,the taxman
decide to do.
In five years if things don't change e-cigs will not be more than 10% of
the total market and will be so expensive compared to cigarettes as to
make them more of a boutique store item for the fashionably healthy.
Remember what the FDA said concerning regulating e-cigs from a
population level point of view. All the players believed the smoking rate would
level off to somewhere between 10 and 20% of the population. For awhile it
appeared it had leveled off to somewhere between 14 to 18%. 14 to 18%
for ever and ever. Then e-cigs came along. Remember the estimates from
a few years ago predicting vaping could penetrate 50% of the market at
current growth rates by as early as 2030? What happens after it goes past 50%?
There will not be enough smokers to fill the gaps. How do they maintain the
market share when it's dependent on never vapers/smokers to enter the market?
A smart business man would put his money on the sure thing. Perhaps they
will look out for us vapers and offer us products that will work for us. I
don't see why. It's against their long term interests.
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Mike
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Do you think the vaping ban will result in an explosion of musical innovation similar to jazz during Prohibition when black and racially mixed bands performed at thousands of speakeasies in Chicago, NY, KC, NO, LA, etc.?
Vaping is a billion dollar industry in the US alone.
Thats the only incentive needed.
However BT will probably stick to cig a likes.
Make no mistake BT wants your vape dollar.
For regulated devices we will have to go to the dark side to buy gear where the FDA has no authority to regulate vaporizers.
Sadly, I do not see that as incentive. that is a Gross Market Figure at Retail level of ALL Products, without taking into account Cost/profit margin on the Proportionate segment of cig-a-like sales.
I'm just not seeing a take off Billion dollar Market for BT. Not even a 3 year Billion Dollar market.
As for Leaving Money on the Table.......If you remove the Market, thus the money, there is no need for the Table.
BT has done this in their own court, Blocking upstart Tobacco Companies at every avenue through manipulating Government Regulation.
The FSPTCA did a nice job of Protecting BT from Market Sharing challenges. While doing little to curtail Smoking
Its Greatest achievement was to Split society into 2 distinct groups, Smokers and those programmed to Hate Smokers.
I thought Hate Crimes were illegal?
Too bad the FDA doesn't have to prove that they are in fact harmful, before regulating them out of existance!
I don't understand why they don't have to. How is it legal to ban (or regulate out of existence) something that might possibly be harmful but hasn't proven to be yet, and all indications so far are that it is not harmful? Anything on earth could be banned or regulated if there is no requirement that it first must be proven harmful.
Quite frankly, I don't care about the business aspect of it all. I understand it, but I don't care. What is care about is this government and government agencies ever encroaching on my personal freedoms. I'm a responsible adult who is not out to hurt anybody, and if I want to do something for myself, it's NOT their business. I'm tired of the government constantly wanting to be in my business. We're living under the illusion of freedom here. Look around....are we really "free"???
Resist and defy. That is freedom, and exactly what I plan on doing. They can't stop millions of people from doing what they want, they can try, but ultimately, they will fail. History has proven this over and over again...
It is simple.
Seller has been at FDA CTP for 3 years. Time to pay his Due.
Nothing Viable to justify his position without going through this whole Deeming routing, Burdening the FDA with a Work overload and Wrangling a few new products to Harass in a Display of Chest pounding Pride.
Oh LOOK, We are taking Actions against Tobacco.....................
oh, really?
Califf and Zeller should be run out of Washington on a Rail.
They have collectively cost Government millions in preparation to derail the one Solution to Beating Tobacco use in our lifetime. Yep, something to be proud of
Seller has been at FDA CTP for 3 years. Time to pay his Due.
Nothing Viable to justify his position without going through this whole Deeming routing, Burdening the FDA with a Work overload and Wrangling a few new products to Harass in a Display of Chest pounding Pride.
Oh LOOK, We are taking Actions against Tobacco.....................
oh, really?
Califf and Zeller should be run out of Washington on a Rail.
They have collectively cost Government millions in preparation to derail the one Solution to Beating Tobacco use in our lifetime. Yep, something to be proud of
No, they truly belong in prison.It is simple.
Seller has been at FDA CTP for 3 years. Time to pay his Due.
Nothing Viable to justify his position without going through this whole Deeming routing, Burdening the FDA with a Work overload and Wrangling a few new products to Harass in a Display of Chest pounding Pride.
Oh LOOK, We are taking Actions against Tobacco.....................
oh, really?
Califf and Zeller should be run out of Washington on a Rail.
They have collectively cost Government millions in preparation to derail the one Solution to Beating Tobacco use in our lifetime. Yep, something to be proud of
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