Want a "smoother" vape

[flarg]

What ratio of PG/VG do I want if I want something more smooth and gentle? I have yet to completely understand the whole PG and VG thing. I thought this article was very informative, but still information overload. I need a flow chart or something.

I like sweet, fruity juice, and I currently have a basic KGO setup at the moment. I need to get some sort of clearomizer or tank or something cuz I can't keep up with adding liquid all the time.

 

[sassers]

Yes - I'd love to get some opinions on this too - I'm using an ego-t right now, and I do have a Vision Clearomizer, but for me it's registering very harsh - I believe the eliquid I have right now is 100% PG.

 

[bacc.vap]

The more VG the less throat hit, so you might want to try something like BWB Malty, it's 70%VG/30%PG. The nice thing about Malty is that it does'nt have a major flavor, just a bit of sweetness to it, so you could add the other flavors you like to it. Basically you want to try the higher VG juices.

 

[TTK]

I recommend buying 100% VG eliquid for a smoother TH. Now, flavors themselves can add to TH. So, get some 100% no flavored eliquid at the same NIC level as your flavored liquid. If you need to reduce TH of your flavored liquid, add the no flavored liquid to the flavored. This will reduce TH at any given level of NIC strength. NIC itself adds to TH, so you may also need to reduce NIC level, so a bottle of zero NIC VG can be added to reduce the TH due to NIC.

 

[sassers]

The more VG the less throat hit, so you might want to try something like BWB Malty, it's 70%VG/30%PG. The nice thing about Malty is that it does'nt have a major flavor, just a bit of sweetness to it, so you could add the other flavors you like to it. Basically you want to try the higher VG juices.

Oh yay - I placed an order yesterday for some flavors from BWB, and I think that's one of them. I'll keep an eye then on the VG% when I order.

 

[Davenkay]

I agree with what has been said so far. My wife has trouble with TH and actually chokes and coughs. I put a 2.8 ohm atomizer and ran it @ 3.2 volts to make a lot less vapor and she seems to be handling that much better. Me! I like puffing smoke like a steam train!

 

[sassers]

I recommend buying 100% VG eliquid for a smoother TH. Now, flavors themselves can add to TH. So, get some 100% no flavored eliquid at the same NIC level as your flavored liquid. If you need to reduce TH of your flavored liquid, add the no flavored liquid to the flavored. This will reduce TH at any given level of NIC strength. NIC itself adds to TH, so you may also need to reduce NIC level, so a bottle of zero NIC VG can be added to reduce the TH due to NIC.

Thanks! This is all new to me - it's really nice to know that blending options with purchased flavored liquids are possible.

 

[Hulamoon]

I'm sensitive to PG and prefer 100% VG. Much smoother, though it can mute the flavor. Best countered by ordering extra flavor if that option is available. Nicotine strength can increase the throat hit too so a reduction to that level will help too.

 

[bacc.vap]

Oh yay - I placed an order yesterday for some flavors from BWB, and I think that's one of them. I'll keep an eye then on the VG% when I order.

Just an fyi, BWB juices are all 70PG/30VG except for Malty and Malty Toffee which are 70VG/30PG.

 

[lonnieperrin]

Oh my have you considered DIY.
Since I started mixing my own E-Juice I can’t go back to pre-mixed
I can control the PG/VG mix, the nicotine level and the FLAVOR level and mix of flavors.
Today its not just about the PG/VG or the nic level, but I do a lot of recipes for the flavors I cant find.

 

[Strigoi]

I agree with what has been said so far. My wife has trouble with TH and actually chokes and coughs. I put a 2.8 ohm atomizer and ran it @ 3.2 volts to make a lot less vapor and she seems to be handling that much better. Me! I like puffing smoke like a steam train!

It could be her inhalation technique as well. If she's not doing, have her hold the vapor in her mouth before inhaling it into her lungs. A lot of smokers would inhale directly into their lungs and will vape the same way (from what I've read, I never smoked that way). Doing a "lung hit" cane make it a lot harsher.

 

[yzer]

If you want smoother vapor...

a. increase your atomizing device resistance if you operate a fixed voltage APV or PV.
b. reduce your voltage if you operate a VV PV or APV. Solution "a" also applies.
c. increase the percentage of Glycerin USP (VG) in your e-liquid.

 

[NancyR]

A quick run down on nic, pg and vg

Nic = nic level and throat hit
PG = enhanced flavor and th
VG = muted flavor and th but more vapor

 

[Ryofu]

When I first started vaping I had huge issues with too much th too to the point it was just painful to vape making me want to go back to analogs. I tried higher vg juices like a lot of posts I see suggesting but an other thing to consider is possibly lowering the nicotine content. As an example of my personal experience I was a pack a day smoker so I started at 24mg juice 50/50 pg/vg this was very painful to me so I tried an 18mg 100% vg juice yet was still kinda painful. I eventually figured out pg wasn't my issue it was the nicotine content and I'm currently using 70/30 pg/vg GotVapes 11mg juice. I find their juice extremely smooth and I have 0 pain issues. I vape their juice all day long with no pain even though it is a high pg content.

I also suggest if you looking for a tank due to refill hassle to check out the vivi nova it is a good tank with smooth vaping. I would also suggest trying to Phoenix cartos even though they don't hold as much as a tank they have great flavor and crazy smooth with no dry hits. Both of these items can also both be found at GotVapes.

 

[rajeevs9]

I prefer a 80PG/20VG..got to have that good throat hit..my nic level 2.4mg

 

[flarg]

This is all fabulously helpful everyone, thank you so much! Just cleared out The Vapor Bomb's inventory due to their August free shipping order and their 25% off code steal25 (didn't really 'clear them out' but I did totally buy a hecka lot of juice for being such a frugal newb. Now off to The Plume Room to grab some of their melon weekly special, and perhaps a tank or clearomizer or be tempted by another new kit (and more yummy juices)...

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Juice Components
Flavoring usually about 15%
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like
VG= vapor and can mute flavor, TH and lung hit- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. I vape 70/ 30 PG/ VG.

When using low resistance Smok Tech 1.7 single coils I get a warmer vape. If I up the ohms to 2.4 the vape is much cooler. Lower PG, Nicotine and higher VG will make for a smoother vape. I began with Boge cartos, next Smok Tech 1.7 single coil, next a carto+ tank and finally clearomizers. Tanks will mute the flavor.
With carto+ tank the carto last before tight draw begins:
light juice= 80-80 ml
dark juice= 50-60 ml
I now vape light juices in my clearo and use carto+ tank for dark juices.

 

[recidivus]

Everyone's said it, but to reduce TH you'll want to reduce PG for starters, nic level for seconds, and heat for thirds. As a 20 year smoker I wasn't getting any TH from tobacco, full flavour and unfiltered was still like breathing air (unless I burnt a pack overnight at a party, but that's not terribly desirable imho), so it was never on my list of wants from vaping.

I switched to 100VG @ 18 and while there's still some TH, it's not leaving my throat scratchy like the 50/50 I was using. VG is significantly thicker though, so you'll have to thin it out a little with distilled water. ~1 drop /mL is my base rule with this brand, but it's already been thinned from vendor from what I can gather. Some heat steeping also helps thin it out also.

Remember to keep hydrated, all juice is a hemectant (sp?) and will aggravate your throat to some degree.

 

[flarg]

And now, taking all this VGPG and nicotine and whatnot into consideration, what do I want in terms of tanks and/or cartomizers? I currently have a KGO 1100 mAh, and have been using 2.0 ohm LR atomizers. It was mentioned that tanks will mute the flavour, and since I really enjoy taste as well as being lazy and don't want to be refilling all the time, should I opt for a clearomizer? I've seen comments about leakage, so obviously I don't want to deal with that.

What, there's cartomizer tanks?! 1.5 ohm Metal dual coil tank system by TPR | The Plume Room
Blarg. Confuzzeled and starting to get overwhelmed again.

Tanks. Duel coil. Cartomizers. Cartridges. Atomizers. Clearomizers. Ohms and coil heads. Rebuildable. Wahhh.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Stardusts mute flavor. Vivi Nova also mutes flavor but not as much. Carto+ tank doesn't mute flavor too much.
I also use a Kgo and dual coils will quickly drain the batteries. You might want to try a 2.4 ohm carto or clearo. You could also try an XL or XXL carto- extra large or extra X 2 large. I DIY and add extra flavor to the juices I vape in the clearomizer. Some vendors do offer "extra or double" flavor.
Different delivery systems:
atomizer/ atty- an element on to which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped
cartridge/ cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the atty- juice drips on to atty from cart and is vaporized
cartomizer/ carto- metal tube with stuffing and element.
carto+tank- a carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is than placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice saturates carto by way of hole in carto.
Clearomizer/ Clearo- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing. The latest Clearos are easily and cheaply rebuildable- simply unscrew old head (wick+ coil) and screw in new head- takes 10 secs. New heads are about $3.00 each.