Want to help my dad switch!

[Beamslider]

The low resistance ones are 2.2 ohm coils and the high ones are 3.2 ohm coils. Going to take more electricity to drive the high resistance and probably lower amount of vapor.

The carts are refillable and each will give you some where in the range of 200 to 300 draws. Supposed to equal around a pack on fill. Not sure that is accurate. The coil in the cart will last several refill but will burn out eventually.

Not trying to discourage you but not sure this will get him totally off cigarettes. This would not have worked for me at least and I smoked a lot.

This is still expensive. There are cheaper better mods out there that would probably cost less to run even with having to buy coils.

 

[Ralph_K]

I used to do cigarette injecting and the tubes alone would be $15 a month at least and tobacco was about $20 a bag. Bag of tobacco is enough for roughly 400-500 cigarettes. My cost was about $100/mo. Vaping cost half the price if you buy cheap e-liquid. You have the price of hardware but that also applies to injectors. Vapes sells e-liquid $10 for 100ml but it has to be steeped. The arctic watermelon is pretty good if you like menthol

 

[Beamslider]

Not saying to buy this but this would be far better than those ecigs.

silver joyetech ego one xl kit (2200mah)

You would need to also get extra coils and the Ejuice to fill it with. But it will last him most of the day on the battery.

Costs $12 for the device and around $8 shipping. It takes around 3 weeks to arrive though. you can then get coils from the US and juice. Some juice in the 18mg or 24 mg level. The CLR coils for this last a long time and you can change the cotton on those coils making them last a lot longer.

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

I honestly don't expect him to fully switch...but I want to find him something that works well, that he can use more often to help him wean off cigs. As it is, he's started to wean down quite a bit. When I met him he was in the neighborhood of 2 to 2 and a half packs...when my mom met him, he was at 6 packs, no joke! Now he's down to 1 or 1 and a half. Sometimes up to 3 if he's really stressed but most of the time it's much better. So I'm thinking this would be a great in between. I just don't want it to be too expensive. I do want it to be worth it to him. His mom smokes, and also rolls the cigs and buys the tobacco. He just gives her a little each month to help cover it. I think their bags are only 12 a piece and they get 3 or 4 a month. He does want to quit but he's not "there" yet.

 

[Ralph_K]

I think their bags are only 12 a piece and they get 3 or 4 a month. He does want to quit but he's not "there" yet.

Those sound like the smaller 6 oz bags. The difference between injecting and rolling is the amount of tobacco used. An injected cig is even fatter than a store bought cig.

 

[stols001]

Well, I think the kit that Sugar_and_Spice showed you is quite good. The difficult thing about cartridges can be (expensive, more so than coils even) and if you buy prefilled for convenience it gets more expensive. Blank cartridges would let him try out different juices. I will say with some of those pen/cartridge vapes, the vape can be a bit anemic and unsatisfying. The nice thing about the joytech CLR coils is that they can be rewicked and even re-coiled, and that can save on expenses.

It's hard to say how much nicotine in his juice your dad will need. That's where a trip to the vape shop might be helpful, he can taste things and decide on a nicotine level. He might do fine with something lower nicotine, but it's hard to say. He might well do much better with a high nicotine juice. Perhaps if you were to get him a setup that is refillable, he might enjoy picking out his own flavors.

I know it can be a tradeoff trying something more "expensive" but there is a realm of "cheap" where the vape gets so unsatisfying and difficult to deal with (e.g. refilling/lengthy recharge without a backup) that can actually turn new vapers off from the experience. I think you are going to need to balance that a bit, but the right type of vape experience is really important to have. Part of it also depends on motivation, and your dad may or may not have enough right now. So it becomes a balancing act of getting something that "works" vs. keeping the experience inexpensive. I will say there are more online vendors of juices that tend to be less expensive than a vape shop, and sometimes online vendors will sell "sample packs" of various flavors so he can try some different things before deciding on a few juices. Tobacco can be fantastic starting out, or it can wind up tasting so "not like tobacco" that sometimes a fruit or desert flavor is actually a better option for a new vaper.

Best of luck, keep asking questions until you feel like you "know" what will be best.

Anna

 

[Scy123]

Diy juice for sure. I calculated once that it would cost me .25c worth of juice a day to vape. And that was when i wasn't working and vaping all day Now a days that .25c worth would last me half a week.

I also calculated the markup percentage of juice to be in the thousands

Maybe start slow and go premade juice first though.

 

[Winchester]

Howdy and Welcome! Your story reminded me of my sons endeavor to get me to quit smoking after 40 plus years of smoking. He worked very hard and finally got to start vaping and introduced me to it by getting me everything I needed to start. I have been vaping for 6 years now and I thank him everyday. You have embarked on a very noble quest to save your Dad. My hat is off to you!

 

[Grimwald]

I might recommend an Evod kit (or blister pack). That is usually good for a cheaper option, but still a tank with replaceable coils and a reasonably good amount of vapor.

Your biggest cost is going to be liquid so be sure to leave room in the budget for that.

 

[BrotherBob]

what is a brand you can recommend that is reasonably priced?

Welcome and glad you joined.
The more you know, the more successful you can be.
Might like to read:
http://www.vaporauthority.com/pages/learn
Vaping and Inhaling: Everything You Need To Know
https://spinfuel.com/new-vapers-start/
http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...tte-college-guides-tutorials-information.html
Beginner – Guide To Vaping
http://vapingcheap.com/vaping-101/
6 Quick & Useful Vaping Tips for Beginners
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...up-the-vaping-ladder-with-egos-and-mods.5058/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...nk-or-what-a-guide-to-juice-attachments.3230/

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

Howdy and Welcome! Your story reminded me of my sons endeavor to get me to quit smoking after 40 plus years of smoking. He worked very hard and finally got to start vaping and introduced me to it by getting me everything I needed to start. I have been vaping for 6 years now and I thank him everyday. You have embarked on a very noble quest to save your Dad. My hat is off to you!

That gives me hope! So much hope! I just want to make sure he has all he needs.

Regarding what the others have said, thank you thank you thank you! I appreciate it so much. It's a little overwhelming but not in a bad way.

Re: the taste, he'd actually rather not end up on tobacco, he'd like something that smells good/tastes good, but I'd be nervous to get him one to start and I can't afford a whole kit of samples just yet. Or maybe I can if it's from the right place. Do any of you have juices that are NOT tobacco that you enjoy?

He loves most foods, so he likely would not be opposed to a flavor that is known to be good.

I'll check into the Evod kit as well. I'm just worried about the juice cost. I'd like to get him enough to last him a little while, say a week or two (with some cig usage).

BrotherBob, thanks for all the links, I will go to each one and read them!

 

[Beamslider]

I don't buy ejuice anymore as I mix my own. Far cheaper and to me better.

But this is probably some of the cheapest decent tasting ejuices you can find. Though probably only go up to 6mg juice.

Cheap E Juice - 120ml for $11.50 - Made In The USA, Ships Same Day.

 

[Baditude]

The low resistance ones are 2.2 ohm coils and the high ones are 3.2 ohm coils. Going to take more electricity to drive the high resistance and probably lower amount of vapor.

Maybe a mental error on your part, but this statement is simply not true. Lower resistance coils drain more amps (current) from the battery than does higher resistance coils. This is why sub-ohm coils (very low resistance) require a high wattage mod and/or high amp batteries.

...he was at 6 packs, no joke! Now he's down to 1 or 1 and a half. Sometimes up to 3 if he's really stressed but most of the time it's much better... So I'm thinking this would be a great in between. I just don't want it to be too expensive. I do want it to be worth it to him. He does want to quit but he's not "there" yet.

As a beginner, a "closed" system will be easier and more convenient for your dad, although he will pay more for that convenience in the long run. Pre-filled e-liquid cartridges and their proprietary gear are more expensive than "open" systems where you can use a variety of of e-juices and vape gear of your own choosing. Closed systems routinely use a higher nic content in the e-liquid, which better suits a beginner trying to make the switch from smoking.

The point that I'm trying to make here is: What would be the best introduction to vaping to get your father to make the switch? A closed system (cigalikes or a pod system) will be simpler in the beginning, if more expensive for the long run. Once he does quit smoking, learns that vaping is successful and worthwile, he can do his own research to find a more efficient, less expensive setup for the long term.

Perhaps one of the "Pod" systems would be a better fit for your dad:

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Closed Systems like cigalikes and most pod systems are beginner-friendly, but generally do not allow you to add your own e-liquid. Your e-liquid flavor choices will be limited to the select few that the manufacturer offers. Gear choices will be limited to that one manufacturer's offerings, too.

Open Systems like the Ego battery devices and the more advanced "mods" are not quite as beginner user-friendly, but do allow you to use any e-liquid flavor offered by hundreds of e-liquid manufacturers. There is a much wider selection of battery devices and juice delivery attachments (tanks). This category is less expensive over the long run.

Vaping can be as easy or as difficult as you make it. The choices can be overwhelming, but knowledge gained from research can help narrow the choices. There literally is a great setup for nearly any type of person who is determined to make the switch.

I recommend you and your father read the below blogs to help make the decision:

Good Starter Setups for a Beginner Vaper

• Typical starter setups recommended for a new vaper.

Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder

• From cigalike batteries, to eGo's, to mods. Another picture dictionary of terminology and form factors for beginning vapers.

Proper Terminology: Is it a carto, a tank, or what? A Guide to Juice Delivery Devices

• A picture dictionary for beginners with descriptions of clearomizers, nano's, drip atomizers, bottom feeding mods, cartomizers, cartotanks, and RBA's (rebuildable atomizers). Includes video demos/reviews of all devices.

 

[Baditude]

Re: the taste, he'd actually rather not end up on tobacco, he'd like something that smells good/tastes good, but I'd be nervous to get him one to start and I can't afford a whole kit of samples just yet. Or maybe I can if it's from the right place. Do any of you have juices that are NOT tobacco that you enjoy?

He loves most foods, so he likely would not be opposed to a flavor that is known to be good.

This actually will work to his advantage. Nearly all e-liquid flavors are derived from concentrated food flavorings. It's nearly impossible to replicate the taste of burning tobacco leaves and smoke unless you know of a food that tastes like that.

There are fruit, coffee, candy, and desert flavors available so there is almost an infinite number of choices available. Having said that, finding a flavor that any individual will like is probably the most difficult choice to find. Taste is extremely subjective when it comes to vaping; what one person likes another person may not.

If someone is successful making the switch, they will in all likelihood save a ton of money doing so. That money saved can be used to find better flavors.

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

Thanks again guys

I finally asked him nicotine content, but he doesn't know. The e-cig he has is a Mark Ten classic, which is 3.5%. Pretty high compared to most vape juices I've seen. Unless I'm missing something.

 

[Beamslider]

3.5% same as 35 mg. High but still lower than pods like JUUL that are 48 to 50 mg.

35 mg packs a punch though

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

He said it gives a pretty good throat hit but he could do with less and be ok. It takes his craving away with just one puff and he'd be fine with a lower content.

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

Taking a look at V4L again, they have the Titan kit for $19.99 and it includes 5 cartomizers. I'm assuming those are filled with the one selected flavor? They do have a 3.6 so I'd probably start with that to see if it can help the transition.

Also what is the difference between the Titan and the King besides the $10 price difference?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Is this the one you mean?

https://www.vapor4life.com/vapor-titan-standard-e-cig-kit/

 

[WayfaringButterfly]

Yes, that's the one.

I just talked with him extensively about the vaping and he said he WOULD like to switch all the way over someday and he's extremely happy I'm looking into it. So yay! Willingness is a good place to start. I informed him on the different levels of nicotine and the auto vs manual and have told him to let me know what he'd prefer in regards to that. Just putting feelers out, or so he thinks.