Want to step up the flavor of my setup without getting complicated/dangerous

[iliketovapesafely]

I know the advanced builds of some e-cgs are safe in the hands of seasoned vapers, but being that I just got off smoking and onto this vaping thing, what would be a good step up from my Provari/nautilus combination?

I was liking the Kanger Subox because my friend has one and the flavor is awesome, is this a good mod or is sub-ohm too mch for me to handle? I mostly like the way it sits in the pocket unlike my long provari.

Can someone recommend me a good starter setup? Is the Kanger Subox a good step up for me or is it over my skill level?

Or at least point me in the right direction to educating myself?

Im not looking for super-huge clouds, but the nautilus flavor production seems so tiny compared to the Kanger subox and other mods.

 

[wizardofozone]

I know the advanced builds of some e-cgs are safe in the hands of seasoned vapers, but being that I just got off smoking and onto this vaping thing, what would be a good step up from my Provari/Nautilus combination?

I was liking the Kanger Subox because my friend has one and the flavor is awesome, is this a good mod or is sub-ohm too mch for me to handle? I mostly like the way it sits in the pocket unlike my long provari.

Can someone recommend me a good starter setup? Is the Kanger Subox a good step up for me or is it over my skill level?

Or at least point me in the right direction to educating myself?

Im not looking for super-huge clouds, but the nautilus flavor production seems so tiny compared to the Kanger subox and other mods.

You'll get a lot of pro and con answers ... here's my two cents ... Riding a horse can be tricky and might even be called dangerous in some cases ... but what about a magic horse that becomes any size down to a miniature pony as well as milder and milder temprament when you twist his right ear.

Basically, despite the sub ohm box mod naysayers, that's the type of magic horse a sub ohm level box mod is ... A 200 watt sub ohm capable box doesn't mean you can't use it with any 1.5 and up clearo at low wattage until you're ready to try your first sub ohm clearo like a rather simple Uwell Crown with .25 coils. I don't think pen types are just going to fade away, but you can have a $30 box mod that can perform the full range of vaping from beginner to pro .... just forget the word 'build' for now ... buy a clearo and it's factory made coils and wicks ... later buy your first sub ohm tank ....

 

[iliketovapesafely]

I guess my real question is where can I educate myself on proper use of subohm tanks?

 

[rice721]

if you're worried about battery safety with sub ohming on a REGULATED mod just stick with the big 3 battery companies or the batteries that Mooch has tested himself.

LG, Samsung, Sony (Sanyo and Panasonics are also reputable but I wouldn't use anything lower than a 20A CDR).

Personally I like the LG HG2s, Samsung 25R, Samsung 30Q, and Sony VTC 5s. 20A CDR is more than enough amperage with my vaping habit. I rarely go above 60W on any build I've done including precoiled claptons and alien wires.

Honestly (just my humble opinion), battery explosion in ecigs have been blown out of proportion by the media. 99% of the time its b/c the user was using a mechanical mod (no chip, no board, no screen) : hybrids at that, and most of the time its b/c they have no idea what ohms law is and was using said hybrid mechanical mod with an atty that doesn't have a protruding positive pin OR an atty thats built too low.

Since you're looking at regulated you really DO NOT have to worry, as long as you get the aforementioned reputable batteries and a separate reputable charger (I recommend xtar, nitecore).

As for recommending a kit / setup. Look for a device thats relatively pocketable (most new ones introduced in the market are going for pocketability these days) and fires up to at least 60W on a single 18650 battery since you're going sub ohm and would probably want to extra "horsepower" in the future just in case.

The lazy mans rule with a 20A CDR 18650 is to not exceed 60W per battery. So if the mod is a single 18650 battery, try not to exceed 60W, if its dual try not to exceed 120W, triple 180 etc etc.

Any of the reputable brands are good, wismech / joytech / eleaf, kanger, smok, etc etc etc.

Stay away from Sigelei, I'm saying this cuz I'm biased with their whole Sig 213 fiasco. Love the mod, hate the company.

 

[sofarsogood]

I believe beginners trying to switch from smoking to vaping should start off at about 10 watts on a 1.5 ohm coil and spend some months getting used to that. I did that 20 months ago and progressed to temp control at 400 degrees and 30 max watts and stopped there.

The other trend is people who never smoked and want to be instant cloud chasers. Those are the people you see on the six oclock news who are talking to lawyers about suing for injuries.

 

[Eskie]

Not sure which Provari you have, but they are quite good mods. There's no reason to replace the mod, rather try a different tank on it than the Nautilus. It's really the tank/coil that will affect the flavor as long as the mod can supply the necessary power. Hard to imagine what tank/coil you could select that your Provari could not handle. It's also more affordable to just change the tank rather than the entire system, unless your Provari model does not supply some feature you believe you must have, such as say temp control if your current version does not supply it..

 

[Susan~S]

I guess my real question is where can I educate myself on proper use of subohm tanks?

Using a REGULATED mod with an internal battery you just need to look at your mods specifications regarding the lowest Ω the mod can fire. If the mod can fire it, you are good to go.

When charging your mod just make sure you are around (and not sleeping) so you can unplug your mod when it is done charging (in the event that something fails). Very little chance of anything bad happening, but just a "good practice" to get in the habit of doing.

If you are using a REGULATED mod that uses 18650 batteries. You just to make sure your 18650 cells can handle the amp draw (and purchase a freestanding charger).

• READ this => Calculating Battery Current Draw for a Regulated Mod

There are only a few battery manufacturers in the world who make their own "cells", including LG, Samsung, Sony, Panasonic & Sanyo.

All the other brands on the market buy the second and third tier cells from those manufacturers and re-wrap them under their own brand. These are "second and/or third tier cells" which did not meet the higher standards of the original manufacturer. In order to compete with the original manufacturers' batteries (first tier), these other companies feel obligated to publish specifications which are inflated to make them appear superior to those of the original manufacturer.

Do your research before you buy. Decide what battery to buy depending upon the application that you will use them. @Mooch has done independent testing of many of the batteries available to use; look for the results for the top batteries you are interested in in his blog.

@Baditude has a great blog on chargers: Guide to Choosing a Battery Charger | E-Cigarette Forum

BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY

Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.

• RTD Vapor
• Illumination Supply
• Orbtronics
• IMR Batteries
• Liion Wholesale

 

[Baditude]

A Provari is an excellent regulated mod. I own three of them myself (two 2.5 and a P3). They do have their power limitations though. The 2.5 version will not consistantly fire a coil under 1.5 ohms. The P3 will not fire a coil consistantly below 0.8 ohms. The 2.5 Provari is variable voltage only, and its top power equivalent in watts is probably around 10 watts. The P3 uses variable wattage, and its top output is about 20 watts if I recall.

My thoughts are you may not find a clearomizer tank that performs much better than an Aspire Nautilus for a Provari, because many of the better tanks produced today use sub-ohm coils which the Provari's can't handle. I've heard great things about the Kabuki tank (which uses Aspire replacement coils), which you may wish to try. It's a little on the expensive side.
Anybody Using A Kabuki? | E-Cigarette Forum

You may wish to research more into an entire setup if you want to try sub-ohm and higher wattage vaping. You can get a new setup for around $80.

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Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder​

• From cigalike batteries, to eGo's, to mods. Another picture dictionary of terminology and form factors for beginning vapers. Includes videos.

Proper Terminology: Is it a carto, a tank, or what? A Guide to Juice Delivery Devices​

• A picture dictionary for beginners with descriptions of clearomizers, nano's, drip atomizers, bottom feeding mods, cartomizers, cartotanks, and RBA's (rebuildable atomizers). Includes video demos/reviews of all devices.

Information Resources for Your First RBA​

• An essential read and referrance guide for someone new to rebuilding coils. Includes a multitude of useful links on battery safety, mod safety, coil meters, coil building, and the differences in the three types of RBA's.

 

[OhTheAgony]

The Toptank (successor of -and very similar to the Subtank)was my first tank after I moved on from Egos and I found it very easy to use after seeing some youtube videos on it and reading some online reviews and threads about it. I see no reason why it would be above your skill-level.

But I've never used the pre-made coils that come with the tank (I've only used mine with the RBA deck that they also include) and I have seen many threads come by with people having leaking-issues with those. Not sure if those are just user errors or if there's a legit problem with the coils themselves but just thought I'd mention it.

I also don't find the flavor of the Toptank all that good to be honest. I get much more flavor from a similar build in a dedicated RTA.

But above your skill-level, no.

If you've tried it and liked it I'd say go get one.

Enjoy!

 

[iliketovapesafely]

Cool, I think I'm going to give the subox a shot since the whole kit can be had for ~$45 on FT, honestly the main reason to replace the provari for me is the pocket-ability factor.

I've heard the Kanger tank design leaves some to be desired though. You can only fill it half way and the intake holes are high so there is always leftover juice at the bottom (only really matters if you're switching flavors tho).

Is there a slight step up from the Kanger Subox Mini, maybe a better tank with a similar style of Mod? (pocket wise)