Warning - Avoid Cinnamon Flavors

[Aheadatime]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233313002610

Apparently there was a study published the other day linking cell damage to some of the chemical compounds that reside within cinnamon flavoring found in ejuice. To quote -

"Cinnamaldehyde (CAD), 2-methoxycinnamaldehyde (2MOCA), dipropylene glycol, and vanillin were identified in the cinnamon-flavored refill fluids using gas chromatography–mass spectrometry and high-pressure liquid chromatography (HPLC). When authentic standards of each chemical were tested using the MTT assay, only CAD and 2MOCA were highly cytotoxic."

 

[cookiebun]

Some of those researchers are considered "compromised" by BP and the alphabet groups.
Lots more info to be found here:
Electronic Cigarette News
Also, it looks as though they did their study on stem cells not full grown people.


Cinnamon liquids are infamous for destroying clearomizers and/or tanks made out of plastic. Common sense should tell you not to chain vape 15mls of a powerful cinnamon liquid on a daily basis.

I pumped tar into my lungs on a daily basis for 35 years. I doubt a little cinnamon occasionally is going to put me over the edge.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to the full article?

 

[Steamix]

Quite an earth-shattering gain in knowledge...

Cytotoxic chems are prone to do more damage to embryonic stem cells than they do to adult cells. No sh.., embryonic tissues *are* more liable to damage from almost anything.

That's why most drugs are big no-no's during pregnancy, thats why liquid vendors clearly state that vaping isn't a good idea during pregnancy or while nursing. Anything mom or mom-to-be eats or ingests otherwise, baby gets to 'taste' too, provided the molecules are small enough to pass the placental barrier ( a lot of them are ).

But the human body is resilient. Heck I know people who been inhaling fresh air ( or what passes for fresh air nowadays ) for more than 70 years, been ingesting dihydrmonoxide all the time and still manage to live...

 

[AgentAnia]

Before you trash all your cinnamon-containing e-liquid, please read this report from Dr. Farsalinos, one of the premier researchers in all things ecigs:

Cinnamon flavours in e-cigarettes: how inappropriate research can misinform the public and the (amateur) professionals

It appears the entire study is questionable and scepticism about its results is recommended.

 

[emus]

I vape my super powerful flavors in jazz pipe. Like Bill, I don't inhale. Another fun way to vape.

 

[Jay-dub]

Citing studies either way seems pointless right now. Each side will claim the other side's studies are compromised. They both use the fact that there's been little to no peer-reviewed studies to bludgeon each other. Meanwhile, the rest of us continue to get kinks in our neck from trying to keep up with the ideological tennis match.

 

[Danoman]

Some of those researchers are considered "compromised" by BP and the alphabet groups.
Lots more info to be found here:
Electronic Cigarette News
Also, it looks as though they did their on stem cells not full grown people.


Cinnamon liquids are infamous for destroying clearomizers and/or tanks made out of plastic. Common sense should tell you not to chain vape 15mls of a powerful cinnamon liquid on a daily basis.

I pumped tar into my lungs on a daily basis for 35 years. I doubt a little cinnamon occasionally is going to put me over the edge.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to the full article?

Oh, I couldn't agree more... after 30 years, no comparison.

 

[we2rcool]

It's CINNAMON. It will burn your skin. If it will burn your skin, it can damage cells and/or lung tissue.

Until long-term studies are done on vaping-humans, no one knows if the chemicals and humectant (water-sucking) bases we inhale for hours a day are safer than tar.

Sure, ditching the hot tar causes us all to 'feel better' in that regard - but at the same time we 'stopped inhaling hot tar & chemicals', we started inhaling 'humectants & different chemicals' (that might have FAR worse long-term effects that one can't feel or sense).

"No comparison"...is absolutely correct!

 

[cookiebun]

Before you trash all your cinnamon-containing e-liquid, please read this report from Dr. Farsalinos, one of the premier researchers in all things ecigs:

Cinnamon flavours in e-cigarettes: how inappropriate research can misinform the public and the (amateur) professionals

It appears the entire study is questionable and scepticism about its results is recommended.

Great link, Thanks AgentAnia. The comments are informative too. You shouldn't make business decisions based on what you've read in an abstract.

 

[Steamix]

It's CINNAMON. It will burn your skin. If it will burn your skin, it can damage cells and/or lung tissue.

Until long-term studies are done on vaping-humans, no one knows if the chemicals and humectant (water-sucking) bases we inhale for hours a day are safer than tar.

Sure, ditching the hot tar causes us all to 'feel better' in that regard - but at the same time we 'stopped inhaling hot tar & chemicals', we started inhaling 'humectants & different chemicals' (that might have FAR worse long-term effects that one can't feel or sense).

"No comparison"...is absolutely correct!

Fighting the undead with zombies ?

Well, PG , VG been around for decades - the flavours we vape are food flavours - whereas three quarters of any flavour is 'tasted' or rather experienced by smelling it. Your tongue can only tell a handful basic flavours apart, the rest happens somehwerer else by, oh, the irony of it, by basically sniffing .. i.e. *inhaling* through our noses...

Any liquid mixer/vendor worth his rep is going to stick with the substances(flavours) that are listed as o.k. for flavouring.

So, if you're munching through a box of cinammon cookies you're likely to ingest and inhale substantial quantities of that particualr substance as as well... which is fine by me, for snorting cinnamon powder is bound to get some very odd looks....aaaaaachoooo

 

[we2rcool]

Fighting the undead with zombies ?

Well, PG , VG been around for decades - the flavours we vape are food flavours - whereas three quarters of any flavour is 'tasted' or rather experienced by smelling it. Your tongue can only tell a handful basic flavours apart, the rest happens somehwerer else by, oh, the irony of it, by basically sniffing .. i.e. *inhaling* through our noses...

Any liquid mixer/vendor worth his rep is going to stick with the substances(flavours) that are listed as o.k. for flavouring.

So, if you're munching through a box of cinammon cookies you're likely to ingest and inhale substantial quantities of that particualr substance as as well... which is fine by me, for snorting cinnamon powder is bound to get some very odd looks....aaaaaachoooo

Undead & zombies aside (since I don't grok the implication or relevance)...

None of 'the above' seems to have anything to do with direct inhalation of said substances for X --> 16+ hours daily for weeks/months/years.

So, if you're munching through a box of cinammon cookies you're likely to ingest and inhale substantial quantities of that particualr substance as as well

puhLEEZ

No one is likely to inhale 'substantial quantities' of cinnamon (or "cookie") into their lungs by eating a box of cinnamon cookies - they'd be inhaling the aroma of cinnamon into their lungs. Perhaps if the cookies were 'heavily dusted' on the outside with cinnamon, some actual cinnamon might accidentally get sucked into their lungs (which would result in coughing).

 

[stevegmu]

There's quite a difference between casually inhaling something and directly inhaling something repeatedly. I work in thermoplastics. If I walk by a sheathing or core extruder and catch a whiff of vinyl, PET, urethane, kynar, etc., that escapes the vent fan, I'll be OK- happens all the time. If I turn off the vent fan, turn up the heats, burn the plastic, stand over the extruder and breathe in deeply- on a daily, prolonged basis, odds are my lungs would be shot pretty quick.

 

[Moofaso]

 

[Uma]

Great video! I especially enjoyed hearing the comparison between diluted concentrated flavorings in PG or VG and concentrated favorings left completely concentrated non-diluted. I'm no rocket scientist, but by golly, methinks I grasped the concept. .

 

[Hoosier]

Good video.

All I could see was the abstract. (Making a decision based solely on an abstract is sillier than judging a book's story by it's binding.)

Knowing the methodology is so important. The study authors didn't use vapor, just directly applied liquids. About half the liquids were flavorings and not juice. They determined that the levels of toxicity were 400 times lower than any previous study on the same chemical. The study group has a history of publishing studies with poor methodology that seem to be directed toward making PV's an evil and deadly invention.

Except for the totally different toxicity level, none of the details from the scientist's review of the study is horribly damning, but if a study is going to claim that all previous research for the last few decades is disastrously wrong, by 4000%, then I would think there would be a desire to have every other aspect of the research to be very meticulously precise.

 

[Racehorse]

eh, I don't read studies.

Early on, whenever I vaped anything with cinnamon, I coughed.

So I figured it performs as a lung irritant to me, and I don't use it.

My brother had the same experience, so neither of us vapes anything w/cinn.

 

[Enoch777]

Quite what cookiebun said.

I did plenty of research on the cinnamon liquids, as well as looking into the components. You must realize that this type of oil is caustic. It's basically what they make pepper spray out of, only made from cinnamon and not oleoresin/capsaicin. It's an irritant. Plain and simple.

Don't chain vape it. Don't vape it daily. Enjoy it occasionally or with moderation in mind, and you're good to go. I happen to vape plenty of cinnamon for months and I haven't had a single issue. I enjoy it at least a few times a week. Very satisfying when it's thick, sweet, and cinnamon hot syrupy.

 

[cookiebun]

Great video, thanks!

 

[twistedtimes]

Cinnamon is an irritant to your lungs, that is just common sense. It tastes great, but not a good idea to inhale. If you think about it I have never seen anything with cinnamon in it to inhale anywhere. It can irritate your stomach too.

 

[Talyon]

Ok we all know that this was discussed over 2 years ago, dont you? and here we are again sheesh lol. Just saying. This is not NEW.

I'll also suggest that with today's technology we can tell without doing 20 year study's what effects can and well happen, also many Vapers here have been Vapeing for over 5-6 years and lo and behold are healthy and alive.