Wattage question

[Noraj1067]

So I've tried to get answers from my local shop but they never give me an actual answer.
i run my wattage on my Hanna clone at around 13. I'm using an Atlantis. Why do some people run the wattage super high at 20-50? For me I don't taste any thing, I can't afford to burn juice that fast, and I get nic sick. I understand that it burns faster and hotter but I'm curious as to how people find they're sweet spot, and what is the norm ( and why). I having a hard time tasting certain flavors and even with playing wattage it's muted.

 

[KenD]

I'm using rebuildables, not the Atlantis, so I'm not sure if this is applicable, but... As long as the coil design is good and the wicking and air flow is acceptable you can go pretty high in watts without sacrificing flavour. In fact, I find that at higher watts I get more intense flavour as more liquid is vaporized. I'm at around 25-28w with my Fogger v4s and v5s and my Orchid, and at 45+ on my drippers. There's no avoiding the fact that I'm using a lot of liquid and recharging my batteries often though.

 

[Noraj1067]

Ok. So I'm using a Hanna clone battery and the Atlantis with the Atlantis coils. I should be able to run pretty high but I still can't taste anything? I know nothing about ohms or wattage. I've only been vaping for three months and my local shop guys are ...... I'm trying to learn the basics.

 

[KenD]

Are you running with the air flow control fully open?

The thing with vaping though, we all have different preferences. And the really good thing, there are enough options to cater to pretty much everyones tastest (though I'm still looking for that salty potato chip flavour ). The point being, if you like the Atlantis at 13w, that's great. You'll save a lot in liquid costs and won't need to charge your batteries that often.

I should add, most who vape at higher watts use fairly low nic liquid. I use 2-3 mg/ml, whereas I was at 9-12 when I used clearomizers.

 

[Dan GSR]

What size air hole you using?

 

[Dickyjim]

The simple answer is wattage needed depends on your build. If you are building sub ohm coils with thick gauge wire you need the extra power (wattage/ voltage) to heat them up faster. There is also the fact that the higher power= more heat= bigger clouds. The sweet spot your referring to depends on your preferences and what you are vaping (juice, ohms, rebuildable etc). What kind of juice are you using? From my experience house blends from most local shop aren't as flavorful at high power as some of the premium juices.

 

[The Ocelot]

How odd. I didn't know a Hana could fire so low.

If you are running the stock 0.5Ω coils at 13 watts, the voltage is 2.54v

Never mind my saying so, but the cost of the Atlantis and the replacement coils are rather higher, considering you could run the same settings in a less expensive tank. Is there a reason you chose the Atlantis?

 

[deach]

Can't speak from experience but I'm not sure an atlantis is gonna hit well at only 13 watts you're gonna get much flavor. While I read you don't want to burn thru a lot of juice, perhaps a different atomizer would help. (something with higher ohms) . Taste is always subjective however so YMMV

 

[The Ocelot]

What chip do you have? I just checked the specs for a DNA20 and a DNA30. Both the clone and the authentic have a minimum voltage output of 4v. Perhaps you have a DNA40 and it's different, but something seems off.

ETA: for those watching at home: the Square Root of Power (watts) x Resistance (ohms) = Voltage. I wish I had a proper square root symbol. √PxR = V

 

[towelie]

Isnt the atlantis made to be a guzzle chucker? Nora you might change your mind if you use a reputable low cost juice vendor and low nic levels.

 

[deach]

The Ocelot is correct. Both of those boards won't fire below 4 volts no matter what the wattage is set at so I doubt you're actually getting much adjustment there at all. According to the formula until about 32 watts, you're not gonna be at 4 volts. This assumes the resistance of the atlantis is actually .5 ohms. For what you're wanting I'm afraid the atlantis may not be for you.

 

[tj99959]

What the op is set at doesn't compute, unless it's a DNA 40 chip set which doesn't have a minimum. (unless you consider one watt a minimum)

That said, wattage isn't what makes a difference, coil temperature is, and AFR (air fuel ratio) is. You simply adjust the wattage to get the ideal coil temperature is all.

If you reduce the air & liquid, you reduce the wattage to get the ideal coil temp.

I do the opposite with a mechanical all the time. As the battery depletes, I choke down the atomizer to keep the ratios the same.

 

[Noraj1067]

With the Atlantis I get a lot more vapor then when I used the nautilus. I have no idea about watts/ohms/volts. None of that was ever explained to me. I was just sold my setup because it was the " closest thing to rebuilding without all the work". My Hanna clone says 15.1 watts right now, and it goes all the way down to 7. The higher I turn up the watts the faster the vapor is produced ( it burns faster)and it's warmer. It also has 0.6 with a strange emblem next to it and 0.0 v. Any ideas? If I go back to the store they'll just say " put it on the number you like" and I'll still have no idea what I'm doing.

 

[Noraj1067]

 

[beckdg]

if that clone doesn't have a buck converter (which the dna boards don't, so i doubt it does) then it cannot output lower voltage than the battery is putting out to make your lower wattage.

let's take 4.0 volts as a reasonable output under load on a freshly charged battery.

4.0 volts squared divided by 0.5 ohms equals 32 watts.

and on a dead battery...

3.0 volts squared divided by 0.5 ohms equals 18 watts.

chances are your vaping over 20 watts almost all the time regardless of your wattage setting.

that strange emblem is probably the capital greek letter omega. it stands for ohms electrically speaking. it's the resistance of your atomizer being checked.

 

[Noraj1067]

Ok so then how do I figure out what I'm running at without having an ohm reader and not understanding ohms law or basically anything that you said . =X
I feel like a stupid girl that's in way over her head and it's getting me super discouraged.

 

[deach]

The "strange" emblem you mention is the symbol for ohms. (the resistance of your device (coil) that you're vaping on. While I understand why you were sold it according to them, they should have explained more to you. Also rebuilding doesn't always involve the most flavor, sometimes people rebuild for the clouds (vapor production). Honestly I understand why you bought it but you weren't informed enough about the atlantis on that device. More vapor doesn't always mean more flavor.

Pertianing to the air/liquid, the wattage will be there in a coil whether there's liquid, air, or whatever else. Trust me, wind a coil stick nothing in it, and bingo it fires and has wattage. The temperature of the coil is what's effected by the liquid air ration, not the wattage.

 

[beckdg]

Ok so then how do I figure out what I'm running at without having an ohm reader and not understanding ohms law or basically anything that you said . =X
I feel like a stupid girl that's in way over her head and it's getting me super discouraged.

well

i think i may have just told you. so you wouldn't have to figure it out. whatever the battery voltage is at will determine the vape power between 15 and 32 or so watts.

for that to be true, though, we'd have to confirm your clone doesn't have a buck converter. (the electronics don't step down the voltage to the atty)

one thing you can do is use an online ohms law calculator. put in 2 values you know and allow it to calculate the rest. use 4 volts for the battery to get a close representation of what it would do under load and input your resistance reading.

P.S. i have a strange suspicion employees you've been dealing with at your B&M haven't a clue what they're doing to guide you or just don't know your particular gear as well as they'd like to think they do.

 

[Noraj1067]

Ok. So obviously being over my head here, are there any websites that break all this down so that I don't get sold something out of my league again ? Granted I am happy with the Atlantis. It has much more vapor and stronger flavor than the nautilus but for me it's still muted. The problem I'm having is that I think they do know what they're doing at the shop, they're just ..... and don't want to answer questions. They basically said put a coil in it, fill it with juice, and that's all I have to know.. In regards to my battery I know how to charge it and turn it on and off. I've previously been sold a fogger which is in my drawer never used because I don't build, and the nautilus/nautilus mini. I'm sorry for the noob questions. I'm not trying to repetitive. I just don't know where else to go to find the info.

 

[beckdg]

basically you'll want to understand how these formulas work...

and get to know your products and what they're capable of before you buy.

from the sounds of it, you got two good products but weren't aware of their limitations and how they work together.

all this is going to take some time to hash out and completely understand starting from scratch. stick around. search out the information you seek. ask specific questions. you'll get it.

(in the center if the circle is the value you'll be solving for... each one has three direct equations to get there... each of the equations are color coded the same as the value your solving for)