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I just can't wait for the site to reopen. I've been out of bobas for a while now. Thankfully I've had plenty of gorilla juice though as that is my favorite juice ever.

The funny thing is...it doesn't matter what Ben does as far as a discount. The juice is so good and so popular that they could raise the price 25% and you will still have a hard time getting an order in for a while.

I have said it many times before though that I love how they limit orders to ensure every order is shipped next day. Much rather have to wait a couple days of trying to get my order in than ordering and having no idea how long it will be before o get it.

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I am glad to see the progress being made on the site. This is the first time for me giving my 2¢. I've been out BB and GJ for over a month now. And yeah I'm losing it without my juice. I was getting irritated for lack off updates. But I understand you not wanting to get yourself burned due to false info. I've stayed quite cause complaining gets us nowhere infact it would be a distraction from your focus on the site. I'm happy things are moving along. good job Ben. BTW I like your take on things wealth isn't just money it can be far beyond that. I always pictured you as a humble guy. Good luck on opening day.... I will be one of the ones putting that new site to the test Monday. I'm sure you got this :)
 

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After reading the rest of the recent posts, I will add: I'll see about the discount extension. The idea was to keep it up as long as necessary, however, that time frame gives no definite end-point and is open to personal interpretation. So I announced "a week" with the understanding I have the ability to keep it going until we have met demand and return to a normal flow of orders.

Here is the bleak truth. I'm told it's crappy I close early, when I do. I'm told it's crappy when I accept back orders. Any thing I do that does not mirror 24/7 operations with next day expedited shipping is considered an affront to someone's sensibilities.

I just want to sling juice. I'm a semi-intelligent monkey and can devise the best methods to make this happen. However, my geniality is wearing thin as I continually defend my business practices.

I understand we are closed and how this effect YOU the customer. I was a customer prior to being an juice-slinger and can empathize with many of the common issues. With that in mind, we've had our life and livelihood shut down due to an intrusive act. We've spent thousands of dollars and many hours correcting the issue. We've moved our offices to larger facilities during this time and have continued to order stock regardless of downtime to fill the new space. I only ask for a reciprocal amount of empathy. I have "chiefs" telling me how things should be run and no real clue of our day-to-day obstacles.

I have a deep affinity for my customers, fervent almost, but in this... please stop stirring my kool-aid, this isn't Jonestown.

I hope I didn't help to raise your ire with my post about the discount Ben, it wasn't my attention at all.

I just figured with how fast the website closes sometimes that a lot of people will not get a chance to enjoy the discount. I was just giving my opinion as to a solution that might help a larger amount of customers than just the ones that luckily manage to get their order in before the capacity is reached. Simple fact is you guys have a crap ton of fans that only vape your stuff, thought it would be nice if more of them could take advantage of the discount.

I'm sure closing down for so long wasn't easy at all for you. Maybe the aspect of it being necessary made the decision itself easy, but I'm sure it was hard to lose so much money, and to see your company being bashed so much here and on Facebook.

Whether I agree with your business practices or not is a non factor for me, it's your business and only you know how you want YOUR business to be ran. I wouldn't presume to press my own ethics upon you, and I do actually agree with the way you shut down once capacity is reached. At least you guys know how to admit and acknowledge when you reach an order threshold that you cannot keep up with. Many other companies simply keep taking orders, and then make their customers wait weeks for a product that may be subpar and mixed without consistency as they try to catch up with an overwhelming order flow.

Like I said, it was a suggestion and opinion, not criticism. Do what ya want, I know either way I will always have a special place in my heart and vape box for AVE and gorilla juice.

Oh and one more thing, if that's the 'purple drink' kool-aid, I'll take a glass please.

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Question away, you have your personal experiences and I have mine. I've used a back-log system before and it didn't work. With this method we are able to get in front of the orders day-to-day quicker than we can if we allow them to pile-up. I won't go any more into it as the story would be anecdotal and dismissible.

You have your own mental image of how we do and/or should operate and I'm near positive little I say will change that picture.

As for the discount argument, you are correct, if the assumption is that we operate at normal pricing under normal operation. We don't. Most of our up-time is with discounted prices. If I recall correctly, the last count was 5 days at regular price over the interim of 3 months. Plus our prices are really good. Granted, I don't shove loss-leaders down customers throats or try to funnel them into a pricey purchase. We do discount and incentivise in more overt ways like discounts, charity opt-ins, sensible purchase practices, freebies, personalization, and a few others.

Ben,

I'll go ahead and add my two cents. I expect you are on the edge of your seat waiting to hear my opinion about how you should operate your business. :laugh:

I have run a small business before, certainly smaller than AVE. Actually, it felt more like the business was running me. When you run a privately held company and fund it from ongoing cash flow it is difficult to grow, especially when demand exceeds your capacity to supply. (Although, I must admit that I wish I had THAT problem when I had my business.) What seems fairly simple - rebuild a web site and build enough stock to satisfy exploding demand - the devil is in the details and the details can break your back. I get that but you can assume anyone else who hasn't been in those shoes can't appreciate the difficulties.

Unfortunately, many AVE fans have run through their stock of juice. Or, like me, have never tried it and are very anxious to give them a try. We're all part of of the spoiled American society. We want what we want and we want it now. In stock, ship Fedex that day, in our hands a day or two later. While I also would prefer to wait for it to be filled and avoid stalking the web site, I take your word that both models have their down sides and you have deemed the current setup to be the best. It was nice to see that articulated in your posts.

The only advice (call it a spectator's comments) I have is:

(1) It would be nice if we could browse your web site during closed hours. I only visited AVE.com a handful of times before it closed and my memory isn't what it used to be. I would like to order more than just BB and GJ and I don't recall what else was available and the prices. I would also like to ensure that my account I still in your database and if not, allow me re-instate it prior to the order entry rush. I'm really affraid that if I do any casual browsing while the order window is open, the window will close by the time I try to place the order. also, seeing the site off-hours might also afford the opportunity to do some of the extra web site testing/debugging you want to do (minus the order entry piece).

(2) Do the best you can to develop a very thick skin (easier said than done). You're dealing with the unwashed masses. The old saying is true - opinions are like @$#%^$, everybody has one. And, in the age of the internet, you'll be subjected to them all. Try to not let them get to you. You have plenty of more important things to worry about. Again, easier said than done.

(3) Keep up the postings. Without some tangible words from 'Ben himself', it's easy for your fan base to start filling in the blanks with their imagination. "He's rich and doesn't care", "He has us by the short hairs and knows it." Etc etc. It was interesting to me to read your latest posts and get a little insight into who you are, get an update on the status and finally get an appreciation regarding your view of things. That makes it much easier for me to be tolerant of the current situation.

(4) Keep the updates coming. They really help to reduce the unavoidable hassle in ordering your product. I wasted a bit of time the last couple days assuming you would open. That was quite frustrating. It's already going to be hassle and take more of my time to order your product than say, some widget from Amazon. It would help to avoid blind alleys. I expect that we're now past this since you say you'll open on Monday.

(5) Open the web site 30 minutes early just for me and increase my discount to 50%. No? Okay, had to ask.
 

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Ben, I question your thinking that you can only stay open for x amount of orders that can be processed in that day. I run a business and have never shut my website down. I've even been 5-6 weeks backed up on orders and clearly stated so. I for one would rather have my order in to you and know that it will eventually get out the door than have to sit everyday stalking your website at 8am hoping to get and order in before you reach your order limit and shut down. That's frustrating!!! Seriously though I will wait as long as needed after placing my order I just want to know my order is in the system. It would also make the week long discount work much better.

Remind me to never order a product from you.I'm not a fan of giving businesses what amounts to an interest free loan while they catch up on a 5 to 6 week backlog of orders they helped create.

Youre letting your business run you instead of running your business and losing a ton of customers in the process.

When AVE's site is up and running Ive never had to wait more than a couple of days to get my order in even during sales and restock of Bobas Bounty.

3 days of waiting before I order then one day before it ships priority mail means I still get my order in a week.

Your customers waited 5-6 weeks before shipping....doesnt take a genius to figure out which system is smarter....or where your true loyalties lie for that matter.

The only person who benefited from that situation is you yet you have the sheer audacity to give Ben a hard time for caring about his customers and being smarter than you? Un....Be....Lievable.
 
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I haven't had the pleasure of trying this juice yet. Hopefully sometime in the next month I can get an order in to see what everyone's been talking about ;). For right now I have my vendors in which I've been ordering from for awhile now so I don't have the whole BB withdrawal :p.

It's not easy to run a small private business with a huge demand unless you get funding from someone who's willing to make it a bigger business.

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Remind me to never order a product from you.I'm not a fan of giving businesses what amounts to an interest free loan while they catch up on a 5 to 6 week backlog of orders they helped create.

Youre letting your business run you instead of running your business and losing a ton of customers in the process.

When AVE's site is up and running Ive never had to wait more than a couple of days to get my order in even during sales and restock of Bobas Bounty.

3 days of waiting before I order then one day before it ships priority mail means I still get my order in a week.

Your customers waited 5-6 weeks before shipping....doesnt take a genius to figure out which system is smarter....or where your true loyalties lie for that matter.

The only person who benefited from that situation is you yet you have the sheer audacity to give Ben a hard time for caring about his customers and being smarter than you? Un....Be....Lievable.

Number one - I never meant to for one moment to give Ben a "hard time". I guess I let my want for some BB and 555 get to me lately and truly want to get an order in for some. My feelings are that I would right now like to have my name on a list so that I know for a fact that sooner or later and hopefully in chronological order a bottle would be put in a package and be sent to me. I've been on here and Facebook for weeks now waiting for mere crumbs of information about when that might happen and now that it is happening and Ben is on here talking I let my feelings get the better of me and for that I apologize if I have offended anybody in the process.

Number two - I have been able to take an idea that someone came to me with and through a great amount of hard work and ingenuity been able to create a successful company that has grown every year through some of the most harsh economic times this country has seen in a long time. I started out in my basement alone and now occupy an 18000 sq ft building employing between 8-15 employees depending on the time of year. It has always been more important to me to manufacture a quality product and to always do the right thing. My business is very seasonal and I get absolutely slammed with orders at times and am always honest about my lead times and for your information have always taken orders and not charged the customers until the product is ready to ship out the door. I don't believe in making people wait for my products but I can't help the fact that I am the best at what I do and that even though there are other companies doing what I am that my customers decide to wait. I wish I could afford to have a roomful of product waiting to ship to customers but I have designed over 300 different products and just can't do that so I build to order and am open and honest about it.

I don't know why you decided to give me a hard time for what I said but maybe you should know the facts before you judge.
 
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I don't know why you decided to give me a hard time for what I said but maybe you should know the facts before you judge.

Ahh the irony!

Sounds as if were both guilty of that now that youve taken your feelings out of the equation doesnt it?

Bottom line is filling a certain number of orders every day before closing is what Bens judged to be the best solution for his business.Neither you or I are privy to all of that information or his particular circumstances that led to making this decision.

I think even he would agree that it isnt an ideal solution for everyone involved BUT its better than 2-3 weeks of waiting before its shipped just to appease the I-want-what-I-want-and I-want-it-right-now, spoiled rotten and entitled crowd.

Ive tried juices from other vendors in the past that had a 3 week wait before shipping and it was decidedly NOT fun. This is a better solution because it keeps the maximum amount of people happy under less than ideal conditions.........plain and simple.

Those that are being selfish or want to constantly whine about it always have the option of ordering from another vendor thats open 24/7 Thats a win-win situation for everyone as well because it reduces demand, allows loyal customers to get an order in earlier and breeds customers who are knowledgeable, understanding, compassionate and sympathetic.

Quite frankly if I were in business I would prefer the latter over the former any day of the week.
 
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Can we take animosity of 145, 147, & 148 and toss it?

Position 1.) I need a place people can come and say what they need to without fear of reprisal. This is, hopefully the place for those ideas to be heard whatever they may be positive or negative.

Position 2.) Is a reiteration of position number 1, with the added bit that Ben (Porphy) is an adult and a thick-skinned one at that. However, if you have to challenge an idea... please keep it to the idea and not the person stating the idea.

I need a "forum" in the strictest defined sense of the word. A place for people to come and openly share ideas on a certain subject. This is that place. We can call the subject "AVE Juice"
 

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I need a "forum" in the strictest defined sense of the word. A place for people to come and openly share ideas on a certain subject. This is that place. We can call the subject "AVE Juice"

So Ben, about AVE juice...is the tobacco in Boba's *******? :laugh: I think it is--that's my idea. ;)
 

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I have said it many times before though that I love how they limit orders to ensure every order is shipped next day. Much rather have to wait a couple days of trying to get my order in than ordering and having no idea how long it will be before o get it.

QFT, +1, insert whatever other sentiment of internet agreement you can think of :) I get my juice from several vendors, though lately I've narrowed down my chosen ones to just a handful. The ones that have made my short-list are the ones that don't make me wait several weeks from order time to shipment. I'd much rather not be able to place my order at all than order it and have to wait an undetermined amount of time to get it :2c:

Maybe my timing has just been good, but I've never had to wait more than a couple of days to get my AVE orders in (with the exception of times of unexpected duress, such as the recent issues), so I've got nothing to whine about, really
 

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Can we take animosity of 145, 147, & 148 and toss it?

Position 1.) I need a place people can come and say what they need to without fear of reprisal. This is, hopefully the place for those ideas to be heard whatever they may be positive or negative.

Position 2.) Is a reiteration of position number 1, with the added bit that Ben (Porphy) is an adult and a thick-skinned one at that. However, if you have to challenge an idea... please keep it to the idea and not the person stating the idea.

I need a "forum" in the strictest defined sense of the word. A place for people to come and openly share ideas on a certain subject. This is that place. We can call the subject "AVE Juice"

Post 145 would be mine.. Hopefully that was a typo? Because all I did there was reaffirm my position /opinion in a non threatening or hostile manner, attempted to explain that I wasn't trying to criticize nor anger you, and even praised some of your business practices and products. I also praised you above other vendors that continue to take orders even when they know they can't handle them..

In essence what I did was come and openly share an idea on an certain topic. And now I actually am in fear of reprisal from you (restated not with the intention of mockery but that of clearly showing my true intent).

My post contained not a hint of animosity and only my opinion. Not sure what you were reading in to that Ben, but where I thought I was being constructive I now feel chastised and uncomfortable.

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Post 145 would be mine.. Hopefully that was a typo?

Sort of. It wasn't your post I was referring to. On my screen you are 143 and another is 145. The URL for the link to that specific post only links to a post number though, which leads me to believe we might all have slightly altered post numbers.

If you scroll up you'll see two people getting heated at each other, that is all I was addressing.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, I was trying to address the posts without using forum handles.
 

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Sort of. It wasn't your post I was referring to. On my screen you are 143 and another is 145. The URL for the link to that specific post only links to a post number though, which leads me to believe we might all have slightly altered post numbers.

If you scroll up you'll see two people getting heated at each other, that is all I was addressing.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, I was trying to address the posts without using forum handles.

Ah, okay lol. I was thinking Damn, Ben seems peeved at me and I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong!

I think you might be right there, and maybe the post numbers are different for me because I'm using Tapatalk on my phone, not sure why that would be though.

I almost commented about the bickering when I saw it but decided against bringing more attention to it. It would be nice if we could all get along again lol, it's been awhile since there's been peace here.

And now that I feel secure in knowing I hadn't unintentionally offended, I'm gonna kick back and get my gorilla on! I swear this stuff is gonna put me in a vape coma some day.

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Post 145 would be mine..

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If using Tapatalk (or those kind of devices), the forum will not adjust the post count for deleted posts. If I am not mistaken, there were two deleted posts in this thread which would account for the different places on certain screens.
 

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145 and 148 were mine.For what its worth I'm sorry about the tone of the message and it coming across as hostile. I wont apologize for defending closing once capacity is reached as I know from personal experience that its FAR better than the alternative.

It gets frustrating trying to explain that every other day to people who should be able to understand the reasoning behind it but either cant or wont for whatever reasons.
 
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145 and 148 were mine.For what its worth I'm sorry about the tone of the message and it coming across as hostile. I wont apologize for defending closing once capacity is reached as I know from personal experience that its FAR better than the alternative.

It gets frustrating trying to explain that every other day to people who should be able to understand two simple concepts but either wont or cant for whatever reasons.

I agree with ya, on closing the site down when capacity gets reached. Like I said earlier, I applaud that Ben and Christie are willing to acknowledge when they have hit a point with orders that they just can't handle.

We know lots of vendors don't do that and continue to take orders. I've had to wait upwards of 3 weeks to a month because of order backups. At that point I had felt like I wished I hadn't ordered at all lol. I also have to imagine that in a vendor's mad rush to fill orders while being so backed up that they could mix some stuff wrong, or poorly. Too much of this, too little of that and all of a sudden the customer is wondering why this wasn't as good as last time. Maybe cause they were zipping through a mass amount of back orders as fast a possible.

I'd much rather Ben and Christie take the care they do to ensure consistency in their offerings. I've never had a bad bottle from them yet and personally believe it's partly because they don't let themselves get too overwhelmed.


If using Tapatalk (or those kind of devices), the forum will not adjust the post count for deleted posts. If I am not mistaken, there were two deleted posts in this thread which would account for the different places on certain screens.

Ah ha, yeah that's what I thought. Makes sense, thanks for the confirmation.

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