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Yesterday managed to keep to 10 analogs. I did have a rough patch last night. After having the last one for the day, I had to deal with the worst case of "customer from hell" I've seen in 15 years!
I had about 15 very difficult minutes but at the end of it, I realized that the connections for smoking for me are tough and if I made it through this, I will be able to stop and I need to speed it up.
If I hadn't been out of analogs, I probably would have had one. But I consider this a huge win - I had no analogs in the house while awake for 9 hours and hit a major stress point and didn't break. It wasn't willpower, I just let that 15 minutes go.
Today's a 9 day.
I had about 15 very difficult minutes but at the end of it, I realized that the connections for smoking for me are tough and if I made it through this, I will be able to stop and I need to speed it up.
If I hadn't been out of analogs, I probably would have had one. But I consider this a huge win - I had no analogs in the house while awake for 9 hours and hit a major stress point and didn't break. It wasn't willpower, I just let that 15 minutes go.
Today's a 9 day.
I'm not versed on MAOIs beyond the Wikipedia description of the drug, but I'm convinced you can quit this if you really want to.
Thankfully, I don't appear to be susceptible to them as you feel you are, although your second link appears to contradict me. I can assume from this reading that MAOIs are in tobacco and e-liquids containing nicotine. The difference is the additional and harmful effects of one delivery system over the other.
But there are psychological factors working against you, as well. My wife had her reason for not quitting. She said she would miss the sense of security a cigarette-in-hand would provide and, that because of that, she would always want an analog. This to her was a greater fear than her nicotine dependence.
So I got her an e-cig that looked and felt like the old thing (pencil-shaped battery and cartomizer assembly). Once she realized that she could satisfy her mechanical habits and her nicotine dependency with an e-cig, she quit the analogs altogether and just vaped whenever the urge or the moment demanded. She has been smoke free for 14 months.
Thank you so much for the links. As you know, I've already quit and these links would appear to give me motivations and insights I no longer need. I will keep them though, in case some other smokers need them ... thanks!
I guess I'm different than some. All I ever wanted was to stop smoking. The nicotine per-se was of little concern to me. Unfortunately, given that I was brought up in a world that only provided one kind of delivery system, I had to treat both as one. Vaping has changed all that! I can now enjoy my nicotine and not have that nagging thought in the back of my mind constantly reminding me of the harm this pleasurable moment was exacting of my body.
I do wish you luck and freedom, Sharon. You'll now it when you get there. It's an unmistakable feeling. In the meantime, try to get yourself a liquid that has the right amount of MOAIs and don't look back. But if you do get the urge to look back, read this first.
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No, they seem to be exclusive to tobacco.
Yup, saw the press release. Congrats to both of you! I'm getting there and appreciate the additional insights you offered.
I found I had to cut down on coffee, it made the cigarette cravings much stronger.No nic levels on Canadian packs. Got them from online. But I'm in the US half the year. Smoke B&H there too.
You know, the green tea mention is another thing. The first week, I was having 1-2 litres of iced green tea a day but store has been out of stock the last 2 weeks. That might have been helping since I've been replacing half the tea with more coffee and rest with water.
Wow, I had to cut back my coffee and went from 8-10 cups a day down to 5-6.
Outstanding, at least in my experience. I won't lie and tell you I've quit smoking entirely, but if I didn't have a pack of combustables around, I would totally panic. Anyhow, if I get into a severly nicotine deprived state, I know the vape is just going to take too long to be effective.
My situation was different because I only smoked 5-6 cigs a day in my former life as a smoker. But I can share this with you regarding nic strength because I think it applies (you mention in a later post you smoke ultra light cigarettes).
Get away from the 24 mg juice - I tried that as well in the beginning and it made me light headed, gave me headaches, made me jittery, and I couldn't sleep at night. I was OD'ing on nicotine and that's what is happening to you as well.
1) Get yourself an assortment of juices: 0mg, 6 mg and 12 mg. Make sure they are in flavors you like (best to start out with something that reminds you as much as possible of your cigarette flavor. (That can change later once you're over the quitting hump.)
2) Get three glassomizers (Davide is a good brand - or Kanger Protank) and fill each with a different strength juice. Make sure you can tell the difference between the tanks. I advise these tanks because they are super easy to use and give a great vape every time - no dry hits like the plastic top wick clearos. Great for beginners when the most important thing is to get you off analogs and get you to fall in love with vaping.
3) Now to how and when to vape. If you are a person who has to have a smoke when you wake up, vape the 12 mg juice in the morning. Then after a meal or when you're just kicking back relaxing at home, vape the 6 mg. If you feel you are craving a cigarette (need a nicotine fix), grab the 12 mg juice again and vape for a few minutes. If you find you enjoy just the sensation or act of vaping, and you're sitting at the computer for hours at a time chain vaping, then grab the 0 mg juice and vape away.
This is the key: when the craving for a cigarette hits, vape the 12 mg. But don't sit there and keep vaping it - wait a few minutres and if the nicotine craving is satisfied, either stop vaping or move down to the 6 or 0 mg until the cig craving is back.
This method will prevent the nicotine OD effects you are describing, while still allowing you to completely satisfy your urges for both nicotine and the act of smoking - most of us are addicted to both.
Great tips! I'm not so sure about the ODing - I've not had a day where I've had more than 2 ml of juice so far. But I do think I am going to try some 0 nic juice this week in the mix to rotate with.
I have Egos with Stardust clearomizers so I'm not sure if the other tanks will work on it? I do plan on getting another set-up when I get back to the US in a few weeks but am not 100% on what I'll get yet.
The Davide mini and the Kanger Protank mini definitely work on your ego batteries. The reason they are better is because Stardust always has a few "bad hits" here and there, and that might be enough to get you running back for a tobacco cigarette.
I also vaped less than 2 ml a day, but the higher nic juice was still messing with me. That light headed thing you are describing is what it was doing to me as well.
I also vaped less than 2 ml a day, but the higher nic juice was still messing with me. That light headed thing you are describing is what it was doing to me as well.
No. I actually meant MAOIs in the last paragraph ... albeit a mistake.
I misread the link and came to the wrong conclusion.
My reasons and motivations are as I stated them. Also, my thanks to Sharon were sincere.
I misread the link and came to the wrong conclusion.
My reasons and motivations are as I stated them. Also, my thanks to Sharon were sincere.
Everyone has their own unique nicotine habit along with their individual chemistry. I made my own cigs and was smoking 50 - 60 a day.
After finding a place locally that had a variety of vaping setups, I spent an hour with the employee deciding what was best to start with. When I got back in the truck I wanted a cig. I looked at the vaping stuff I just purchased and said to myself, give it a chance. That was 12 in the afternoon, 102 days ago. After I got lunch I again said to myself, give it a chance. Same thing after dinner later on that night.
The next big moment would be the morning the next day. I would smoke 4-5 butts before getting out of the house. It worked fine.
What I believe is attributed to my success story is 24 mg Coffee e-liquid ( A good tasting juice is a plus the first week ) Second and most important to me was a great big cloud of vapor. This did satisfy the smoking sensation .
Mind you I would have my vape around me like a 6 month old with a pacifier.
This first setup was a 900mah battery with a nova tank. Of course I had multiple batteries & tank setups with different flavors.
Today, when I light a cig for the wife, I don't know who would ever want to smoke. It's pretty disgusting.
The wife on the other hand has difficulty with vaping. ( Got her the same setup as I had )
She says it bothers her throat, sometimes causes headaches and makes her feel light headed.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT EACH PERSONS INDIVIDUAL WAY.
I truly wish you the best Sharon.
VAPE ON
After finding a place locally that had a variety of vaping setups, I spent an hour with the employee deciding what was best to start with. When I got back in the truck I wanted a cig. I looked at the vaping stuff I just purchased and said to myself, give it a chance. That was 12 in the afternoon, 102 days ago. After I got lunch I again said to myself, give it a chance. Same thing after dinner later on that night.
The next big moment would be the morning the next day. I would smoke 4-5 butts before getting out of the house. It worked fine.
What I believe is attributed to my success story is 24 mg Coffee e-liquid ( A good tasting juice is a plus the first week ) Second and most important to me was a great big cloud of vapor. This did satisfy the smoking sensation .
Mind you I would have my vape around me like a 6 month old with a pacifier.
This first setup was a 900mah battery with a nova tank. Of course I had multiple batteries & tank setups with different flavors.
Today, when I light a cig for the wife, I don't know who would ever want to smoke. It's pretty disgusting.
The wife on the other hand has difficulty with vaping. ( Got her the same setup as I had )
She says it bothers her throat, sometimes causes headaches and makes her feel light headed.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT EACH PERSONS INDIVIDUAL WAY.
I truly wish you the best Sharon.
VAPE ON
I started this a month ago with no intention of quitting smoking, I was looking to have something to use that satisfied me when I was out with non smokers. I got a surprise and found that within a day or two I was down to 4 a day. I hadn't smoked in the house in about 8 years so I had already cut down to about a pack and a half a day by doing that. After about a week of 4 a day I was having a lot of brain fog and no ability to concentrate at all but still ended up going to 2 a day, towards the end of the second week I got an order of juice in that was primarily 24 mg, I had a small amount of 24 mg but was primarily vaping 18 mg, the very first day I vaped 24 mg all day the time for my night smoke came around and I didn't want it. I now haven't smoked since Thursday night and I'm doing fine, the lack of concentration is getting better and the brain fog is nearly gone. Don't put pressure on yourself to quit, that will only make it worse, and don't worry about the journal right now, just vape and let happen what happens and I bet you'll cut down more and more without even realizing it. I live with a smoker and that isn't even bothering me.
I do think it would have been more difficult if I was smoking in the house, I'd suggest going outside to smoke and only vaping inside.
That's right; I rarely meet people who smoke 2 packs per day (!). Tobacco dependence hits everyone differently. The naturally present MAOIs cause withdrawal symptoms after 30 to 120 minutes; the margin here is pretty wide. At 30 minutes, you could easily go through 2 packs a day. I was more on the latter, at 15 analogs per day.
For your wife, we'd recommend less nicotine (mix with 0 nic if you must), and a juice with less PG/more VG. This is going to be more work, but if you care for your wife as much as I do about mine, this isn't an issue.
I think everyone's been respectful and helpful, in one way or another. What concerns me is that Sharon here is a worst case scenario for quitting, and she came to us for help. Smoking 50 Ultra Lights per day is akin to having an IV in your arm with a computer controlled dosimeter, instead of swallowing a pill once per day.
I'll be damned if I let this one fail.
Try not to feel to bad, you are at 3 weeks and I am at 2 1/2 months and still have not quit. Yes, cut down. I do feel better. If I am at home I am fine. If I am working hard around the house, like painting rooms or working on customer orders then I feel like I need a cigarette. SharonH has some great advise about what nicotine strength to vape and when.
Now what I like to do and it keeps my mind off of things is try a bunch of flavors. If you want tobacco blends go for a bunch of differnt kinds. Also try a few small bottles of fun flavors. It will keep you busy. I usually use 4 different flavors a day. Since clearomizers are so cheap you can get several and keep them all filled. Don't forget to put a spare in your car just in case as well as a small bottle of juice. This week when I was out I dropped my pv on the pavement and had no spare, so needless to say that 5 hr trip I smoked 6 anologs.
Good luck and do not get discouraged. Tomorrow is another day.
Now what I like to do and it keeps my mind off of things is try a bunch of flavors. If you want tobacco blends go for a bunch of differnt kinds. Also try a few small bottles of fun flavors. It will keep you busy. I usually use 4 different flavors a day. Since clearomizers are so cheap you can get several and keep them all filled. Don't forget to put a spare in your car just in case as well as a small bottle of juice. This week when I was out I dropped my pv on the pavement and had no spare, so needless to say that 5 hr trip I smoked 6 anologs.
Good luck and do not get discouraged. Tomorrow is another day.
OF COURSE see your doctor first, then:
You could be allergic to pg, vg or the flavorings used.
I think given your 2.5 packs a day, 24mg is fine for light vaping, but if you are going to chain vape you probably want to drop to 18mg
So have both around -- 24mg vaping a lot is actually pretty high
Other thing you can try:
vape 100% pg 18mg no flavoring
vape 100% VG 18mg no flavoring
see if that experiement changes anything.
I am still smoking about 5-6 analogs a day. I have a tendency to chain vape and when I do too much I end up sick to my stomach and headachy. I just ordered some WTA last night. I am hoping the a few drops in my juice will help me. I really would like to get off of the analogs if I could, I know I will not quit vaping. In fact I just ordered over 500 ml of juice last night. A big problem for me has been device failure. I am away from come, my cle aro leaks, I drop a tank and break it, all my batteries died.....
The lightheadedness issue is something that is persistent whenever analog usage is either gone or cut down and not tied into e-cigs at all. Part of it is tied into my blood pressure lowering. And yes, I've seen a doc about all of this.
I can't use PG at all due to sensitivity. I'm on 100% VG.
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