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Girod

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You are exactly right and they don't want us to have any rights. The correct terminology for a growing Government that does that is SOCIALISM.

Socialism is an economic system, not a form of government. If they pass a law that takes away your vaping gear and gives it to those that can't afford it, that could be considered Socialism.
 
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    I am way more scared of people who say stuff like this than of any government :shock:

    LOL ............ Yes but if you think about the founding of our Country, we were trying to escape the queens unfair taxes and the persecution of the British gvt. It took a bunch of people to get sick and tired of being oppressed by the large Government of England and so they had to resort of a physical confrontation and war for INDEPENDENCE....... Had we not done that then we wouldn't of gotten the (once free) country. Unfortunately, we have now become as bad as England is (maybe worse) because we have allowed our Government to get big and out of control.

    I don't like the idea of physical war or confrontation but I certainly can see where it may be applicable at times.
     

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    I thought New Yorkistan was bad...
    I know... it's coming here soon, I'm sure.

    Our local/state wizards are still recovering from their attempt to ban on-line ammunition sales. That didn't sit too well with the rural folks, which happen to be about 75% of the state's population. The result of the effort was that many on-line vendors wouldn't sell to NYS residents simply because the vendors didn't want to deal with the (potential) hassle, and then the fear grew into panic. Most everyone is over the panic now, except maybe the wizards.
     
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    I am way more scared of people who say stuff like this than of any government :shock:
    Why? I support our constitution. None of our politicians do. The left wants to ignore some of it, the right wants to ignore other parts of it. Both sides are guilty of treason. They think their position gives them power, where it only means they are chosen to do a job. If they ignore that job, they need to be punished.

    I believe people like you are the reason they walk all over our rights. If we did our duty as Americans and kept them in line, we wouldn't have this problem right now. They aren't rulers, they are servents. They aren't above the law, they chose to be in the spotlight as examples.
     

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    Socialism is an economic system, not a form of government. If they pass a law that takes away your vaping gear and gives it to those that can't afford it, that could be considered Socialism.


    People get socialism mixed up with other terms quite frequently........... What we have so far in this country is actually FASCISM , which is the merger of corporations, manufacturing and big Government.......... But, if we don't get a handle on this then we can easily slip into communism........... How do people think they know what's happening in the world? Well, most of us get our information from the news and media. But, who controls the media? Big Government that's who. In other words, the media can spin things for the Government and tell half-truths and how are we to know the difference? That's why lots of folks now days are straying away from large main stream media outlets and are getting their news from third party sources on the radio and online.
     

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    Everyone is too scared to use violence. Violence is what built this country and it could be used to keep our politicians in line. If everyone that supported violating our rights had to fear death around every corner, from every person that got within a mile of them, they would stay in line.
    Not really. It is a mixture of voter apathy and socialism. Socialism has its merits at a certain end of the spectrum. It is a numbers game. Give them freebies instead of money for their vote.
     
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    As much as some love to bash the USA as a whole I can't understand why they would want to live here, but then it is easier to sit back and arm chair bash while remaining inactive rather then to work at fixing the things you do not like. I love my country and there is no place on earth I would rather live.
     
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    Hans Wermhat

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    But would they go to real prison
    Most prisons are nicer than the place I live. Uncle Sam takes 22% of what I make every year (which is less than $50k) and gives it to the folks that don't want to work, because Uncle Sam pays them $65k/yr worth of benefits to sit on their butts and do nothing. That's socialism at work.
    Socialism is an economic system, not a form of government.

    What we have so far in this country is actually FASCISM
    Yes, but a bunch of socialists are currently in control of the distribution of the $ and the dissemination of info. And because the leader is black, anyone who challenges their decisions is labeled a racist. It's not his skin color 62% of the population dislikes. It's his abuse of power.
     

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    Socialism is an economic system, not a form of government. If they pass a law that takes away your vaping gear and gives it to those that can't afford it, that could be considered Socialism.
    Taxes..he wasn't necessarily speaking on vaping products. It is the general trend of government. Internet for everyone... healthcare for everyone.. Garbage pickup for everyone.. It is turning into one big socialist boiling point of horse manure.
     
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    Socialism is the Sheep's Skin Cloak that Fascist Packs of Wolves wear to lure the Prey until the Prey is in hand.
    Communism is the PC "Suit & Tie" that Fascists wear in Public when playing "nice".
    Fascists become Totalitarians when the In-Fighting of the Pack has run its Course and a clear Alpha emerges.
     
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    AXIOM_1

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    Most prisons are nicer than the place I live. Uncle Sam takes 22% of what I make every year (which is less than $50k) and gives it to the folks that don't want to work, because Uncle Sam pays them $65k/yr worth of benefits to sit on their butts and do nothing. That's socialism at work.



    Yes, but a bunch of socialists are currently in control of the distribution of the $ and the dissemination of info. And because the leader is black, anyone who challenges their decisions is labeled a racist. It's not his skin color 62% of the population dislikes. It's his abuse of power.

    You are 100000000000000000% correct in all you said and folks are so blinded by the screwy media and all of the indoctrination in schools that they cannot even see what is right in front of their faces.
     
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    This is what we need a middle ground, extremes are never productive for either side. And like I said before I don't always agree with our government but ask me how I feel about living somewhere else besides the USA. I can count on one hand what the government doesn't allow me to do that I enjoy and even that has seen sweeping legalization in several states and once it makes it here I'll be a happy camper.

    Those who rule by brute force and violence is exactly what countless Americans have fought to avoid. And if we were to take that route I feel we would be disrespecting their sacrifices.

    Do we have to be absolutely content with the current system? No. But there are more ways to go about changing things without resorting to senseless violence and what equates to murder. And to hear this kind of talk rise from a vaping discussion is more than disconcerting to say the least.

    If we did take the course of action suggested by some would that really make us patriots or terrorists I lean towards the latter.
     

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    Most prisons are nicer than the place I live. Uncle Sam takes 22% of what I make every year (which is less than $50k) and gives it to the folks that don't want to work, because Uncle Sam pays them $65k/yr worth of benefits to sit on their butts and do nothing. That's socialism at work.

    I was meaning more along the lines of would they go into general population. Around here, cops that commit crimes go to special prisons where they are treated far differently than normal prisoners. A very large portion of our prison budget goes to these prisons even though they house a hundredth of the number of inmates. If they went to general population like anyone else, our prison system would save quite a bit of money...
     
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    Not really. It is a mixture of voter apathy and socialism. Socialism has its merits at a certain end of the spectrum. It is a numbers game. Give them freebies instead of money for their phone.
    socialism is a natural counter balance to fascism. unfortunately politics is a game of extremes. even the founding fathers were a mix of socialist like Jefferson and those who believed that society existed to serve a few and enslave the masses like Hamilton
     

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    The architecture is amazing as well as the collection it houses inside and out, everyone should see them both at least once during their lifetime, it is a national treasure.

    Thanks you for FINDING the perfect photo of this wonderful museum.

    have you been to the fayetteville public library? It was designated as one of Top Ten Libraries to Visit in the U.S.

    I took this photo of the "reading terrace" a fews years ago when I was showing my mom:
    there is nothing quite like sitting out there, looking out at the Ozark mountains and the sky!
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    It was built totally *green*.....any trees removed during construction were harvested and used for furniture or donated to local parks. It has alternative roofing materials to create a reduced heat island effect by 20 degrees, all the landscape irrigation is provided by water collected on the roof and fed to underground cisterns, and there are even waterless urinals in the public bathrooms. There are also a lot of solar panels in use. The way they constructed the reading rooms was windows all the way up sides into roof.....using natural lighting to cut down on having to run electrity and lamps, it is a great place to read in.

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    theres' also a full Starbucks type coffee room downstairs:
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    Next time you're in NWAR, go to the "dog shelter" in Fayetteville, AR It it top notch (and I have been in rescue and never seen anything like it). Fully staffed with animal control officers, beautiful facility, GORGEOUS "puppy rooms" with state of the art sanitizing contraptions outside each doorway for you to step on to clean germs off your shoes so as not to bring any parvo or other contaminants into the puppy population. IT is hands down, probably the best animal shelter I have personally ever been to.

    I kinda don't like to tell people about AR.....cuz then it will get overcrowded. :)
    Lots more wonderful library photos and architectural and site photos here: Im a library fanatic!
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    As much as some love to bash the USA as a whole I can't understand why they would want to live here, but then it is easier to sit back and arm chair bash while remaining inactive rather then to work at fixing the things you do not like. I love my country and there is no place on earth I would rather live.
    Yup.. North Korea doesn't sound too appetizing to me. Still as a democratic country I will voice my displeasure since I won't be shot for it.
     

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    Yup.. North Korea doesn't sound too appetizing to me. Still as a democratic country I will voice my displeasure since I won't be shot for it.

    Not "yet" anyway.......... Give it time and that fact may change. That's the problem when big Governments get in control. They just get more corrupt and evil the bigger and more powerful they become. History tends to repeat itself if we don't learn from the past.... All as we have to do is look at all of the other countries who adopted socialism and look what happened to the poor citizens of the Country...... Or look at what Germany did. If people think that cannot happen to us then they are deluding themselves.
     

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    I'd just like to point out that Singapore is a clearly Capitalist country (ranked second in economic freedom in the world) while being authoritarian, and it is a republic. And how are the vaping laws in Singapore? Right.

    When Corporation XYZ gives money to Politician ABC, and uses the connection to pass laws that favor Corporation XYZ, that has absolutely nothing to do with Socialism. Quite the contrary.
     
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