What Am I Missing?.. Lemo 2 is HORRIBLE

[Penumbra]

I was so pumped to finally get this tank. I started with the Atlantis, which was ok I guess. But when I got my Subtank Mini's 2-3 weeks ago, I quickly realized how bad the flavor was in the Atlantis.

After seeing a ton of reviews for the Lemo 2, along with wanting a decked design that had holes in it and a screw I could at least wrap-around, I was pumped to get the Lemo 2 (albeit its laimo generic look).

Low and behold, the stock coil was an asbolute joke if you ask me. I ve been vapng an Almond Pistacio Ice Cream (anywhere from 50-80vg) from my local shop for weeks. I had no idea how could the flavor could taste until I got the Subtank and built the following:

- parallel coil (28awg, 5-wraps, 3mm ID)
- 2-wire twisted coil/28awg/5-wraps/3mm
- dual-coil w/ 30awg/8-wrap/3mm
- standard coil /24awg /5wraps/3mm.

Those coils gave me the actual taste of sugar in the juice (or whatever the sweetness is attributed to). I got none of that in my Atlantis... nor did I get it with the Subtank coil it came with. And macro-coils (or micro, or nano or whatever the hell single-coil that has the wraps close together) get .... flavor for me.

This morning I did a 24awg std coil w/ 5 wraps on a 3mm driver in my subtank mini, used the pancake wick method (rip trippers) and get the quality sweetness I describe.

I took out the .... stock coil in the Laimo2 and built the same std. coil i just mentioned?.. and the flavor is HORRIBLE... no sweetness, nothing. Its so muted, and I am very very angry for buyin it.

Not to mention what I COMPMLETE PITA it is to take a non-empty Laimo2 apart to swithch the build... no where near as easy as with the subtank... which I can leave the tank itself upside-down while full, as I build a different coil.

I did have the airflow open all the way, and I have just read that that decreases flavor actually... hmm.

Then the wide drip-tip jacks the flavor as well... aside from airflow and driptip, how the hell on earth are people engaging in ecstasy-ridden orgies over this tank?? what am I missing??

 

[HDMontana]

I got one a while back. It works OK. I bought a subtank plus last week. Like it so well that I bought a second one. I like that you can access the coil without draining. I have a 2 week vacation coming up. Will be on the road a lot. The 7 ml tank will come in handy.

HD

 

[mc8]

I was so pumped to finally get this tank. I started with the Atlantis, which was ok I guess. But when I got my Subtank Mini's 2-3 weeks ago, I quickly realized how bad the flavor was in the Atlantis.

After seeing a ton of reviews for the Lemo 2, along with wanting a decked design that had holes in it and a screw I could at least wrap-around, I was pumped to get the Lemo 2 (albeit its laimo generic look).

Low and behold, the stock coil was an asbolute joke if you ask me. I ve been vapng an Almond Pistacio Ice Cream (anywhere from 50-80vg) from my local shop for weeks. I had no idea how could the flavor could taste until I got the Subtank and built the following:

- parallel coil (28awg, 5-wraps, 3mm ID)
- 2-wire twisted coil/28awg/5-wraps/3mm
- dual-coil w/ 30awg/8-wrap/3mm
- standard coil /24awg /5wraps/3mm.

Those coils gave me the actual taste of sugar in the juice (or whatever the sweetness is attributed to). I got none of that in my Atlantis... nor did I get it with the Subtank coil it came with. And macro-coils (or micro, or nano or whatever the hell single-coil that has the wraps close together) get .... flavor for me.

This morning I did a 24awg std coil w/ 5 wraps on a 3mm driver in my subtank mini, used the pancake wick method (rip trippers) and get the quality sweetness I describe.

I took out the .... stock coil in the Laimo2 and built the same std. coil i just mentioned?.. and the flavor is HORRIBLE... no sweetness, nothing. Its so muted, and I am very very angry for buyin it.

Not to mention what I COMPMLETE PITA it is to take a non-empty Laimo2 apart to swithch the build... no where near as easy as with the subtank... which I can leave the tank itself upside-down while full, as I build a different coil.

I did have the airflow open all the way, and I have just read that that decreases flavor actually... hmm.

Then the wide drip-tip jacks the flavor as well... aside from airflow and driptip, how the hell on earth are people engaging in ecstasy-ridden orgies over this tank?? what am I missing??

complaining after 1st build? try working on your wicking maybe?
most of us love it.i use it as an adv for 3 months now, don't even care about all my rda's anymore

 

[Vapenstein]

I really liked my Lemo 2 after months of vaping a Subtank Mini. Then 2 weeks later I got a Cthulhu and within a week the Lemo 2 was gone.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I must be naive as to how a particular atty can be described as more flavor than another. If the builds are identical, airflow identical, distance of airhole to coil identical, juice wicking identical, taste will be essentially identical. If any of the foregoing are not optimized for flavor, you will get different flavor performance. The Lemo is easy enough to build well but not quite as easy as a Subtank.

I haven't bought in to chamber shape and chimney diameter doing some magical transformation to a volume of vapor that all ends up in my mouth and lungs anyway. If any of these theories held true, we should thereby vape holding a certain mouth shape to get better flavor.

That said, the Lemo 2 is no great shakes in performance and I'd also just as soon have a Subtank instead. My Lemo 2 works fine, great vapor and flavor. However, I don't plan to buy another. Nothing special about it either way.

 

[Penumbra]

considering the reviews, I was expecting it to just be "amazing" from the get. So I changed to a coil that has proven to be exactly what I consider great taste, and it was so far from that.

If it was sooo amazing, Id think it'd be closer than it appears to be.

Im stuck with it anyway, and I will try to make it work...

 

[Azarias]

Don't worry. After rewicking and rebuilding the Lemo 2 over and over I retired it.
Somehow SC Kayfun-style builds just are nothing for me. No matter how I wick I get dryhits all the time. I had the same problems with the Kayfun 3.1 and Lite+ back in the day. Just not my atty.
Besides after vaping the Cthulhu and Billow 2 the last weeks the Lemo 2 doesn't have enough airflow for my likings.

 

[Mad Scientist]

considering the reviews, I was expecting it to just be "amazing" from the get. So I changed to a coil that has proven to be exactly what I consider great taste, and it was so far from that.

If it was sooo amazing, Id think it'd be closer than it appears to be.

Im stuck with it anyway, and I will try to make it work...

Is the distance between the coil and the airhole the same as the prior "proven" coil? I've been playing around a little bit with moving the coil closer and farther from the airhole and it certainly seems to make a huge difference. I like my coils very close to the airhole for both excellent flavor and vapor but I'd be interested to know of other experiences.

Wicking performance is also a key factor. A slightly dry wick performs like crap compared to a nice wet wick. A wick acting as a sponge, juice reservoir performs differently than a wick that will actually wick during a draw.

Since we can't actually see inside the atty, it's often hard to diagnose what's wrong or what's different from a different atty or even a different build. Usually just takes a lot of trial end error. Isolating some of the variables to the extent possible sometimes helps. For example, to see if wicking might be an issue, try dripping down the chimney to get the wicks wet and see if performance changes/improves on the next few hits. Etc.

 

[roxynoodle]

A build can yield different results in different attys. I would continue experimenting with it. I don't have the Lemo2; I have the OG Lemo. A lot of airflow and a big dt will reduce flavor IMO. I would ditch that dt myself first of all.

 

[Penumbra]

yesh... a definitf on the driptip. The subtanks is narrower than atlantis and laimo... coinicidence?...

What is "dt?"

As far as wicking?.. im doin the pancake wicking as seen on rip trippers.

 

[Azarias]

yesh... a definitf on the driptip. The subtanks is narrower than atlantis and laimo... coinicidence?...

What is "dt?"

As far as wicking?.. im doin the pancake wicking as seen on rip trippers.

DT = driptip

I retired my Lemo 2. I'm just too stupid for the kayfun stlye single coil attys.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I have mixed feelings about the Lemo2.
I am new, so my building skills aren't top notch yet, so there's that.
I've had builds on it that seemed to rival the S-Tank mini RBA.
I feel the Lemo airflow is smoother and quieter.

I had a build that was just rockin' some MaxVg juice, great flavor, I pushed it to higher Watts than I ever have. Nice dense cloud. No dry hits, hitting again and again and again. It was awesome! Then I had to clean the coil and re wick. Same juice, dry hits, nasty burnt hit on a long draw. Bummer.

So now I am back to the Cthulhu, which has a good build.
But even that one can be tricky for me. This one isn't weeping. This time.

I'm getting better and better at building and wicking, but still, there are so many variables to try to track. I do lean towards Mad Scientist's thoughts on how all this works, that there's not massive differences in taste across different tanks. Having said that, the GEM is on its way, as well as the Herakles. Hey, I won't know till I try a bunch.

 

[Penumbra]

Hey, I won't know till I try a bunch.

True dat'!!

I have a Zephyrus thats on the way but... hmm, I dont know. After this lemo, I dont wanna take another chance. I have school to pay for, so its not like I can waste 30$ here n there.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I hear yeah. I'm trying to reign myself in, but it's hard to participate in forum conversationS if you only have one atty. LOL

 

[VaPreis]

Ditch the drip tip. It's ridiculous.

I have an ST Mini, OG Lemo, and Lemo 2. Out of these three, the ST Mini comes in a solid last place in terms of flavor.

Use larger coils in the Lemo. 2.5mm to 3.0mm work well. My guess is that your wicking isn't keeping up, hence a lack of flavor. Ditch the pancake method, it isn't necessary with the Lemo.

 

[Penumbra]

really??

I mean... i know theres gotta be somethin im NOT doin, if various people (including rip tripper) are sacrificing their first borns to eleaf.

The coil I got on there is 3mm. standard coil with 5 wraps. I am just not impressed with macros, mini, and nanos... with their wraps that have no spaces in between. Unless its a parallel, twisted wire, or dual coil, the standard tastes better too me. Thats anywhere from 80 down to 50vg.

That frickn thing is such an utter pain in the ... to take apart to change wicking compared to subtank mini. If I'd have noticed that Id have to empty my juice every time I want to change build or wicking, I for sure wouldve just passed.


whether not it needs pancakes, i would expect that that would improve it.
anyways

 

[VaPreis]

That is a distinct advantage that the ST Mini has over the Lemo 2, being able to access the build deck without draining. Shame on Eleaf for not incorporating that feature. That being said, it takes a few seconds to empty the Lemo with a plastic tip syringe.

And seriously, it's not that hard to take apart. It literally has 6 pieces.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I too typically do 2.5 to 3mm coils.
I wick using the .... Kickers combing out method.

 

[roxynoodle]

Yeah, I prefer taking apart my Lemo for washing and rewicking than my k4 or Cthulhu.

Yes, dt is drip tip.

I'm a flavor chaser and running my OG Lemo regulated so my build may not be for you. I'm running 8 wraps of 27g on a 2.4mm coil. On the wicking just make sure its touching the deck and not blocking the wick slots at all, and it works great. I don't see any value to that pancake wicking.

 

[roxynoodle]

I'm just of the opinion that instead of giving it up right away, you should experiment with it first.

If you have a plastic bottle with a little tip, squeeze the air out of the bottle, stick the tip in the fill hole, and it will suck the juice right out.