What can I make from this? Ideas would be appreciated
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About the strongest mix you can make with with the single flavor 60/40 is 18mg nic. The nic level of your base is what is limiting this. Reduce your target strength in the calculator step by step and watch the results each increment and I think it will start to become clearer to you.
thanks guys
so ideally I need 48mg juice for the overall juice to be at 24mg strength
oh damn, I have 100ml of 36ml Juice I cannot use, plus I am in the UK so its a nightmare getting 48mg PG Juice that contains nicotine..
Do you think I would feel a difference from 24mg to 18mg strength juice??
If I looked at this a different way so went
3.3ml PG with nicotine
1.2ml VG
0.5ml flavouring
What would be the strength of that juice? and what would be the overall PG / VG split?
Thanks for all your help guys
that will be painful on the throat lol
I see!!
so ideally I need 48mg juice for the overall juice to be at 24mg strength
oh damn, I have 100ml of 36ml Juice I cannot use, plus I am in the UK so its a nightmare getting 48mg PG Juice that contains nicotine..
Do you think I would feel a difference from 24mg to 18mg strength juice??
If I looked at this a different way so went
3.3ml PG with nicotine
1.2ml VG
0.5ml flavouring
What would be the strength of that juice? and what would be the overall PG / VG split?
Thanks for all your help guys
24-18mg, you'd probably notice but you may compensate by vaping more.
The example you give would be roughly 24mg/ml strength and 76/24 PG/VG ratio.
The example you give would be roughly 24mg/ml strength and 76/24 PG/VG ratio.
thats why current creations are heavy on the throat lol
any ideas where I can acquire 48mg / 50mg 100% PG juice that contains nicotine in the UK?
that way I can 24mg strength juice using a 60%PG 40%VG mix
also does that mean if I got 50% PG as base I would not even be able to create 50% 50% mix juice? as it wouldnt work?
it also means this calculator is inaccurate because it does not tell you the resulting PG / VG mix ....http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php
any ideas where I can acquire 48mg / 50mg 100% PG juice that contains nicotine in the UK?
that way I can 24mg strength juice using a 60%PG 40%VG mix
also does that mean if I got 50% PG as base I would not even be able to create 50% 50% mix juice? as it wouldnt work?
it also means this calculator is inaccurate because it does not tell you the resulting PG / VG mix ....http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php
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You are confusing yourself by mixing up volumes / ratios / and strengths... =] gotta keep them strait in the mind. They are all related but separate.
The calculator is focused on determining the resultant nic level and not the the mix level. Not very versatile...
It is sill possible if you are talking about 50%PG/50%VG depending on the strength of the nic as you are diluting it with other things. Again the versatility is determined by the strength of the base more than anything else.
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guys thank you so much
going forward as I have this 100ml of 36% PG nicotine juice would you recommend my target strength to be 18mg for all juices as you say "the base" is the determining factor in the resulting strength...
going forward as I have this 100ml of 36% PG nicotine juice would you recommend my target strength to be 18mg for all juices as you say "the base" is the determining factor in the resulting strength...
Just experiment. Try 18mg and see how it works for you. You just don't know until you try, and you have the ability to make small batches until you find what you like....
I have some DIY supplies on the way so I will be learning as I go also...
I have some DIY supplies on the way so I will be learning as I go also...
bstedh thank you so much you are an absolute star
would you recommend if i want to vape at 24mg strength then do ensure I get at least a 50mg / 52mg base?
would you recommend if i want to vape at 24mg strength then do ensure I get at least a 50mg / 52mg base?
I got 48mg but I am targeting 18mg or less. I think you would be fine with 50mg or more. Just remember the higher the nic level in your base the more diverse your options are. Also if you want a higher VG level you can get a VG nic base instead. You just have to determine what the strongest level you are going to want and work backwards from there to determine what you are going to need to start with.
Also if you have stronger stuff on the way you can mix the two together to be able to use up the lower level stuff...
50% 36mg + 50% 50mg = 43mg or
1ml 36mg + 1ml 50mg = 2ml 43mg
Run the calculator with a couple of scenarios. You may be fine with 48mg...
Also keep in mind that if you are using higher strength base you need to have both plain VG and plain PG to dilute it to get the level you are shooting for.
50% 36mg + 50% 50mg = 43mg or
1ml 36mg + 1ml 50mg = 2ml 43mg
Run the calculator with a couple of scenarios. You may be fine with 48mg...
Also keep in mind that if you are using higher strength base you need to have both plain VG and plain PG to dilute it to get the level you are shooting for.
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thanks for the combo idea appreciate your help
I thought it I purchased 52mg PG based nicotine then it would automatically bediluted when I add plain VG and flavouring, please clarify?
After your help last night I continued using the breakthru calc and found I can make 24mg juice its 80%PG and 20%VG which is OK, it only occassionaly lacks vapour which I weirdly like to see...
I vape mainly fruits i.e. watermelon, strawberry and banana, passionfruit, as well as cola and vanilla
I thought I would get 52% VG based nicotine to dilute with just plain PG because from what I know and what I have read, VG reacts better to fruit flavours what I mean is that you can taste the flavour more and it creates more vapour whilst providing a good all throat hit, what are your thoughts on this idea? Just wanted to double check...
Thanks
I thought it I purchased 52mg PG based nicotine then it would automatically bediluted when I add plain VG and flavouring, please clarify?
After your help last night I continued using the breakthru calc and found I can make 24mg juice its 80%PG and 20%VG which is OK, it only occassionaly lacks vapour which I weirdly like to see...
I vape mainly fruits i.e. watermelon, strawberry and banana, passionfruit, as well as cola and vanilla
I thought I would get 52% VG based nicotine to dilute with just plain PG because from what I know and what I have read, VG reacts better to fruit flavours what I mean is that you can taste the flavour more and it creates more vapour whilst providing a good all throat hit, what are your thoughts on this idea? Just wanted to double check...
Thanks
I can't help much with flavor choices as I haven't gotten my diy stuff in yet... =] I can only help with figuring out the nic level ratios as that's simple math... =]
If you look at the calculator down at the lower section where it shows your PG/VG ratio it tells you how many drops of nic juice/ drops of PG/ drops of VG/ drops of flavor. You will need both PG and VG unless you get one or the other to as close to 0 drops as possible by tweaking your ratios and strength.
If you look at the calculator down at the lower section where it shows your PG/VG ratio it tells you how many drops of nic juice/ drops of PG/ drops of VG/ drops of flavor. You will need both PG and VG unless you get one or the other to as close to 0 drops as possible by tweaking your ratios and strength.
Your basic recipe has 4 components
nic juice
PG
VG
Flavor
The base of your nic juice weather PG or VG determines how much of each you need.
The lower nic level base will probably get you closer to only needing base PG and VG to cut it. But you have to run sever senarios in the calculator to figure it out.
Just imagine trying to figure it all out without the calculator and having to use pen and paper... =]
nic juice
PG
VG
Flavor
The base of your nic juice weather PG or VG determines how much of each you need.
The lower nic level base will probably get you closer to only needing base PG and VG to cut it. But you have to run sever senarios in the calculator to figure it out.
Just imagine trying to figure it all out without the calculator and having to use pen and paper... =]
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Another thing to throw another wrench in the mix...
Your flavor strength is going to be subjective so even though you run the calculator for 5% flavor, once you mix it you may find that you need 10% or even 15% flavor to get the taste you want. This is going to throw all you other levels off and you will need to re-calculate again for the new flavor level...
Hahahahahahah and you thought is was going to be so simple and strait forward =]
I am so glad I am helping you out with this as it's making me think through all the pit falls I will be facing also...
The big plus for me is that I will be more concerned with the flavor than the nic level. If its a good flavor then I can just vape more of it to get the nic I want. =]
And don't worry I didn't think to order plain PG either but I think I can get some from a local Farm supply. I will have to check around as I won't want to wait on another order to get started...
Your flavor strength is going to be subjective so even though you run the calculator for 5% flavor, once you mix it you may find that you need 10% or even 15% flavor to get the taste you want. This is going to throw all you other levels off and you will need to re-calculate again for the new flavor level...
Hahahahahahah and you thought is was going to be so simple and strait forward =]
I am so glad I am helping you out with this as it's making me think through all the pit falls I will be facing also...
The big plus for me is that I will be more concerned with the flavor than the nic level. If its a good flavor then I can just vape more of it to get the nic I want. =]
And don't worry I didn't think to order plain PG either but I think I can get some from a local Farm supply. I will have to check around as I won't want to wait on another order to get started...
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thanks for your reply
I discovered this last night after your help and learnt my ideal mix is 80%PG and 20% VG with 15% flavouring...that enables me to hit 24mg strength juice and it works
However with regards to the base nicotine, contains both PG and nicotine I did not buy seperate PG as this way I am getting 2 for 1, hence my question regarding VG with nicotine and if that would create more vapour and enable me to taste the flavour more...
Thanks
I discovered this last night after your help and learnt my ideal mix is 80%PG and 20% VG with 15% flavouring...that enables me to hit 24mg strength juice and it works
However with regards to the base nicotine, contains both PG and nicotine I did not buy seperate PG as this way I am getting 2 for 1, hence my question regarding VG with nicotine and if that would create more vapour and enable me to taste the flavour more...
Thanks
My understanding is that PG delivers more flavor and TH and VG delivers more vapor and sweetness. I am by no means an expert but that is what I understand from everything I have read.
If you want a mix with higher VG level then I would get VG based nic. If you want a higher PG level then I would get PG based nic. If your juice is going to be near 50/50 then you could use either. Then again If you get a high enough mg VG that would work as a nic base also as you would be using less of it... Jut plug it into the calculator and see what you get.
If you want a mix with higher VG level then I would get VG based nic. If you want a higher PG level then I would get PG based nic. If your juice is going to be near 50/50 then you could use either. Then again If you get a high enough mg VG that would work as a nic base also as you would be using less of it... Jut plug it into the calculator and see what you get.
You also want to consider the fact that VG is thicker and if you go too high with it you may have wicking issues depending on the carto/cart/atty combo you are using... Also some people have leaking issues with strait PG... It's all a balancing act from flavor to mix ratio to nic content..
There are just so many variables you have to consider when designing a juice...
Edit: As far as the 2 for 1... I don't agree. I think it would be cheaper to get a smaller amount of high mg nic and cut it to the desired level with plain. Especially if you can find a local source. I purchased my VG from Walmart =] Now I just have to find PG...
Edit: Here is some more info to consider http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/188195-no-steep-flavor.html
There are just so many variables you have to consider when designing a juice...
Edit: As far as the 2 for 1... I don't agree. I think it would be cheaper to get a smaller amount of high mg nic and cut it to the desired level with plain. Especially if you can find a local source. I purchased my VG from Walmart =] Now I just have to find PG...
Edit: Here is some more info to consider http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/188195-no-steep-flavor.html
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