What Did I Just Vape That Made Me Sick?

[AnthonyB]

I had a really good laugh @AnthonyB, thank you!

Everyone's already said what you should or shouldn't have done. But did you friend ever go back to that show to ream them out?

My work colleague is being a bit odd about the question and hasn't given too much information. He said he got it from a small vape shop in Sydney that gave him the nicotine under the counter.

It doesn't really add because I don't think we have any brick and mortar vape shops in Sydney and if I don't know about it then how is my newbie work colleague who can't discern an e-grip from an evic going to know about it?

 

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My work colleague is being a bit odd about the question and hasn't given too much information. He said he got it from a small vape shop in Sydney that gave him the nicotine under the counter.

It doesn't really add because I don't think we have any brick and mortar vape shops in Sydney and if I don't know about it then how is my newbie work colleague who can't discern an e-grip from an evic going to know about it?

Nope. It doesn't.

 

[AnthonyB]

Sorry, but that's just too much political correctness for me.

It is what it is. A "mild dizzy/euphoric state" is pretty much a "high" to me.

There is nothing euphoric about a 'nicotine high' for me. Elevated levels of nicotine in the body means I feel an unpleasant sensation of jitters, nervousness, irritable bowel and other mild ailments that come with.

Perhaps the worst part of having elevated levels of nicotine is I can't enjoy vaping usually for the rest of the day.

When anyone uses the phrase 'nicotine high' they use high with its ordinary meaning of being at a level above what is optimal. Like 'high fever' 'it's a bit high for me to dive from' and not the descriptive meaning recreational drug users give to the word to connote 'high' state of euphoria or mood.

 

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There is nothing euphoric about a 'nicotine high' for me. Elevated levels of nicotine in the body means I feel an unpleasant sensation of jitters, nervousness, irritable bowel and other mild ailments that come with.

Perhaps the worst part of having elevated levels of nicotine is I can't enjoy vaping usually for the rest of the day.

When anyone uses the phrase 'nicotine high' they use high with its ordinary meaning of being at a level above what is optimal. Like 'high fever' 'it's a bit high for me to dive from' and not the descriptive meaning recreational drug users give to the word to connote 'high' state of euphoria or mood.

Ok. Guess I'm not anyone. I'm out.

 

[AnthonyB]

Maybe it's semantics, but I don't like to see the word "high" being used with nicotine.
That word implies that we are just drugs addicts seeking a buzz of some kind.

We already have enough people in this world that think that is what we are.
We should be fighting such a perception rather than reinforcing it.

Just my two cents.

I can just see how a slight adjustment to semantics is going to overrun the elaborate framework of tobacco deeming regulations laid down by the FDA, bro.

 

[AnthonyB]

It used to be, if I hadn't had a cigarette for an extended period of time, the first one would bring on a mild dizzy/euphoric state for a minute or two. I have NOT experienced that with vaping, ever.

You've never tried Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) liquids before then?

 

[AnthonyB]

I always attributed that to the carbon monoxide, an ingredient in smoke that we often forget to consider in the equation. I think the CO has a much greater role in the cigarette smoking experience than many give it credit for.

It's not the carbon monoxide in cigarettes that brought on that mild dizziness and euphoria. It's the alkaloids in the nicotine profile that are missing in nicotine that is extracted for vaping liquids that are missing.

Those alkaloids contain monamine inhibitors (MAOs) and other chemicals that trigger neurotransmitters in the brain that produce chemicals that make you feel good. Some of these other chemicals are used in antidepressant medications.

Some vape liquid vendors create nicotine juices that contain those alkaloids giving a fuller spectrum of the nicotine profile to bring on some of the calmness we used to get from cigarettes. the generic term for these juices is Whole Tobacco Alkaloids (WTA).

 

[Lessifer]

Sorry, but that's just too much political correctness for me.

It is what it is. A "mild dizzy/euphoric state" is pretty much a "high" to me.

Those are my words, and I used them to describe smoking a cigarette, not vaping, which is the point.

It's not the carbon monoxide in cigarettes that brought on that mild dizziness and euphoria. It's the alkaloids in the nicotine profile that are missing in nicotine that is extracted for vaping liquids that are missing.

Those alkaloids contain monamine inhibitors (MAOs) and other chemicals that trigger neurotransmitters in the brain that produce chemicals that make you feel good. Some of these other chemicals are used in antidepressant medications.

Some vape liquid vendors create nicotine juices that contain those alkaloids giving a fuller spectrum of the nicotine profile to bring on some of the calmness we used to get from cigarettes. the generic term for these juices is Whole Tobacco Alkaloids (WTA).

Okay, from your last few posts I think that when you say "nicotine high" you mean what I think of as "nicotine sick" and I have experienced that, when I went a little overboard with the sampling and vaped way more in a short period of time than I normally would. I've never had it last more than 20-30 minutes though.

I've never tried WTA, since I personally don't miss the other things in tobacco.

 

[DC2]

I have. YMMV, apparently.

Well, I'm not going to claim that NOBODY gets any kind of buzz from nicotine.
Just that most of us don't.

Those alkaloids contain monamine inhibitors (MAOs) and other chemicals that trigger neurotransmitters in the brain that produce chemicals that make you feel good. Some of these other chemicals are used in antidepressant medications.

I've used WTA and I did experience a slight sort of buzz from it.
So in that sense I will agree to some extent.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Well, I'm not going to claim that NOBODY gets any kind of buzz from nicotine.
Just that most of us don't.

I've used WTA and I did experience a slight sort of buzz from it.
So in that sense I will agree to some extent.

If you chain puff enough with nicotine, everyone will get a spinning head.... due to the nicotine or lack of oxygen is open to debate, but that "high" isn't an actual "high" just a head spinning thing.... and it goes away within a minute or two.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

It was pretty dumb I admit. It's just that in 7 years that's never happened before and I've tried all kinds of dubious liquids. Usually if a liquid is bad I can tell from the first puff and not go any further. This was the first time one inhale nearly floored me. My work colleague assured me it was vape juice. It smelled like a strong mint.

Maybe it was a mint infused arsenic or ammonia? Lol

My wife found some liquids that were quite a few years old.. they were simply horrible, (and they weren't that great to start with anyways)and trying to "test vape" them was not a good idea.... but we didn't try full inhales, we simply tested quickly... then rinsed out the tank... I didn't have my drippers then, but now, I'd just use a dripper to test anything, as long as I'm 100% certain that it actually is proper liquid.

I wouldn't test something from someone else though.

But yup, after a few years, depending on recipe used, there's no question that liquids can go bad.

 

[DC2]

If you chain puff enough with nicotine, everyone will get a spinning head.... due to the nicotine or lack of oxygen is open to debate, but that "high" isn't an actual "high" just a head spinning thing.... and it goes away within a minute or two.

I vaped too much nicotine once while sampling 15 new flavors.
I felt like throwing up, but never got any kind of "spinning head" feeling at any time.

The same thing happened once when I was a kid and swallowed some chew.
Some people have different experiences, and are in the minority.

 

[SteveS45]

It was pretty dumb I admit. It's just that in 7 years that's never happened before and I've tried all kinds of dubious liquids. Usually if a liquid is bad I can tell from the first puff and not go any further. This was the first time one inhale nearly floored me. My work colleague assured me it was vape juice. It smelled like a strong mint.

Maybe it was a mint infused arsenic or ammonia? Lol

Do you make a habit of vaping unknown liquids? I would suggest you stop doing this as getting the wrong substance in your lungs can come back to haunt you years from now.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I vaped too much nicotine once while sampling 15 new flavors.
I felt like throwing up, but never got any kind of "spinning head" feeling at any time.

The same thing happened once when I was a kid and swallowed some chew.
Some people have different experiences, and are in the minority.

Some of those side effects also depends on how you vape, DTL or MTL.

 

[AnthonyB]

Those are my words, and I used them to describe smoking a cigarette, not vaping, which is the point.


Okay, from your last few posts I think that when you say "nicotine high" you mean what I think of as "nicotine sick" and I have experienced that, when I went a little overboard with the sampling and vaped way more in a short period of time than I normally would. I've never had it last more than 20-30 minutes though.

I've never tried WTA, since I personally don't miss the other things in tobacco.

Yes I most definitely meant nicotine sick

High levels of nicotine in the body are not pleasant at any time. Nicotine only is enjoyable and pleasant when the body is deficient in nicotine.

I wish my nicotine sickness would go away after 20-30 minutes. Usually, when I end up nicotine high, I need a good 24 hours to reset, and that will depend on how much I Vape during that recovery time. If I don't vape at all I might feel better in the morning and be craving nicotine. If I vape less than I ordinarily would to try and mitigate the nicotine sickness I can need up to 2 days to reset.

The symptoms I get from having elevated levels of nicotine in the body include nausea, an increase in appetite, upset stomach and bloating, discombobulation, a lack of a desire to vape, a bit of over-salivating on the tongue and an acrid taste in my mouth, jitteriness and general feelings of being unwell.

Once I have these kinds of symptoms there is no way I am back to craving nicotine within 30 minutes or even on the same day. Sometimes I will wake up the following morning and know from the first vape that I still have elevated levels of nicotine in my system and need to take it easy that day.

 

[DC2]

Nicotine only is enjoyable and pleasant when the body is deficient in nicotine.

Increased levels of nicotine are definitely not without benefit...
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug?

Having said that, excessive levels are definitely NOT pleasant.

 

[AnthonyB]

Well, I'm not going to claim that NOBODY gets any kind of buzz from nicotine.
Just that most of us don't.

I've used WTA and I did experience a slight sort of buzz from it.
So in that sense I will agree to some extent.

Look nobody will hold it against you if you agree with the stupid guy who inhales toxic substances when he doesn't know what it is [emoji12][emoji16]

 

[AnthonyB]

If you chain puff enough with nicotine, everyone will get a spinning head.... due to the nicotine or lack of oxygen is open to debate, but that "high" isn't an actual "high" just a head spinning thing.... and it goes away within a minute or two.

I agree. Nausea brought on from chain Vaping or getting too much nicotine into the body in a short time interval doesn't produce nicotine high or nicotine sickness (I used the terms interchangeably). It merely causes a temporary adverse reaction in the body from a minor overdose in nicotine at one time. It passes quickly. That same dosage of nicotine spread out over a longer time frame would produce pleasant sensations. It all relates to how the chemicals in nicotine react to receptor sites on the brain and how fast the body can metabolize nicotine.

The introduction of nicotine in the body during times of nicotine scarcity in the body like first thing in the morning can bring on a light euphoric buzz that could be called a nicotine high in the way drug users define the word high. When the body is starved for nicotine and those neurotransmitter sites in the brain are screaming out for some chemical assistance, one can indeed feel high from taking in nicotine whether it be by vaping or smoking.

The nicotine sickness I refer to is the type that is brought on by over vaping or of vaping juices that have too much nicotine during a sustained period of time that result in too much nicotine being in the blood stream. This type of nicotine sickness lasts about a day or even two days.

It takes the body about 3 days to utilize all nicotine in the body. When people quit smoking they are often informed by quitting guides that after 3 days there is no nicotine left in the body.

 

[DC2]

Look nobody will hold it against you if you agree with the stupid guy who inhales toxic substances when he doesn't know what it is

I'd gladly agree with you if you were right.

The introduction of nicotine in the body during times of nicotine scarcity in the body like first thing in the morning can bring on a light euphoric buzz that could be called a nicotine high in the way drug users define the word high.

Carbon Monoxide.

 

[AnthonyB]

I'd gladly agree with you if you were right.



Carbon Monoxide.

Agree with the stupid guy who inhales toxic substances !

Carbon monoxide doesn't produce mild feelings of euphoria. Vape WTA and U will quickly see its the alkaloids that give this effect.