What differences do you noticed between touching and non touching coils?

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I'm a single coil guy (laziness) :

After the huge push and trend of having only extremely close and tight wraps I see a few more people doing some non touching coils:

What are the performance differences anyone has noticed in these different style wraps assuming gauge and diameter the same ?

(Cotton wicks)

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Not sure there are any performance benefits at all; I think its personal preference.

I believe compressed microcoils with loops touching are more durable than loose open coils. I believe they hold up better to multiple wickings. I use 28 gauge kanthal, and I've had coils last a few months at a time.

Compressed microcoils are IMHO less likely to have hot spots or shorts, but maybe that's just because of the way I make my coils.
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I've been tending to go more with spaced coils the last few months using Kanthal. I find there is a slight increase in flavor and I also find they are easier to clean and last longer between dry burns.

I've also been using spaced coils on all my temperature protected nickel and titanium builds. They all work very well :)
 

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I use both, lately leaning more towards slightly spaced coils....

Spaced are easier to clean via dry burning, and don't accumulate nearly as much residue. My non-spaced coils accumulate a lot of black flaky residue that doesn't dry burn off. When I pull apart a used non-spaced coil, a lot of black flakes rain down from it.

Wicks are always cleaner in my spaced coils. In the non-spaced, they tend to get much dirtier at point of direct contact with the coil.

Non-spaced do seem to heat more evenly than spaced. They're also marginally easier (for me) to wrap and rewick. With non-spaced, I just rewick and assemble. Spaced have a chance of becoming deformed during wicking (though not so much with 26 ga.). With spaced, I have to rewick, prime, fire, tweek and assemble.

For me, not enough difference to favor one exclusively over the other.
 

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For me, touching coils are easier to wrap and quicker. And like Battitude says, they are durable to multiple wickings. You can pull wicking in and out of touching coils with little to no distortion of the coil itself. My Kanger Sub Tank Mini came with prebuilt spaced coils which work great, but I had to be careful pulling the old wick out to rewick as the cotton can distort and warp the coil on its way in or out.
 

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I never was a fan of touching coils. They're just too hot, and mutes the flavor for me. I use ribbon wire. It's so easy to build them free hand. I also use silica. Not too many of us left. :D My juice also plays an important role with ribbon/silica builds. I use 10% distilled water that saturates the wick very well.
 

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Oops. One last thing. When doing slightly spaced coils how do you tweak them?

With the "touching" coils I've been tweaking them by squeezing together so they heat evenly from inside out (don't know why it's just what everybody does).
When adjusting slightly spaced coils since I don't want to squeeze them together and make them touching coils what should I look for in terms of how they lite/heat up and what if anything should I do to adjust/tweak them ?


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I only do the spaced coils when I`m trying to get to .25 or below, so I`m using 24 or 22g. What Iv noticed is that they tend to run a bit cooler (bigest plus in my book), and do put out more vapor. I attribute this to more juice being available for each wrap of coil, and the juice being able to get to each wrap a little easier, perhaps quicker.
 
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It sort of depends what atty I'm building how tight I want my coils. That went unmentioned... I can put the same ohm coil of whatever gauge kanthal in a smaller space if I keep it tight.... It's somewhat more pronounced with 28,29, or 30 ga than it is with 24 or 26, of course, but the fact is some decks are pretty small.

And, along with that and for the same reason: Parallel coils take up a lot of space if they aren't tight, plus they're prone to being difficult to mount, difficult to maintain, and just plain difficult to deal with if they aren't tight. I've been using parallels in one of my attys for a while and they're just too much of a pain if they aren't tight.
 
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No contact coils for me, easy to make no ceramic tweezers to break. Chucks out the vapor almost instantly. I use a needle to tweak my coils Its a pretty stout needle works great. I also use a smaller screw driver than the coil to align it parallel with the deck, space with the needle, give her a quick fire if it has hot legs rub the screw driver back and fourth threw the coil 3 or 4 time and like magic the hot legs go away. I dont know what doing that dose but it works every time.
 

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Oops. One last thing. When doing slightly spaced coils how do you tweak them?

With the "touching" coils I've been tweaking them by squeezing together so they heat evenly from inside out (don't know why it's just what everybody does).
When adjusting slightly spaced coils since I don't want to squeeze them together and make them touching coils what should I look for in terms of how they lite/heat up and what if anything should I do to adjust/tweak them ?


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For me, it's all in the wrapping. I use the same ordinary old drill bit for both types. For non-spaced I wrap the wire so the wraps are touching, nice and tight. (Using 28 or 26 gauge, btw) It always springs out a little bit when the tension is released, and that's fine. Install, fire, pinch firmly, repeat until it's heating evenly from the center out, and by the time that process is finished the wraps are all touching again.

For spaced I wrap around the drill bit with less tension, and (obviously) space out each wrap. I try to keep the spacing as even as possible, but don't sweat it if they're not perfect (and they're never perfect straight off the drill bit). Then I install, fire, and pinch, but this time lightly, until I get a nice even glow. During the heating/tempering process, the spacing tends to even out on its own, as long as I wrapped it fairly neatly. The trick with spaced is to pinch lightly...just little nudges with the pliers is enough. You don't want to compress the coil till the wraps touch; just pinch lightly and it should temper itself into a nice evenly-spaced coil.

If, after all that there are noticeable discrepancies in the spacing, I use my smallest flat head screwdriver to poke-prod-pinch until it's all evened up.

In terms of what to look for re even heating with spaced coils, it's the same as with touching; nice even glow from the center. Really, the tweaking is the easy part. I've yet to wrap a coil that couldn't be quickly tweaked to burn evenly, and I've wrapped some monstrosities in my time. :)
 
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