What do you guys think about clone mods and devices?

[abstractcousin]

OP, have you ever complained at your local grocery store about the store-brand soda? It's a clone of Coca-cola but no one seems to be outraged about it. What about "polo shirts" that don't have the horse logo? Same shirt but not the name-brand, do you get in people's faces who don't wear the authentic version?

"Knock-offs" are standard in most consumer industries. Congrats to you if you want to support the original creator but this issue doesn't only affecting vaping and you shouldn't feel immoral about buying a clone, society has deemed it acceptable. Personally my loyalty lies with the better deal assuming two products are identical.

thats a good point of view!

sorry, im kind of new to forum, i didnt mean to come off all judgey. i should have Phrased thing differently! lol

yea i dont think that its like wrong or anything and i dont judge people who have clones, in fact a lot of my vape buddies have clones and i completely understand where they are coming from.

in my opinion, when it all boils down, ANYTHING that will keep people off cigarettes is good in my book! , i guess i was just venting.

 

[Ref Minor]

thats a good point of view!

sorry, im kind of new to forum, i didnt mean to come off all judgey. i should have Phrased thing differently! lol

yea i dont think that its like wrong or anything and i dont judge people who have clones, in fact a lot of my vape buddies have clones and i completely understand where they are coming from.

in my opinion, when it all boils down, ANYTHING that will keep people off cigarettes is good in my book! , i guess i was just venting.

Don't worry, it's just there has recently been a spate of clone threads that were done to death, give it a few weeks and both sides will be rested and ready to lock horns again on the subject.

 

[Brusky]

thats a good point of view!

sorry, im kind of new to forum, i didnt mean to come off all judgey. i should have Phrased thing differently! lol

yea i dont think that its like wrong or anything and i dont judge people who have clones, in fact a lot of my vape buddies have clones and i completely understand where they are coming from.

in my opinion, when it all boils down, ANYTHING that will keep people off cigarettes is good in my book! , i guess i was just venting.

It's not the right point of view. What he described were all products with product differentiations which distinguishes one product from another which in economical terms is ethical.



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[abstractcousin]

yea i see where your coming from. i would have to say that i think counterfeit products are a bit wrong, however i wouldnt judge anyone for buying one because there are always reasons for it, and im just glad theyre not smoking. HOWEVER (lol) if theyre all "just picked up my chi you! say no to clones!" and they have a fake chi you that they paid $40 for. its just them being fake and its their own problem. i guess it all depends on how you go about it. but if you openly state that it is a clone, then i have no reason to complain other than by being a bit disapointed that you didnt concider the artistic plagiarism that is taking place and the fact that it sort of is a bummer for people who have the real mod.

but hey, at the end of the day, it all depends about how you are enjoying your vaping experience i guess! i just wish there was a bit more regulation or something because i feel bad for the makers of the mod.

i dont know,,, i dont realy know how to feel about it.

 

[Brusky]

yea i see where your coming from. i would have to say that i think counterfeit products are a bit wrong, however i wouldnt judge anyone for buying one because there are always reasons for it, and im just glad theyre not smoking. HOWEVER (lol) if theyre all "just picked up my chi you! say no to clones!" and they have a fake chi you that they paid $40 for. its just them being fake and its their own problem. i guess it all depends on how you go about it. but if you openly state that it is a clone, then i have no reason to complain other than by being a bit disapointed that you didnt concider the artistic plagiarism that is taking place and the fact that it sort of is a bummer for people who have the real mod.

but hey, at the end of the day, it all depends about how you are enjoying your vaping experience i guess! i just wish there was a bit more regulation or something because i feel bad for the makers of the mod.

i dont know,,, i dont realy know how to feel about it, and i guess everyone is sort of on the same page

Ya, I'm not going to bash anyone who buys counterfeits or clones, I would urge people to not support cloning or counterfeiting though.

But all in all counterfeiting and cloning will always be around.


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[Scarey]

Hey guys, So i have been into vaping for almost about 2 years and i just got into collecting mods for something other than function. i bought the all brass king when it came out, only to find a bunch of clones come out shortly after with better connetions and a far lower price. I also baught a gold trident when it came out only to see a bunch of clones come out a bit later. I just bought an all brass Poldiac about a week ago (extremely happy with it!!!) and i herd that there are now poldiac clones available.

I dont necesarrily know how to think about it, but i was pretty disapointed when the King mod clones came out, because they started selling them at my local shop and the king sort of lost its value and everyone just assumes that i have the clone and that i didnt spend the time and money to support a company that made a mod that i respect. I dont know if i was just stupid for buying an authentic King and paying all that money on something that isnt worth the money in its raw material form, or if it is wrong that people are making clones that look pretty much exactly like the real thing with the exact same logos and everything.

the only thing that kind of frustrates me about the situation is that people are selling and buying these clones without any shame at all. i was so suprised to see the local shop that i would expect to be interested in quality and authenticity, selling knock off fake mods. in my opinion, it is a little trashy and i hate to see the vape seen go into this direction. its just like a fake louis vuittons or fake jordans.

if you like the mod, you sould support the people who put time into making it, not by buying a fake copy. i just hope that this sort of thing turns into a faux-pas. i mean, i cant even look at the nemisis, the chi you, the sentinal, or the king the same any more!

I dont know guys, sorry, im kind of ranting, but these are my thoughts. what do you think?

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Are you collecting mods for your own personal pleasure, or to be the "Jones" that every one wants to keep up with? Be happy that you're doing what you want to do, and disregard whet other people think about it.

 

[abstractcousin]

Are you collecting mods for your own personal pleasure, or to be the "Jones" that every one wants to keep up with? Be happy that you're doing what you want to do, and disregard whet other people think about it.

thats a very good question!!
yea, i guess i bought the mod for my own quality beliefs about it, but i guess there is always that factor of "X would be cool because people would be impressed". and i guess that is the part of my decision that had me bothered with the clones. The problem with just considering my own personal pleasure is that, as human beings, we normaly feel good when we believe that others approve of our decisions. at what point do these two points of view converge? naturally part of our personal pleasure is deals with pleasing others... hmm interesting.
when push comes to shove, i guess it was more about how i felt about it, and im normally the type of person (and if im not mistaken i think most vapers are) where other peoples judgement isnt our main concern (sure vaping may not be as cool as smoking cigaretes in some towns, especialy mine, but i am mainly concerned with my health). and because of this, i guess i shouldnt let clones bother me.
if you like your setup, and you took the effort to buy the real deal, good for you. Louis Vuittons has tons of replicas after their name, and people still buy their products reguardless of peoples assumptions of its authenticity.

wow, im rambling, i need a psyc!! lol

 

[abstractcousin]

its all about feeling good about yourself i guess. people can do whatever they want. clones arent hurting anyone.... although, they sort of are hurting the makers of the mods...

 

[crxess]

Here is a thought.
Why over spend in order to attempt to achieve approval of another? Is self gratification not enough?
Personally it simply ticks me off to see someone throwing excessive money around trying to impress. There is so much more that could be achieved with that extra money. Much that would, in the end give the spender a significantly better feeling, knowing they have accomplished so much more.

 

[Myrany]

thats a very good question!!
yea, i guess i bought the mod for my own quality beliefs about it, but i guess there is always that factor of "X would be cool because people would be impressed". and i guess that is the part of my decision that had me bothered with the clones. The problem with just considering my own personal pleasure is that, as human beings, we normaly feel good when we believe that others approve of our decisions. at what point do these two points of view converge? naturally part of our personal pleasure is deals with pleasing others... hmm interesting.
when push comes to shove, i guess it was more about how i felt about it, and im normally the type of person (and if im not mistaken i think most vapers are) where other peoples judgement isnt our main concern (sure vaping may not be as cool as smoking cigaretes in some towns, especialy mine, but i am mainly concerned with my health). and because of this, i guess i shouldnt let clones bother me.
if you like your setup, and you took the effort to buy the real deal, good for you. Louis Vuittons has tons of replicas after their name, and people still buy their products reguardless of peoples assumptions of its authenticity.

wow, im rambling, i need a psyc!! lol

Let me jump in with an observation of my own life.

In my 20s everything was a big crises. The least disapproval and I was miserable. I Fretted about everything and everything was earth shattering.

In my 30s I started to know what I wanted in life and really stopped caring so much what anyone else thought.

Now in my late 40s I do what is right for me and really could care less what anyone else thinks.

DO what YOU think is right for YOU.

 

[abstractcousin]

great advice everyone! Thank you!

 

[Penn]

Interesting. For once the anti-clone argument indirectly admits they desire a special feeling for what they own. Not the usual "clone" thread.

 

[minimalsaint]

Here is a thought.
Why over spend in order to attempt to achieve approval of another? Is self gratification not enough?
Personally it simply ticks me off to see someone throwing excessive money around trying to impress. There is so much more that could be achieved with that extra money. Much that would, in the end give the spender a significantly better feeling, knowing they have accomplished so much more.

Just reminded me of another thread about mechanicals in which some member took a picture of their $500 setup on a table next to their Mercedes keys. "Oops. Did I accidentally leave those in the picture?" LOL...
Some people feel the need to impress I suppose. Me? Not so much. I don't leave the house every day hoping that some stranger will stop me on the street to ogle my fancy mod and drop to their knees when I tell them "it's a REAL (insert here)".
I recently bought a direct clone but soon thereafter removed all of the markings so now it's just a brushed tube that looks similar to the real thing. It performs very well and it was a good $24 spent, and I will still put my head on the pillow tonight and seep just fine. Will I buy another one? No. But that's not saying I don't think anyone else should. Don't let anyone judge you for how you choose to spend your money, and if they do- ask for some of theirs.

 

[Cjax]

Please don't take offense to this, but the op is kind of a "rant" in support of the King mod (vs. it's clone) which , let's be honest, is a direct take on a Chi You. It's made by a company called Surefire Vapors, LLC. Replace the word "Vapors" with "Flashlights" and that's a company that makes batteries many people (probably, unfortunately) use in their mods. Add to that the fact that the lion logo on the King mod is remarkably similar to the Premier League Soccer logo. (Yes it's actually the Lion of Judah, an old testament symbol, but just for the sake of argument...) Did Surefire Vapors pay any of these other companies to license their "intellectual property"? Just food for thought...

 

[abstractcousin]

Please don't take offense to this, but the op is kind of a "rant" in support of the King mod (vs. it's clone) which , let's be honest, is a direct take on a Chi You. It's made by a company called Surefire Vapors, LLC. Replace the word "Vapors" with "Flashlights" and that's a company that makes batteries many people (probably, unfortunately) use in their mods. Add to that the fact that the lion logo on the King mod is remarkably similar to the Premier League Soccer logo. (Yes it's actually the Lion of Judah, an old testament symbol, but just for the sake of argument...) Did Surefire Vapors pay any of these other companies to license their "intellectual property"? Just food for thought...

haha yea thats a point! although im just talking about exact knock-offs, not anything else. everything is pretty much inspired by everything if you want to go deep and philosophical about intellectual property. but as far as the king vs king clone debate, i havent taken any sides. i wouldnt go as far as to say that i support the king mod. in fact, im not even too much of a fan of it. I havent even touched it since i got my poldiac.

 

[K_Tech]

IBTL?

I think I would be a little happier (and feel less guilty) about clones is if they didn't try to be EXACT copies, like maybe left out or changed a few cosmetic details.

But whatever. I have a clone - but I WILL be buying the original of that clone because the clone works well for me. It's better for me to have invested 10% of the cost of the original than to have gone in whole-hog to find I didn't like it. But that's just me.

 

[Mitey F]

I think people like yourself who buy expensive mods to "show off" are spending big money on silly stuff for all the wrong reasons. If you enjoy having the original, and using it, then that's awesome, knock yourself out. If you're buying it to show others "hey, look at this expensive mod I bought!" then I really have no sympathy.

As for shops selling clones/knockoffs, they know what their customers want, and they'll sell what they can. There's no sense in stocking $200 mods when all of their customers want $60 clones. All they're doing is increasing their overhead which doesn't do any good for the business OR the customer.

 

[vernhall]

As for shops selling clones/knockoffs, they know what their customers want, and they'll sell what they can. There's no sense in stocking $200 mods when all of their customers want $60 clones. All they're doing is increasing their overhead which doesn't do any good for the business OR the customer.

Amen, B&Ms are in business to make money and stocking only originals is 'not' going to do that for them if their clientele want some value for the money spent which translates out to stocking clones... Personally I have no prob with clones and purchase them simply because I can't afford the originals... Same reason why I vape a Vamo and not a Provari...

 

[Penn]

Has anyone cloned the MVP? I'd be really mad if I could have spent less than $45. Oh well, this thing is nice.

 

[BDUAres]

I don't have a problem with clones since I don't go looking to buy any particular "name" when I am looking for a mech. I am looking for style and function, as well as durability. If there are many positive reviews on a particular mech then I look at that in a more favorable light when making my decision to purchase. I don't care if it is $20 or $200, the same 2 qualifications need to be met - I need to like the look/styling, and it needs to work, and work well.

Some of the clones suck. Unsurprisingly, since they are often made in China, perhaps with some of the same equipment/material sources as well, some of the originals suck too. Suck worse even, since clones sometimes end up being more of a "Mark 2" with a few improvements.

If I like the style and it operates the way it should, I am happy. If you like the style and performance of yours, and are content with what you paid for it, then it doesn't really matter if it is a clone or an original. In the end it is a container for a battery with a socket in which to screw your preferred method of vapor production. It isn't a piece of surgical equipment needing exact tolerances to keep someone alive, so it is not that important.

If a $20 clone mech can get even one person off the deadly alternative for good, then it is worth it and far be it for me to complain that it exists.