What do you think the "end game" will be...

[xg4bx]

when it comes to vaping? Left alone? Banned? "Legalized" and taxed out the wazoo like cigarettes?

Personally I think it will be #3. The government will realize they can make money off of it and slap some bs sin tax on it.

It saddens me that certain "historically" illegal substances *wink wink* are gaining mainstream acceptance and support faster than this one is. What we need is a push for the "medicinal" value of vaping.

 

[THE]

The simple fact of the matter is that they can NOT do anything about nicotine. They make billions .. tens of billions .. over time even more on cigarettes. Tobacco.

They cannot make nicotine a schedule drug. I don't see them being able to ban pg or vg.

All we have to worry about is them TAXING these things to death.
A dedicated vaping person WILL get what they need, no matter what they do.. I believe.

 

[Israfil]

The endgame? Me marching on Washington DC with an army of mechs....

Seriously though...I'm not sure, and that concerns me.

 

[DC2]

I don't know what the endgame will be.
It clearly depends on the Appeals Court decision in the pending case.

Yes, they could EASILY be banned.
The best case scenario is that the FDA loses the court case.

At that point they will aim towards regulating as a tobacco product.
And they can put a big screwing on us there as well.

We need to be vigilant, stay vigilant, and keep on putting our faces in their faces.
Our success at doing so, thus far, has been tremendous.

But if we all give up, be prepared for what will come.
And it will come, for sure, if we don't fight.

 

[jamesam1243]

don't put up any crazy thing and say that the government can't think up an excuse to regulate or ban it, years ago the Canadian government started seizing powdered garlic as an illegal drug because they said that Canadian chicken farmers were effectively using it as a viricide.

the government is as illogical as it chooses to be

James

 

[Israfil]

Really Jamesam? That would make it nearly impossible for me to cook. Also..having a hard time drawing my eyes from the shirtless girl that is your avatar to type this....lol

 

[THE]

don't put up any crazy thing and say that the government can't think up an excuse to regulate or ban it, years ago the Canadian government started seizing powdered garlic as an illegal drug because they said that Canadian chicken farmers were effectively using it as a viricide.

the government is as illogical as it chooses to be

James

You're right.

That'd be like the man here, who, a few decades ago was giving away bread and it was curing some scurvy like ailment. The FDA or whatever it was back then stormed his warehouse and shut it down long enough for all of the bread to spoil.

Because he was competing with a profitable medication.

 

[SgtDGun]

well if it comes to it being illegal i'm moving into Backwoods Don's cabin!

 

[MaxUT]

Because he was competing with a profitable medication.

And because he wasn't bribing legislators with millions of dollars in contributions.

Being right won't help you much when you go head-to-head with government.

 

[satoshi]

Big Pharma or Big Tobacco's version of it will be legal, taxed, and sold locally.

It seems pretty unlikely the end game will be people mixing this stuff in their kitchen and selling it on the internet.

 

[jamesam1243]

Big Pharma or Big Tobacco's version of it will be legal, taxed, and sold locally.

It seems pretty unlikely the end game will be people mixing this stuff in their kitchen and selling it on the internet.

Big Pharm usually tries to suppress anything that is not patentable by them because the better but unpatentable drugs could deprive them of their usuous profits. they would gladly murder countless thousands to make a profit, that's just business, ( and the slower they murder them the more money they make! )

James

 

[satoshi]

Big Pharm usually tries to suppress anything that is not patentable by them because the better but unpatentable drugs could deprive them of their usuous profits. they would gladly murder countless thousands to make a profit, that's just business, ( and the slower they murder them the more money they make! )

James

They do that with prescription drugs to protect their investment, but this would not be a prescription drug. At least, I very much hope that isn't what happens to it. I was suggesting it would be sold as an OTC drug similar to Nicotrol/Nicorette/Commit/etc.

If the e-cigarette legally becomes a drug delivery device, they will be the ones selling it. If the legal definition turns to tobacco product, then Big Tobacco will sell it.

 

[Daedalus]

The one dark possibility I've considered, related to #3 is regulation. Specifically that most if not all of the vendors currently out there would be put out of business, except for those who could afford FDA approved facilities. It will be good from a safety standpoint, but it will also close out a lot of the 1-10 man operations we know and love.

Home DIY'ing not for the purpose of resale would hopefully still be legal, and restrictions aren't placed on the purchase PG/VG or liquid nicotine. The nicotine itself would likely have an excise tax attached to it at some point.

 

[chrisl317]

Don't care. I know how to make my own pv and juice. So Uncle Sam can go take a flying leap 'cause the cat's out of the bag! I won't go back to cigs, doesn't matter if they're legal or not.

 

[BuzzKill]

Can you say WATER PIPE not .... ? or aroma therapy device or ???

Nic is the only thing we will have to worry about and you can make it very easily so ? look up eggplants more nic in them than tobacco plants.

 

[DC2]

Nic is the only thing we will have to worry about and you can make it very easily so ? look up eggplants more nic in them than tobacco plants.

That is the opposite of everything I've been hearing.

 

[DC2]

Can you say WATER PIPE not .... ? or aroma therapy device or ???

And as for whether or not citing drug paraphernalia as an example proves anything...
REGION: Raided smoke shops back in business

Nobody with power or money gives a damn about people selling drug paraphernalia.
But we already know the powers that want to stamp out electronic cigarettes.

It isn't safe to assume anything.
And it certainly isn't safe to assume we don't need to fight.

 

[BuzzKill]

And as for whether or not citing drug paraphernalia as an example proves anything...
REGION: Raided smoke shops back in business

Nobody with power or money gives a damn about people selling drug paraphernalia.
But we already know the powers that want to stamp out electronic cigarettes.

It isn't safe to assume anything.
And it certainly isn't safe to assume we don't need to fight.

I didnt say dont fight !! , there are ways around these things , this was an example of one way , Stills are not illegal but making alcohol in them is IF you sell it !

My point was that there are ways around all of these issues IF it comes to that.
Ya Eggplants were a bad example for a nicotine rich plant ( for NON tobacco plants they contain the most ) BUT they still sell pipe tobacco and it is easy to extract.

 

[VPDownunder]

Meh, I already order 95% of my parts from China anyway and it certainly won't be illegal over there. They've already banned the sale of nic juice here but it still doesn't affect importing it for personal use just resale, they can't ban VG or PG so it really is a non issue as far as I'm concerned.

 

[DC2]

BUT they still sell pipe tobacco and it is easy to extract.

I hadn't heard about that, is the process explained anywhere on here?