What happened to Provape?

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I went into a local vape shop next to my house and saw Provari P3's in the clearance case for $89.99. I asked what was up with that and they said they are going to stop carrying provape's stuff. IMO I think they were working on that board for the P3 so long that temp control came out and China stepped up their game to where the P3 became obsolete and they missed the boat. Everyone else that stuck with evolv boards survived the China awakening but man did they get crushed. Anyone else notice this?
 
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Provape has always marched to their own drummer. They enjoyed so much success setting new standards with the original Provari that they may have drug their feet before finally introducing the P3 version.

Provape has always appeared to target a certain market, IMHO. The vast majority of vapers worldwide are "tootle puffers" -- normal resistance, low wattage --- so Provape seems focused on that segment of the vaping population. And they do what they do very well.

Vape shops and e-cigarette forums tend to attract vaping enthusiasts and hobbyists (hard core vapers, cloud chasers, et al), so much of the trends and focus with these groups has been on sub-ohm vaping and high wattage devices. In reality, they are the minority worldwide. Provape has always been about safety as its number one priority, so manufacturing a device that can sub ohm and put out more power than the average vaper needs has never been their priority. With great power comes great responsibility. Has this philosophy hurt their potential sales? Maybe, but I imagine Provape sales aren't exactly hurting either, especially online sales.

Provape focuses on building a device that has reliability, dependability, better than average quality control, high manufacturing detail, durability, a better than average warranty, and a well-deserved reputation for life long customer support. In the rare event a Provari dysfunctions or breaks, you'll get it back good as new in a weeks time.

Is a Provari designed for every type of vaper? No. A P3 compared to many of the current high wattage box mods currently on the market is going to appear over-priced and weak in the power department comparitively. But it still suits the "average vaper" profile well, and especially if the consumer places a priority on the characteristics in the previous paragraph. The average vaper (via multiple recent poll results) vapes between 10 - 20 watts, a range that the P3 suits.


It's not really fair in a price comparison, but my sister recently purchased her first vape setup while we visited a vape shop together. I had offered her one of my Provari 2.5 to use until she had experience to figure out what she wanted to buy. She thought it was too big and heavy, and chose to buy an Eleaf iStick 30 watt instead, a popular and inexpensive beginner setup.

Well, that iStick stopped working a week after purchase; some sort of defective board issue. The shop agreed to replace it, but she had to physically return it. She lives 120 miles roundtrip and wouldn't have the time to replace it for several weeks with her busy schedule, so she bought another iStick online until she could replace the first one. Well, she dropped and broke the second iStick after only 2 days. I couldn't help thinking that had she decided to use my Provari in the first place, none of that would have happened.
 
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They are not obsolete, a lot of vapers (me included) are still in their wattage, but for sure they are beyond others in many ways, price included. I have 4 mods for $25-$35 (15W-30W), in my 1.5 years of vaping not a single one had any problems. Electronics now is so cheap and relatively reliable. It makes no sense at all to pay for "quality" and customer service, when it is so easy and cheap to buy mode of the same (or better) performance just for $25 when needed.
 

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I know they haven't been into the whole scene of high wattage low ohms but I think they messed up by waiting so long to introduce the P3 that China just stepped up their game. They try to say they are reliable but every mod I've had has never broke. I mean my friends $20 subox got dropped in a hot tub and came out working great and has been dropped countless times. They also always talk about safety but isn't temp control one of the safest ways to vape? I don't think they have a leg to stand on at this point about anything for that price. If they would of just made a deal with evolv they could of still been the number 1 seller of PV's in the U.S.
 

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I was at a vape shop last night to get batteries for my Provari. The use a style of battery that no place around here sells except that Provari dealer. I noticed that the display area was much reduced but not clearance. But down to just 2 P3's.

Things that hurt the Provari are...........

Mistaken belief that everything else just falls apart. Every mod I ever bought is still in service. All low end and some clones at that. 2-4 years ago that may have been a winning sales method but now its a loser.

That single button. 11 clicks just to check my battery?? Are you kidding me?? I don't change settings often but I do check my battery. Stupid system. I do see now why Provari owners don't leave the house without a banderlo of batteries.

Tube mod only. Some people like tubes and some people don't. Make both. I would trade my Provari tube for a box in a second.

With a shrinking retail presence they are gonna have some rough road ahead. Innernet only sales appeal pretty much to the hobbiest. No smoker ever says I wanna quit, better check the innernet. They go to a store and buy whatever is available.
 

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Mistaken belief that everything else just falls apart. Every mod I ever bought is still in service. All low end and some clones at that. 2-4 years ago that may have been a winning sales method but now its a loser.
Please see the end of my previous post. Many of todays mods are still being made cheaply (to the point of being considered disposable) which often dysfunction or fall apart with a simple fall to the ground -- accidents happen. This is very unlikely to happen with a Provari.

That single button. 11 clicks just to check my battery?? Are you kidding me?? I don't change settings often but I do check my battery. Stupid system. I do see now why Provari owners don't leave the house without a banderlo of batteries.
I don't need to check my battery often. I put in a new battery every day and know it will last. One of the first rules of vaping is to always carry an extra battery even if you don't plan to need it. I've never needed to carry a banderio of batteries, what ever that is.

Tube mod only. Some people like tubes and some people don't. Make both. I would trade my Provari tube for a box in a second.
I own both. I prefer tube mods. They feel better in my hand and fit better in my pocket. To each their own. (I would like to see Provape make a box shaped Provari).

With a shrinking retail presence they are gonna have some rough road ahead. Innernet only sales appeal pretty much to the hobbiest. No smoker ever says I wanna quit, better check the innernet. They go to a store and buy whatever is available.
Provape never had a strong presence in offline retail. Nearly all of their success has been from online sales. You don't see Reo's being sold in vape shops either, and they still have a lot of success being sold only online.

Just my :2c:
 
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I have battery gauges on most of my mods. I haven't carried a spare battery in forever. I have 40 dollar mods that never fail me and need no backup. I honestly don't even remember the last vape failure I've had. I'm a long way from my last smoke so even if I did have a failure its not like I'm gonna bum a smoke.

Without a gauge thats fast and easy its useless outside the house.

You like tube mods. I hate tube mods. They should sell both. Chevy sells trucks and cars.

Locally all old line vape shops sold Provari. The new ones don't. Now the old ones are backing off. Just different. Zen stuff is also very common around here cause its made up the road. Still see a good bit of Zen stuff but I don't know how much they sell.

If they get sunk, and I don't think thats what people are saying at all, it the P3 thats gonna do it. The P2/2.5 wasn't really a bad deal. Those they have stopped selling locally. They would run low power tanks just fine. The P3 is a couple hundred bucks to run a Nautilus. I see the value in a 2.5, I have one in front of me. I do not see the value in a P3.
 
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I will always be a Provari gal...even though its sad to see them abandoned it works for me because I can pick them up so cheap!
I have tried Sub Ohm and am not impressed. I don't need huge clouds nor do I care to suck up my juice twice as fast doing so. So I will continue to add to my Provari collection and very happy with my Kayfuns.
 

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I wish I bought a Provari starting out, still thinking of getting one actually for low wattage vaping. My first APV Tube Mod was an iTaste SVD, and the firing button went out in 2months... No they don't all just hold up... Also good customer service (Not that BS Asmodus) would be very nice to have.
 

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I will always be a Provari gal...even though its sad to see them abandoned it works for me because I can pick them up so cheap!
I have tried Sub Ohm and am not impressed. I don't need huge clouds nor do I care to suck up my juice twice as fast doing so. So I will continue to add to my Provari collection and very happy with my Kayfuns.

This may lead to another problem.

Vaping is a short term habit for most. So a company needs to stay relevant every day. Ex vapers with a shoebox full of fond memories don't pay the light bill.

And as you mentioned low demand on a product built to last creates a strong used market of low priced items. Which is a boom to buyers but not a good situation at all for Provape.
 
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Vaping is a short term habit for most. So a company needs to stay relevant every day. Ex vapers with a shoebox full of fond memories don't pay the light bill.

And as you mentioned low demand on a product built to last creates a strong used market of low priced items. Which is a boom to buyers but not a good situation at all for Provape.
Said as Provape smiles widely all the way to the bank. Believe me, Provape is not hurting for business.
 
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They also always talk about safety but isn't temp control one of the safest ways to vape? I don't think they have a leg to stand on at this point about anything for that price. If they would of just made a deal with evolv they could of still been the number 1 seller of PV's in the U.S.

If all vapers prefer TC in its more or less experimental stages, OK - it can be exciting. But I think a lot of vapers simply wait for a fully refined TC system that really deserves this name, i.e. is more/better than one of the several (necessary) development stages?

Electronics now is so cheap and relatively reliable. It makes no sense at all to pay for "quality" and customer service, when it is so easy and cheap to buy mode of the same (or better) performance just for $25 when needed.
But many people prefer to buy something that does not need to be replaced that soon?

And as you mentioned low demand on a product built to last creates a strong used market of low priced items. Which is a boom to buyers but not a good situation at all for Provape.
As to low demand vs. popularity of cheaper mods with shorter life cycle: I think what we see in ECF is a comparatively small segment of the vaping world.

Well ... one never knows, Super T is gone ... I hope Provape stays.
 

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Electronics now is so cheap and relatively reliable. It makes no sense at all to pay for "quality" and customer service, when it is so easy and cheap to buy mode of the same (or better) performance just for $25 when needed.

But many people prefer to buy something that does not need to be replaced that soon?

I never "replaced" my cheap, convenient and reliable mods. I just found out I like box mods better than tube mods, so I have bought couple of them. It is an old vaper's legend that cheaper mods are not reliable.
 

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Then throw some numbers up.

I have no information to share about the company's finances. But chatting on the innerweb in a general sense.

If you have actual numbers I would love to see them.
I don't have actual numbers, I'm not privy to that kind of information as I'm not a stockholder. I can use observation and common sense though. I suggest that you watch both videos below before you judge Provape's success.

Provape recently invested in a brand new multimillion dollar production plant. You couldn't do that if your business was failing.



 

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Said as Provape laughs all the way to the bank. Believe me, Provape is not hurting for business.

Provape does okay and aren't going anywhere.
They make a solid product and have a great track record for customer service.
That says ALOT in this industry of Facebook only shadiness, and pre sales.

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They would do a lot better if their rabid fan club would dial back the rhetoric.

Arrogantly saying things like " more power than vapers need" turns a lot of potential customers away.
Customers never appreciate being told what they need.
I sure don't. That's not how to entice customers.

They should market themselves more and stop their fan club from killing potential sales.
 
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