What House has the best Tobacco Juices???

[PatrickG]

It took 5 flavors for me to finally admit I'm not thrilled about BWB juice. I liked the RY4 very much after stalking the site for weeks to score a bottle and then waiting over a month for it to steep. If I could get it easily I would definitely buy more. I have a bottle of casablanca that's been aging for 2 weeks and I'm tired of waiting...may become my first trade. The rest of the ones I tried I was thrilled with at first, then fell out of love by the end of the bottle. I went back several times following the herd, ignoring my own personal taste.

So it wasn't for me, but can see why some people swear by BWB. Trends happen with everything, but something that's truly poor quality probably won't ever catch on...well, there was the snuggie...and pogs...

 

[Shilo]

Ok....I'll play. I agree...every vaper should have their go to house and not care what anyone else thinks about it. Having said that I would like to give the cliff notes version of my juice buying experience so far:

Total noob...buys starter kit and a bit of juice from same vendor...juice is ok as far as I know...but what do I know...I'm a noob.

Fanboys on ECF direct me to the OMG juice of all time. I buy said juice and...underwhelmed.

Check forums again and WHAT...Apparently I was listening to the wrong fan boys. These other fanboys over here have it going on. In fact their all snickering about the first group of fanboys..that OMG have to have liquid and all the lemmings that are lining up to buy it. Nope...they tell me the Ambrosia I seek is "this one".

I order "this one" and wait. I can't hardly stand it because "this one" is SOOOO much better than the OMG juice that first group of idiots were talking about. "this one" finally arrives and....underwhelmed.

WTF

Hold it. Now I learn that taste is subjective( like I didn't know different stroke for different folks). It's "subjective". I can't read a post anywhere that doesn't contain the phrase "taste is so subjective". I loathe this phrase and be warned...should we ever meet it would be best not to use this "really cool" catch phrase. Eye spitting could ensue.

Been spending lots of $$$, need juice and find Madvapes. 50 mls for like $11. Ok...lets do it. Juice arrives and you know what? It's not bad. Pretty good in fact.

Post a comment about Madvapes china juices...fanboys giggle and scoff. THEY would never be caught dead with a juice like that. "hey...where you been"? Haven't you heard? Billybob juiceguy just came out with "THEBOMB".

Check forums and find out every vaper and his brother are talking about and scrambling to get their hands on a bottle of "THEBOMB". Demand is so great that it can only be ordered every other tuesday. But only if the saturday before it was a full moon and Jewish holiday combo. Ultimately 10 people actually get this juice. In fact, these same 10 people post for months that they just got a new bottle of "THEBOMB"..over and over. How they always seem to get it is beyond me, but magically after months of trying...I finally get some.......underwhelmed.

Oh well....back to the Madvapes bacco juices. I find I really like the DK tab and ry4 and 555 and desert ship.
OK...to make a long story short " lather/rinse/repeat " about a dozen more times and here we are....

So..the moral of this heart wrenching tale is twofold.

#1. Regardless of cost or the "froo froo" factor that other vapers put on a juice...vape what tastes good to you.

#2. Fanboys suck. They have cost me lots of $ and I'm sure they have cost lots of other people lots of $. Once again...fanboys suck and should all be reprimanded harshly. Oh...sorry. We can't do that. They will pull out the "taste is so subjective" card and claim this weeks new designer/must have juice REALLY IS the best ever.

ok...I feel better. Thanks for letting me rant. I have found some good juices, but alas they are carto killers. I won't mention juices that totally underwhelmed me but here is what I like.

#1. Madvapes. I like the tobacco juices and the price is right.
#2.Want2vape. Great juice...but major carto killer. I'm cheap and don't want to bust out a new carto every day.
#3. Goodejuice. Good juice (house brews)...carto killer.
#4. Mom and pops. Same as #3.

Taste is subjective buddy its not something said here to annoy you its almost a disclaimer as in-- I love this but you might not.

I agree Goodejuice along with ALL house extracted tobaccos is hard on cartos but its worth it especially if you are willing to use a tank. However they are number one so far on my list for taste and price for house extracted.

No perfumey or floral taste, chemical tasting etc which is probably what I would think of Mad Vapes juices which you like. See how opinions vary? LOL

Thats why Frankster, when asking for advice on best house juices one should clarify if they allready know they like house extracted real tobacco juices or are just fine with the perfumey tobacco imitating essence's out there which are abundant and not the same thing at all. I am sure you have some opinions of your own and have tried several of these based on your previous threads.

As for fanboys, I have no comment, I'm a black sheep- enuff said on that one.

 

[PaporPlas]

I'm a noob, so nowhere near the experience of ya'll. Have been vaping my menthol from LeCig, where I got my PV (Pig Cig). Tried some VM samples. One was Menthol, nope. Just received some vanilla from LeCig to go along with my 30ml refill menthol. The vanilla, not so much on the taste. Have some goodies coming from BWB - we'll see.

While on the topic, here's a very interesting eJuice review: Juice Review -- IVape.net - YouTube

Anyone use this vendor?

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

lol...now humor s "subjective" too. Just yankin your chain L.B......

Haha, yeah that's why I said it. Figured you'd get it. Guess I should've added the imperative "" for running jokes, sarcasm, etc. Anyways, you proved my point. Humor and tone, especially in type, is easily misconstrued. Just as taste depends on your palate (has this been mentioned? ). As far as fanboys (god, I hate that term), well I'd like to think they're essential. As are cynics (like you?/me). And to further prove your point, I happen to like BWB 'baccos thus far. But I'd rather hear your "underwhelming" experience with them in one ear and fanboys in the other than just one or the other. We need that balance--the Oracle told me so. So thanks for all feedback. To PatrickG: Let me add, though I'm sure you've heard it repeatedly, that for me Casablanca improved greatly after just a week or so. At first it was too harsh and too chocolatey for me, but then it mellowed a bit. I also went to LR attys on my eGo-C and that seemed to help. Now it almost reminds me of my old Camel Turkish Golds, but of course better and the added cocoa finish.


NOW, it just so happens AVE was one on my "to try" list, though I'm hesitant to go all VG on the eGo-C. I'm now leaning more toward trying Vermillion, Vaperite, Vapor Station, CopperCreek (just to vary from the V's) as result of the hubbub surrounding their tobaccos. I'd love to hear an argument singling one of them out. I'm looking for a good RY4 or a rich 'bacco with a little sweetness. So far my favorites include BWB Casablanca, 555 Exotic and Volcano's Tobacco Pure. Haven't tried more that 7-8 at this point so I'm all ears. I was considering Vaperite's VR4 and Honey Horn Cured (yet to try a RY4, really want a honey/cured tobacco), but [edit: heard] Vaperite's juices are thick and clog/wear attys quickly. They have a great price with added sample so I might give it a shot anyway. VR's Kentucky Premium Blend and no.7 sound very enticing though. I'm on a starving artist's budget so I need to settle on just one vendor (as per thread title), one order for the time being so some feedback would be great. And please don't shy away if you hated any of these. I'm kind of a romantic for cynicism so feed me that sh**!

Much thanks, 'bacco juice fan(boy)s!!

 

[varon]

lol...now humor s "subjective" too. Just yankin your chain L.B......

I'm a little leary of outing juices I didn't care for because (and I'm trying really hard to not use the "s" word) because we all like different things. I love lamb, veal and pork. These 3 things turn my wifes stomach. I don't get it....they rock...in my opinion. She hates them.

Ok...here we go, but bear in mind that this is only MY opinion. I know that these juices/venders have a rabid following and for good reason...I guess. I mean if someone really loves a juice...I get that. I love lamb, my warden hates it. Ok..I understand. My problem lies with the fanboys that constantly extol the, what I feel is, unrealistic virtues of their new juice/vendor of the week. I blame myself for some of it...I mean..dude has 14 posts and a "analog free since tuesday" banner and I'm listening to him ( I blame Anhueser Busch and others for some of these but...) this guy is just one of many that you see spewing their fandom here every night. Caveat Emptor I guess.

Look...this is an actual post I saw just the other day...swear to god...not embellishing a bit..sort of (not really).

"Dude...This stuff is so amazing. The flavor reminds me of breast feeding and the vapor production caused 3 fire stations to dispatch trucks to my house. Since I've been vaping this my chronic halitosis has disappeared, my dog quit ...... on the carpet, my wife is skinnier and my wallet is fatter. It's so good that when I vape it...my neighbors erectile dysfunction disappears...I highly recommend you buy this now..the big bottle...the REALLY big bottle...peace out."

Over the top? Yeah...but all in all not really too far off from some of the fanposts that we all see here. I like to think that I have become savvy enough to not get pulled in, been vaping for over a year, but now I find myself with 3 new vapers at work that I would like to protect from making the $ame mi$take$ that I did. I'm just so virtuous that way.

Alright...enough drivel. I could mention a half dozen or so, but will only mention 2. In no way is my mentioning these particular 2 a condemnation of them. I know they both have a great following. These are just the main 2 that as a newer vaper were constantly pushed as the "if you aint vaping it you suck" juices/vendors.

#1. BWB
#2. Ave

After all the hype these 2 underwhelmed me more than any of the others. AND I REALIZE IT S PROBABLY ME AND MY PARTICULAR TASTE. So all you BWB and AVE fanboys, just calm down. It's not personal...just nowhere as great as all the hype made it out to be. Not trying to ruffle feathers....just my opinion....and if it helps anyone that I may have offended....I have it on good authority (wife) that I'm a total dumba&&...so take it with a grain of salt.

Hawk, you have just made me actually laugh out loud,(pause, still laughing), but actually, humor IS subjective and my wife has none.

I am now petitioning the powers that be, to please make this a sticky, I am also petitioning you, Mr. Hawkizefan, to please write a weekly rant if a daily rant is out of the question.

 

[kazz63758]

While on the topic, here's a very interesting eJuice review: Juice Review -- IVape.net - YouTube

Anyone use this vendor?

I like IVape's Sweet Caroline and Carolina Sunset. Haven't cared for their sweeter juices, though.

 

[PatrickG]

To PatrickG: Let me add, though I'm sure you've heard it repeatedly, that for me Casablanca improved greatly after just a week or so. At first it was too harsh and too chocolatey for me, but then it mellowed a bit. I also went to LR attys on my eGo-C and that seemed to help. Now it almost reminds me of my old Camel Turkish Golds, but of course better and the added cocoa finish.

I smoked turkish golds for a while as well. Now that you mention it, the similarity is pretty spot on. I think I've been off cigs long enough now that the cig-like "smokeyness" in some liquids is a now a negative for me. Any camel smoker that's recently made the switch to vaping would probably love this juice.

 

[hawkizefan]

@ shilo

Hope I didn't offend...wasn't my intent. Goodejuice IS good stuff. I like it but it doesn't play nice with my cartos and I do tank up most of the time.to be fair I know that Goodejuice is planning on tweaking their formula to address this issue. I currently have 3 juices from them that I have no intention of getting rid of...I'll just use them when I feel my current carto is near its end.

I just hate the term subjective. Can we just use personal instead? Lol...I also hate the phrases ymmv...out of the box and It's not you..It's me. But that's kid me.


@ varon

Lol...nobody wants to hear my rants...not weekly and definately not daily. I know this for a fact...my family tells me this. Although I could vent a bit about the driving habits of others. I think about this one everyday on my commute.

As far as the Wifes humor issue...I feel your pain brother. Perhaps yours and mine are long lost sisters separated at birth. I do however use my Wifes sense of humor as a barometer as to what is truly funny. An eyeroll=funny. An eyeroll, groan and frown combo = downright hilarious. I pick movies based on this system. Way better than the 2 thumbs up method.

 

[FRANKSTER]

I would like to know, where are all the bwb people ?...They are always chanting how great the juice is from that house. I guess the juice there is so great, there is no reason to talk about it anymore...They might not get their juice if the secret gets out...lol

Backwoods Brew...where are you!

 

[sheik124]

The only reason I wouldn't go as far as saying I've been "burned" on juice is because I made the decision to buy it. Except Johnson Creek, I got burned on that stuff. I can still taste it if I think about it. The only thing that gets me is when people rant and rave about a juice, I order 10-20 mL of it, and I'm SOL after the first 2 mL because it's a Boge destroyer. Or because deep down inside, it tastes just like a China juice (Halo, flame on). I don't want to bother with a juice if it requires an additional $20 worth of equipment. Or dripping. I vape on the go, I like to load up two cartos (or an eGo-C tank) and leave.

It's nice to order a juice, and be pleasantly surprised at a flavor you didn't think you'd find in a vape. VaporStation's VS4 has a very interesting "smokey" quality to it that I've never found in another juice, but I also never tried any of VS's other juices; it might just be how their base tastes.

To be honest, the only juice "house" I've found with good, easy on equipment tobacco juices is Decadent Vapours. They don't try anything fancy with carto-clogging extracts, the flavors are familiar, but you get that extra bit of quality that is lacking in China juices. I would much rather pay $ for a good 555 that I know I'll like than Jimbo Juice or .....in' Blend. And at the prices I got their DIY flavors, I should be set for quite some time.

Problems with vaping:
Juices that rape equipment, pushing a vaping budget back into smoking territory (VapeRite's extracts. Which was disappointing, because they're delicious).
Juices that are ambiguously named (Gorilla Juice, Boba's Bounty; they taste good. Not "stay up until 1 AM bashing the F5 key" good).
Juices that just taste like straight vanilla extract (Copper Creek's House Blend comes to mind. Good thing I liked VooDoo).
Tobacco juices that taste like roses (DV Gallois comes to mind. Very tasty, too perfumed).
The RY4 craze.

I rather dislike hearing people hate on AVE. The juice is tasty. Raf-a-licious is probably the only RY4 I've tried that I liked, because it didn't have that "gym sock sweat" aftertaste that's lingered on almost every RY4 I've tried (including the "original" some years ago). I keep a bottle of Gorilla Juice on hand. And they're a very good 100% VG house. I think people forget that 100% VG is why they're big, and why they have a big rabid following; some people don't like PG!

 

[FRANKSTER]

The only reason I wouldn't go as far as saying I've been "burned" on juice is because I made the decision to buy it. Except Johnson Creek, I got burned on that stuff. I can still taste it if I think about it. The only thing that gets me is when people rant and rave about a juice, I order 10-20 mL of it, and I'm SOL after the first 2 mL because it's a Boge destroyer. Or because deep down inside, it tastes just like a China juice (Halo, flame on). I don't want to bother with a juice if it requires an additional $20 worth of equipment. Or dripping. I vape on the go, I like to load up two cartos (or an eGo-C tank) and leave.

It's nice to order a juice, and be pleasantly surprised at a flavor you didn't think you'd find in a vape. VaporStation's VS4 has a very interesting "smokey" quality to it that I've never found in another juice, but I also never tried any of VS's other juices; it might just be how their base tastes.

To be honest, the only juice "house" I've found with good, easy on equipment tobacco juices is Decadent Vapours. They don't try anything fancy with carto-clogging extracts, the flavors are familiar, but you get that extra bit of quality that is lacking in China juices. I would much rather pay $ for a good 555 that I know I'll like than Jimbo Juice or .....in' Blend. And at the prices I got their DIY flavors, I should be set for quite some time.

Problems with vaping:
Juices that rape equipment, pushing a vaping budget back into smoking territory (VapeRite's extracts. Which was disappointing, because they're delicious).
Juices that are ambiguously named (Gorilla Juice, Boba's Bounty; they taste good. Not "stay up until 1 AM bashing the F5 key" good).
Juices that just taste like straight vanilla extract (Copper Creek's House Blend comes to mind. Good thing I liked VooDoo).
Tobacco juices that taste like roses (DV Gallois comes to mind. Very tasty, too perfumed).
The RY4 craze.

I rather dislike hearing people hate on AVE. The juice is tasty. Raf-a-licious is probably the only RY4 I've tried that I liked, because it didn't have that "gym sock sweat" aftertaste that's lingered on almost every RY4 I've tried (including the "original" some years ago). I keep a bottle of Gorilla Juice on hand. And they're a very good 100% VG house. I think people forget that 100% VG is why they're big, and why they have a big rabid following; some people don't like PG!

Thanks for the info...I have heard good things about vs4...I will try it one of these days and also decadent vapors...I too rather pay up for quality.

 

[varon]

I would like to know, where are all the bwb people ?...They are always chanting how great the juice is from that house. I guess the juice there is so great, there is no reason to talk about it anymore...They might not get their juice if the secret gets out...lol

Backwoods Brew...where are you!

It seems bwb people have created a subforum of their own with like a chain of command and everything, it's rather interesting, I don't really know how to feel about that, live and let live I guess.

 

[varon]

That's what I am talking about Hawk, driving habits is a good one, of course you can't post it on eliquid thread but maybe on a offtopic one.

I seriously doubt that my wife and yours are even remotely related as mine was created in a far away galaxy and programmed with advanced software that recognizes all my human buttons which she proceeds to push every time there is any sign of happiness.LOL

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

Hope I didn't offend...wasn't my intent.

I think you did. Be proud. *WINK*

I just hate the term subjective. Can we just use personal instead? Lol...I also hate the phrases ymmv...out of the box and It's not you..It's me. But that's kid me.

Sounds like you hate of lot of things. You sound like my girlfriend. She hates half of the words she hears. Also, what are you doing this weekend?

An eyeroll=funny. An eyeroll, groan and frown combo = downright hilarious. I pick movies based on this system. Way better than the 2 thumbs up method.

1. I immediately pictured Kristen Wiig. "Oh, Brother!"
2. Anything choice based on a "system" is flawed. SEE: The Matrix (I refer to this a lot. Matrix Nerd. Get used to it. I did.)

Juices that rape equipment.

Brilliant! Ya know, it just seems so wrong, right? So does Vaperite's VS4 clog cartos? How are respectful are they to the eGo-C attys?
You like VooDoo... Have you tried Twisted Tobacco? They seem the same, one with more emphasis on caramel. Could you compare? I just don't want a near absent tobacco flavor, when described as "undertones" I tremble. I'm considering one of these or VapeRite's VR4 at the moment. What say you, sir!?

I would like to know, where are all the bwb people ?...They are always chanting how great the juice is from that house. I guess the juice there is so great, there is no reason to talk about it anymore...They might not get their juice if the secret gets out...lol

Backwoods Brew...where are you!

It seems bwb people have created a subforum of their own with like a chain of command and everything, it's rather interesting, I don't really know how to feel about that, live and let live I guess.

I'm not committed yet. (In both senses of the word!) But I guess I'm BWB so far. Ordered more from them than anyone. 6 bottles (yeah, I'm still a recent convert.) BTW, I've checked out that sub forum. The people are batpoo for that stuff. "Chanting" is a good way to describe it. Like a monastery. Don is always active, and comes off to me as a jaded & grumpy old man, wore down from the fiery demand(s) for his few elusive juices (RY4, eJoker, Honey Flues). I've yet to see them available since vaping. Again, not long, but it seems like they only come out a couple times a year as his 'special' ingredient suppliers can't produce. That makes it hard to call any vendor their "house", when you can't get what you want. To be fair, Don has apparently made some ultimatums with said suppliers. I think a Mexican stand-off may ensue. Still, Don does appear to be a brewmaster's brewmaster (?). And for many vapfolk, it's good stuff man. I must say, I can't put Casablanca down myself (okay, the movie too! ). I also like their 555's, Maple (talk about equipment rape), Virginia I'm contemplating. And, yeah, where is that BWB mobb?!? I'm gathering they are learning to hush up about it so they can have a chance at getting the goodies. Oh, wait, never mind, I hear the chanting again.

Have I told you about this Backwoods Brew place? And Don, if you read this, I'm sure you're young and not old at all.

I think people forget that 100% VG is why they're big, and why they have a big rabid following; some people don't like PG!

And how was the Boba's on your eGo-C? I'd try AVE but don't want it to do unheard of things to my daughter.

(my atomizer...of course)

*fingers exhale*

 

[radamist]

Goodejuice is my main juice vendor at this moment, and yes GJ4 is a carto killer but hey I love that juice, so I think about it as a colateral damage.
Vaporstation is my number two liquid vendor (VS4 , Frisco).
BWB - two bottles are sitting in my ejuice storage under "too floral/perfumey" section.

 

[Butch]

Likely to get flamed for this but I don't have just one. I use TVR for RED, BWB for 555, & you wont like it but V2 for Sahara. Those are the only juices I use, dont even try anything else, those 3 are what I like. Dont need more.

 

[varon]

I would really love it if Ave could replicate the essence of bobas in a pg based juice, the current version is just not friendly to my cartos, I used to use it with 306 attys but now I use cartos only and that is the reason I don't vape Ave anymore.

 

[melloyello]

having "one house" is almost like eating the same tasting foods day in day out because so many vendors use the same base when mixing. i think its much more common to have 3 or 4 vendors to mix and match so you dont get burnt out on the flavors.

my liquid vendors are:
1-ave (clogging cartos but oh-well)
2-nlv middle of the road carto killer
3-vermillion river (i think these liquids are very carto friendly)

thinking of trying copper creek house blend.

 

[kumquat]

I like Vermont Vapor's Tobacco flavor and Johnson Creek's Red Oak Domestic and Tennessee Cured and their JC Original. I don't vape any sweet juices or things that try to mimic coffee or whatever.

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

having "one house" is almost like eating the same tasting foods day in day out because so many vendors use the same base when mixing. i think its much more common to have 3 or 4 vendors to mix and match so you dont get burnt out on the flavors.

my liquid vendors are:
1-ave (clogging cartos but oh-well)
2-nlv middle of the road carto killer
3-vermillion river (i think these liquids are very carto friendly)

thinking of trying copper creek house blend.

Cool beans. Thanks for the word on how they play with cartos! House Blend is up on my list too, just hearing it's not much of a tobacco base.

Anyone try CC's Twisted Tobacco??