What I think The Why The FDA is Jacking Us

[Cartomeister]

Being allowed to vape indoors would 1) show more people ecigarettes and how its allowed indoors. 2) It would show more people that they exist. 3) Make those trying to quit smoking that they dont have to use 3A) Chantix (which for the time I was on it I was psychotic and had serious thoughts of suicide). 3B) Quit smoking aids would no longer be needed. 3C) The FDA would lose all the profits from those pharmaceutical sales. I dont think its about the health concerns of others that would see us vaping indoors and think its second hand smoke. Its about the money the FDA is not going to make. To say the FDA is not founded on greed would be like saying there is no greed on wall street. We need doctors to come to hearings and speak their mind. Every doctor I have been to has said that the ecigarette is totally acceptable. One of them even waved a plume in his direction to see if he could smell it. You know what he said? "mmm peach", which was funny because it was pear. My uncle is an MD, if I take him out to diner I could possibly get him to come to a hearing, but it would have to be in NYC. He is old but well known at Mt. Siani Hospital. Free food wins his heart. Can someone alert me of a hearing in NYC?

 

[xg4bx]

Exactly. The biggest mistake anyone could make is thinking that the government gives a crap about them. We are simply cogs meant to work, pay taxes and drop dead as soon as possible. As with everything in life it boils down to money money money. I guarantee if Big tobacco introduced a pv, what we're using now would be immediately outlawed. We'd be forced to stick their new brand of poison in our lungs.

I don't generally like to talk politics often because I'm pretty militant but it all boils down to money and who stands to gain by keeping pvs in the grey market.

 

[Cartomeister]

everyone needs to make a nice donation to the FDA. But this donation requires a lot of plastic bags and toilet paper, let the FDA shovel some real .... for once.

 

[lmrasch]

Being allowed to vape indoors would 1) show more people ecigarettes and how its allowed indoors. 2) It would show more people that they exist. 3) Make those trying to quit smoking that they dont have to use 3A) Chantix (which for the time I was on it I was psychotic and had serious thoughts of suicide). 3B) Quit smoking aids would no longer be needed. 3C) The FDA would lose all the profits from those pharmaceutical sales. I dont think its about the health concerns of others that would see us vaping indoors and think its second hand smoke. Its about the money the FDA is not going to make. To say the FDA is not founded on greed would be like saying there is no greed on wall street. We need doctors to come to hearings and speak their mind. Every doctor I have been to has said that the ecigarette is totally acceptable. One of them even waved a plume in his direction to see if he could smell it. You know what he said? "mmm peach", which was funny because it was pear. My uncle is an MD, if I take him out to diner I could possibly get him to come to a hearing, but it would have to be in NYC. He is old but well known at Mt. Siani Hospital. Free food wins his heart. Can someone alert me of a hearing in NYC?

Here's an excerpt from Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary:

The rest of the story is that by virtue of its appointment of numerous members with financial conflicts of interest with Big Pharma, the FDA Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee has now become a literal extension of pharmaceutical company financial interests. These companies have been given the gift of a seat at the table (actually, four seats).

This means that 7 of the 12 seats on the panel are now industry seats:

Big Tobacco: 3
Big Pharma: 4
Total Industry Seats: 7

The tobacco and pharmaceutical industries must be laughing all the way to the bank. There's nothing like sitting on the panel of the Agency that regulates your products or makes decisions about the regulation of the products of your chief competitors.

To read the whole story, follow the link:
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Four Members of FDA Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee Have Received Pharmaceutical Money; Influence of Industry on FDA Grows

Yep....followin' the money trail

 

[Kaen6]

I actually saw a Chantix commercial tonight that stated some of the side effects could result in death. I think a side effect of smoking analogs is death. Hmmm...

I took that crap for 2 months. They left off "divorce" as a side effect. Trust me on this one...

 

[bearrp3]

All about the money....Cure cancer or profit from it????

 

[Cartomeister]

All about the money....Cure cancer or profit from it????

That is a good point, but people, dont leave out social security. If you are not alive to collect, who gets it?

There is more to smoking than meets the eye.

 

[magenta0125]

1 - They cannot tax it. Since there is no tobacco in the electronic cigarette, it's not subject to tax law that raise the prices of cigarettes whenever they feel like it.

2 - Since it's not billed as a 'stop smoking' device but as an alternative smoking device, the FDA has no reason/right to test it becuase it makes no medical claims to stop smoking like gums and patches, so they can't regulate it.

3 - Boils down to they cannot make money from them and stand to lose much more as electronic cigarettes become more popular.

You'd think if they gave a crap about the people dieing daily from tobacco cigarettes and chemicals and carsinogens, they'd applaud it.

It's money - money - money ---- that's all.

 

[orville99]

All about the money....Cure cancer or profit from it????

Of course the government argument to this is that if they don't tax the hell out of smoking, they can't generate the funds to find a cure for cancer caused by smoking

 

[Vini]

Government is addicted to tobacco taxes more than we to nicotine.

In Northern NJ I was paying about $8 per pack.
In Brooklyn about month ago I payed $13.
There are truck drivers who bring cigarettes from other states and sell them for $5 while buying for under $3.

Let's do the math.
In "other" states retail price is less than $3 where tobacco company makes its profit, state has it's tobacco tax + sales tax.
It would be safe to assume that $3 is reasonable price for a pack of cigs those days.

Now let's focus on New York City (NYC)
With real population over 9 000 000 (official 8.3 mil), we can safely estimate at least 1mil of packs sold each day at $13 (all numbers are rough) where $10 per pack goes to "find the cure for addiction, cancer etc".
Simple calculation will produce $10 millions per day in "greater good" charges.

Same simple calculation will give u about $350 000 000 per year in NYC alone!

If anyone is familiar with scientists/medical researchers etc, you know: $350M per year is HUGE amount.
Research facilities should take few blocks in midtown Manhattan or 4-5 blocks in Brooklyn...

Spend $200M for salaries and get easily 2000 employees (some of them work for $300k some for $35K).
Than spend another $150M for everything else and you can expect and demand some results...

And again, we are talking about NYC alone!

So, where money go?

 

[redrobin347]

I will illegally vape if they are ever outlawed. But the TC is correct. It is all about the $$$.

 

[bearrp3]

I will illegally vape if they are ever outlawed. But the TC is correct. It is all about the $$$.

You have been charged with using some sort of device that makes a vapor of some kind that may or may not contain nicotine ...lmao love to see a lawyer get a hold of that 1

 

[AnnLove]

They just want to start regulating so they can charge us those ridiculous taxes and fees that they do on other nicotine products. I think it stems from a misunderstanding. They don't understand the miracle e-cigs have been for many of us, and think that if it looks like smoking, then it must be.

I'm the kind of person who has always been too shy to vape in public, even at those mall kiosks (except when I'm trying out their models . Too all the bold I say, vape everywhere! Let's show the world that they have nothing to fear, and that vaping is one of the best things that has happened to our health!

 

[Shotline]

Something I have not seen mentioned yet is the alphabet soup of anti-smoking organizations that will stand to lose millions of dollars if people quit smoking. They have a vested interest in people continuing to smoke tobacco.

 

[humarock]

Here Here to all, the FDA and Gov could give a burning flying crap about us! They could care LESS if this is the best thing since sliced BREAD! and a better and healthier way to quit or continue smoking if one chooses right? Okay, nicotine, not good BUT hell, neither is drinking! So you gotta pick your evils I guess....they are a greedy group, they all play in the same sandbox and we're not invited....they make fat paychecks, that mind you we all pay into, they take their s....y vacations, wanna guess who I'm talking about? and it's on OUR dime and when was MY last vacation? SERIOUSLY! I hope it CONTINUES that they can't get their fingers and little greedy paws into this AT ALL for now!.... OH, Polictics can really get me:

 

[Silkies70]

Maybe the FDA should worry about those ROTTEN EGGS on the supermarket shelves instead of worring about vapers! But eggs are hard, ecigs are too easy. maybe thats why they took this road instead.