What thw Doctor told my Father In Law about Ecigs!!!!!!!

[Creature]

THIS, is what the Doctor told me! ( I am not talking about the Doctor with Rachel)

Must watch whole video to see what I am saying (right after 7:10 you can say ahhh lol)

YouTube - Rachel Ray Talks about Banning Ecigs

 

[Polioud]

There are so many reasons why that is BS.

1. Save your money? We are saving money. And using the patch or the gum long term actually costs more. The government loves that, of course, since they make money off it.

2. The patch and the gum fail 95% of the time. E-cigs work as much as 85% of the time, according to the polls on ECF.

In these two things lies the reason for why there is so much hate and controversy towards e-cig. Numbers don't lie: conventional measures of quiting smoking fail miserably whereas the new kid on the block (e-cig) seems to be a major success. This is sure to be upseting some major economical interests; both the smoke industry and the gum/patch industry only stand to lose major money if e-cig becomes widespread and publicly accepted.

And as we all know there is this little thing called "lobbying" which manifested itself with the FDA e-cig review and other like events.

Make no mistake people: Analog smoking is a cornerstone of western economy in so many levels both direct (smoke products & anti-smoke products) and indirect (healthcare,life insurances, pensions etc) ... it won't go down without a fight and major repercussions

edit: as proof of the battle there is about to commence on the legal/economical front here is a post from another thread in these forums:

I, like I'm sure many of you folks, am covered by a health plan at my place of work. I have routinely checked 'smoker', which causes my co-payments for insurance to be higher of course. The rules state that you have to be 'tobacco free' for a year to switch your status to non-smoker. I've only been vaping for a few weeks, and still steal about an analog or two a day, but I'm thinking that for next year's insurance I will claim 'non-smoker' status.

Anyone done this? Has anyone volunteered the information to their insurance companies that they 'vape' but no longer partake of traditional tobacco cigarettes? I am curious as to how the insurance companies look at this - any feedback or experiences would be welcome! Of course you could always just say you have been smoke free for a year and leave it at that

Thanks!
Daniel

 

[peekers93]

I just "explained", and "demo'ed" my e-cig to a General Surgeon last weekend. Not only was he all for the idea, his wife who works in a rehab facility asked me to send her information & links, because the jackassed facility is removing even CAFFEINE from the place! She is in charge of "ordering" nicotine replacement for these folks. When she (a non-smoker) tried it she said, "WOW! This might work!" I assured her it does.

 

[tvap]

tried the gum didnt work for me. smoking a pack a day was killing me both physically & financially 800 a pack! 510 kit has worked for me for 4 mos now and just got a prodigty v3. for me it was going through the actual movements that has helped

 

[Drumonron]

Don't get me started on anti-depressant drugs. I have known many people take them, including my mother. People end up with boxes of that crap and they do zero. They clearly should be all banned. At best they simply hide the problem. At worst they slowly kill your will to live. They are pathetic.

Ouch! You touched a nerve there Doc. I'm not going to go on a rant so I'll just say I agree with you. My feelings are that the US Citizens have had the wool pulled over our eyes for 15 - 20 years now and it's going to change soon thanks to Canada. I believe Canada's need to reduce the cost of the Universal Health is going to and has exposed the victimization of the American Public who actually pay for healthcare. I've read of markups on US Pharmaceuticals in excess of 500,000 percent! Yeah, not 500 percent, that's 500,000 percent. That's a lot of rich lobbying power....I compare healthcare industrialists in the US to the Tobacco company of the 50s and 60s where they shuffed down our throats the misconception that smoking was actually healthy in that special way that the marketing machines have. You know, I call it brainwashing.

Sorry for the rant....good thread though.

Don't even get me started on the Depression Pharmaceutical Industry.

According to any Psychologist in America, we're all depressed and potential clients...IMHO.

I will be the last person to listen to what the Organizations that be have to say about ecigs.

Vape On

PS I'm my own test subject and the prognosis is good, Doc!

By the way, I have first hand knowledge of the failed attempts at quitting smoking via the following methods:

1. Patch
2. Gum
3. Inhaler(not vaping)
4. Welbuterin
5. Chantix
6. hynotist(i'm told it's my fault by this guy)
7. tried so many things - can't remember them!

The following method succeeded:

1. Personal Vaporizer
2. Electronic Cigarette
3. Electronic Nicotine Inhalator

VAPE ON BRUTHAS AND SISTAS

 

[RedForeman]

I haven't read the whole thread but it seems like the OP ought to consider letting the doctor's party line advice about PVs fall in the same place the no smoking lectures used to go - in one ear and out the other.

I've gotten 3 out of 3 positive remarks from doctors I've seen over the past couple of months. My eye doctor, dentist, and periodontist (I had a bone graft in my jaw) all said the same thing: good for you any substitute is better than tobacco, now work on getting off the nicotine when you can. Also:

- Dental checkup went well, gums are healthy and receding areas are healing up.
- Osseo surgery healed up perfectly with excellent results (corrected a deep pocket from wisdom tooth extraction 25 years ago).
- Reduced need for astigmatism correction.
- BP is improved and within normal range. Was on the border of pre-hypertension before when smoking.

Of course they all stopped short of saying "wow that's a great idea where can I get referral info," but I'm satisfied with the positive feedback I did get.

 

[fugazig]

nicotine patch or gum = e cigarette? rubbish. i was considering buying some nicotine lozenges about a month ago... $45 for 1-2 weeks supply! that's about the same price as my 2 piece ego kit! i would like to mention that people often vape 0 or low nicotine juice and it works for them... more than patches that are loaded with nicotine. addiction is very complex, it is not purely physiological or "in your head"

creature, thanks for the video

 

[Senrysa]

This. Doctors take an oath to "do no harm."

To recommend something that is 95% likely to fail and the user will go back to smoking, over something that is 85% likely to succeed and keep the user off cigarettes, doesn't seem to be in agreement with that oath.

I guess I missed the clause where it says "...unless it is financially gainful to do harm."

or politically helpful for you. I have not told my dr yet its been 6 weeks and I am down using vg to reduce my nic to basically nothing. He has been on me for years in a nice way to quit...he orderd the rx ...worked for 2 weeks. I have some serious medical problems so I think he will be happy I laid the analogs to rest...I was so shocked that I didn't even want another I felt like I should have a little funeral for the few I had left. That's how confident I was. I like ...no I LOVE to smoke so vaping is perfect for me. Thanks to videos like yours I have learned a lot. I mix my own and that does require a commitment because if you don't do your mixes you can't run to the store and buy some.
Overall I'm thrilled. I started with the min cig kit...went to the ego and got my first mega battery and I am now looking for a PCC and a few more batteries.

Any dr who doesn't want patients to quit analogs even if it for e-cigs can't be thinking of patient.
My friends and family are a little weirded out by the vaping concept but one of my daughters is using an rx to kit before a surgery she has to have and it is just not working well. I almost feel guilty that it has been so easy for me.