What I would like to do-

[Nightseer]

I have been vaping at work for a few weeks, and several people I work with are extremely interested in trying it-problem is cost of startup (I work in a large chain store not much higher than minimum wage). I am buying myself a new startup next time my paycheck comes through, and will be gifting my 4081 (njoy npro) to the first lady that asked about it as the cartridges are readily available here, plus will be giving her a few that I made with some juice.

My question is this. A LOT of people start with the 4081's and move on (I did), would anyone be willing to part with working ones relatively cheap? Freebies also welcomeI have enough stuff for two or three starter kits if I had extra chargers, and would like to give some of them away to people who will never try this due to original startup-so if you had a spare kit of this particular type it would be great. Also gamucci?sp is available locally so anything compatible with them also welcome. As I said, the 4081/gamucci?sp cartridges are available/cheap here so that would be the way I had to go....unless someone wants to donate a full setup wich is easy to use/newbie friendly......Anyway, I ramble, but think it's a good idea if I had a clue what people would charge for used 4081 startup kits it would help me plan if it was practical on my budget or if I should just give up now.

Anyway, I don't get paid for a few weeks so this is more info gathering on weather this is possible/practical than anything else.

Also would like to add a thank you for Tommy if you read this forum hon-I know I haven't seen you for a few weeks but I think your gift may have saved my life-and def. Saved my lungs.

 

[markfm]

I'm a KR808D-1 user. The XL batteries are a true 3.7V, 380 mAh (healthy -- they last a handful of hours of solid use between recharges).

I have a loaner XL (several batts, chargers, that I've picked up cheap through classifieds and sales). One XL battery with a single full carto is enough to give someone an idea of if it's for them, has enough potential to be worth following up.

If it is, then they go to a full kit -- 2 batteries, charger, initial set of pre-filled cartos. Several ECF Forum vendors are always having sales -- the initial cost of entry, living in lovely NYS, turns out to be about the price of a carton here (our taxes are terrible).

Net cost to do the tryout = 1 carto.

 

[Bahnzo]

Mark's idea is a good one...a solid way to give someone a good experience to give them the feel.

I have this theory though.....I think that giving away a kit to someone can be a bit counter productive. I know this is against the PIF spirit, but hear me out here.

I've tried to convert a couple people that have expressed interest w/o success. I gave both a full PV setup with juices and the whole bit to get them started. Both didn't take to it. My theory is that just like quitting smoking, people have to want to do this. And, they need to be motivated to do it as well. Being financially invested in it helps with that motivation in a big way IMO. If you just get something that's free, you have the thought that "If it doesn't work, then oh well, I'm not out anything". But if you actually spend the money needed to get started, the motivation to really give it a try is much stronger. And for that reason works much better IMO.

I know when I first gave this a try, I spent the money I would've used for buying cigarettes on a Riva setup and some juice. I was motivated to quit anyways (which is why we initially gave these a try anyways, right?), but being financially invested in it, made a big difference as well. Sure some people can't afford the initial costs and for those people, it makes sense to give them some help if needed; I'm all for it. But I've kinda come to the realization that just giving away a PV to someone can maybe be a bad thing to do.

 

[Vermonster13]

Sound advice.

 

[markfm]

That's why I said loaner -- literally something that I use to let another try it, then if they like it they need to pony up the $. I'll point them to a good source or two, help if they run into a problem or turn out to be PG intolerant, let them try some of the juices I get by all means, but up front it's basically either tobacco or menthol, enough mg to do the trick, let em go with it.

Too many choices up front wouldn't have gotten me to stop smoking -- I needed simple with enough mg to stop the cravings.

 

[scubasteve25]

Mark's idea is a good one...a solid way to give someone a good experience to give them the feel.

I have this theory though.....I think that giving away a kit to someone can be a bit counter productive. I know this is against the PIF spirit, but hear me out here.

I've tried to convert a couple people that have expressed interest w/o success. I gave both a full PV setup with juices and the whole bit to get them started. Both didn't take to it. My theory is that just like quitting smoking, people have to want to do this. And, they need to be motivated to do it as well. Being financially invested in it helps with that motivation in a big way IMO. If you just get something that's free, you have the thought that "If it doesn't work, then oh well, I'm not out anything". But if you actually spend the money needed to get started, the motivation to really give it a try is much stronger. And for that reason works much better IMO.

I know when I first gave this a try, I spent the money I would've used for buying cigarettes on a Riva setup and some juice. I was motivated to quit anyways (which is why we initially gave these a try anyways, right?), but being financially invested in it, made a big difference as well. Sure some people can't afford the initial costs and for those people, it makes sense to give them some help if needed; I'm all for it. But I've kinda come to the realization that just giving away a PV to someone can maybe be a bad thing to do.

i agree here, when i first decided to venture into this i had half a pack left and it was on a sunday, i figured out the money i would spend on smokes that week, and i used that money to buy my first PV a blu being invested in it helped me alot in the transition, i had already blown my cigarette "allowance" on this thing so i decided to stick with it, i have since passed the blu on to another person here on ecf and have moved on. the "i didnt pay for it so im not out anything" mentality is sound. and a lot of people think that way.

 

[Jules22871]

Mark's idea is a good one...a solid way to give someone a good experience to give them the feel.

I have this theory though.....I think that giving away a kit to someone can be a bit counter productive. I know this is against the PIF spirit, but hear me out here.

I've tried to convert a couple people that have expressed interest w/o success. I gave both a full PV setup with juices and the whole bit to get them started. Both didn't take to it. My theory is that just like quitting smoking, people have to want to do this. And, they need to be motivated to do it as well. Being financially invested in it helps with that motivation in a big way IMO. If you just get something that's free, you have the thought that "If it doesn't work, then oh well, I'm not out anything". But if you actually spend the money needed to get started, the motivation to really give it a try is much stronger. And for that reason works much better IMO.

I know when I first gave this a try, I spent the money I would've used for buying cigarettes on a Riva setup and some juice. I was motivated to quit anyways (which is why we initially gave these a try anyways, right?), but being financially invested in it, made a big difference as well. Sure some people can't afford the initial costs and for those people, it makes sense to give them some help if needed; I'm all for it. But I've kinda come to the realization that just giving away a PV to someone can maybe be a bad thing to do.

I definitely agree with you. I have given two full kits to family members, a 5v box mod to one, a 510 with a PCC to another and a crap load of juice. Neither one uses them and they won't give them back so that I can PIF them here to people I know would use them.

My advice would be to get a couple of the disposable ones and use them as a loaner. You can actually get a fairly long time of use from them. Let them "borrow" it for a couple of days and if they like it, show them ECF and the suppliers section and point them in the right direction.

 

[zbasspro]

I agree, and I think this is a good opportunity to discuss how we handle these situations going forward. Would it be possible for a group of us to purchase say 10 disposable kits, and when someone wants to try vaping give them one and maybe 5 different 5ML juice bottles to try? If it works and they make it a week or two they have more than enough from what they would have spent on cigs to upgrade. Some people use the "disposables" for months. I heard one member recently state they have been using one since January!

Maybe like a somewhat standard procedure for when members want to try to convert someone. To me it makes sense o do it that way. It gives them motivation to wanna quit so they can upgrade, where as if they are handed everything up front IMO they are less likely to succeed. boB

 

[Tuck]

I got my 510 starter kit and a couple of juices for about the price of a carton of analogs.

 

[keyzygirl]

I also gave a full kit w/pass thru to a family member and they dont use it and wont return it,just in case.I think if they make the choice themselves,they will spend the smokes money on a kit.

 

[Vchick]

I "loaned" my 4081 along with a prefilled carto and some re-stuffed carts to a friend who really wanted to try it. I met them for dinner and went over the whole thing, by the end of dinner, they were really into it and you could see the gears turning.

Within 2 weeks they were asking about what kit to buy, etc. He really didn't want to go on-line or to the mall, so I told them I'd ordered a few inexpensive 510 kits and would sell them one and asked them to bring back the other one when we met up. When he showed up, he had the other one in hand and I told them that I wanted them to pif to someone else and show them how to use it the way I did. He said it was going to his daughter....

That's a true pif and maybe just an idea for anyone who's looking at "setting someone up"

Just my Vicki

 

[Nightseer]

Hmmm

The response suprises me, but I can still do it my way as I can. My 4081 was a gift-out of the blue-from a friend. If I had not used it he asked me to pass it on, as I will ask my friends/co-workers to do. If that gift had not been given to me, I would still be smoking-lol-so this is my way of paying that particular friend back. If I only actually convert one person this way-it's one person whose life I believe I have saved.

To me, that's worth it

Renee

 

[markfm]

Nothing wrong with what you're trying to do, Renee, it's a good deed, something everyone here strives for. You'll see around here that we'll pitch in and create full sets of gear if a person identifies a need, someone who they believe really wants to give it a go but can't scrape the initial gear together. Different things work with different people, though in all cases it comes down to a willingness on the new vaper's part to give it a fair shot, a degree of buy-in.

 

[Bahnzo]

I got my 510 starter kit and a couple of juices for about the price of a carton of analogs.

Hmmm

The response suprises me, but I can still do it my way as I can. My 4081 was a gift-out of the blue-from a friend. If I had not used it he asked me to pass it on, as I will ask my friends/co-workers to do. If that gift had not been given to me, I would still be smoking-lol-so this is my way of paying that particular friend back. If I only actually convert one person this way-it's one person whose life I believe I have saved.

To me, that's worth it

Renee

I don't mean to discourage you or anyone that wants to give away PV's to help people with quitting. It was just something that I've had in my head for a few days now. And like Tuck shows, the price of getting started with a reasonable product is coming down. If you can afford to smoke, chances are you can afford to set yourself up with a starter set.

I guess I'm just kinda discouraged by trying to PIF to some people I know personally who expressed interest, only to be out the equipment that I could've put to better use elsewhere.

 

[Nightseer]

I don't mean to discourage you or anyone that wants to give away PV's to help people with quitting. It was just something that I've had in my head for a few days now. And like Tuck shows, the price of getting started with a reasonable product is coming down. If you can afford to smoke, chances are you can afford to set yourself up with a starter set.

I guess I'm just kinda discouraged by trying to PIF to some people I know personally who expressed interest, only to be out the equipment that I could've put to better use elsewhere.

I could see that. ATM though I'm staring at my batt charging-lol-my best friend is using my second batt/atty and a few carts, so I gotta wait till mine is charged again But totally worth it-every cig kari doesn't smoke is another 13 minutes she'll tell me stupid jokes Anyway, As a first possible convert it seems to be working. Disposable 510's may be the way I end up going though........

 

[zbasspro]

Well it was just people sharing their experience with you. That much we can't change as much as we'd like to. We had a friend interested a month ago and people sent some things. Haven't heard much back from them. Know they aren't using it though, would like to have it back so it could be given to someone who needs it. Thing is, it was a gift free of charge, that's why I like the loaner or disposable kit idea better.

Maybe everyone you attempt to convert will be successful, but our experience shows that if you have to spend your cig budget to get a kit the odds go up. BTW it looks like texastumbleweed wants to give you a kit in the other thread. I wish your 1st convert attempt better success than mine. TC, boB

 

[loxmythe]

I started buying disposable kits and charging $10.00 for them which is my cost. I throw in a 5ml bottle of juice too. A pack of cigarettes costs over $6.00 so I figure $10.00 won't break them. I tell them if they upgrade or don't want to use it anymore I will buy back the kit for $10.00. I have a "disposable" I'm still using since January (it was me Bob). Almost all of them come back and upgrade.
I gave away 510 kits to my friends in the beginning and a lot never got used. I tell them it's not magic if you want to quit it's still up to you. This is only a tool to help. just MHO

 

[Ru42]

I am struggling with this as well.

My Bro and SIL have smoked, geesh, 30 years or so. I want to get them onto vapor when I see them at Thanksgiving. I just don't know if they will take to it or not. They have to want to vape for it to stick. I don't want to buy them 2 kits and then they not use them.

 

[btngchck]

I totally understand where you're coming from wanting to give everybody one so they can quit. I was extremely geeked when I started vaping because I honestly did not start vaping to quit smoking. I couldn't believe how easy it was for me to quit after a 1 1/2 to 2 pack a day, 36 year old habit. Hell, I wanted everybody to have one and if I could have afforded it I would have bought them and handed them out.

But, after talking with a few of these people at "smoke break" at work, they went and bought the kits themselves! What I helped out with was the juice. I shared my favorites along with a business card of the vendor. Sharing my juice was a lot less expensive for me and showed them how to save even more money. I still go down for the "smoke break" and there are those that are interested but haven't taken the leap yet. They will in time, but it has to be their time not mine! That was a tough one to learn.

What I learned is if the drive is really there and they want to really quit they will find a way with my help. And, if they start like me as a cool little gadget and end up quitting.....BONUS

 

[Nightseer]

Well it was just people sharing their experience with you. That much we can't change as much as we'd like to. We had a friend interested a month ago and people sent some things. Haven't heard much back from them. Know they aren't using it though, would like to have it back so it could be given to someone who needs it. Thing is, it was a gift free of charge, that's why I like the loaner or disposable kit idea better.

Maybe everyone you attempt to convert will be successful, but our experience shows that if you have to spend your cig budget to get a kit the odds go up. BTW it looks like texastumbleweed wants to give you a kit in the other thread. I wish your 1st convert attempt better success than mine. TC, boB

Oh-I agree with you. I have one actual convert (she's been using my spare batt/atty for a few days) but after reading other people's experiences I'm getting a bit more cautious. I cewrtainly don't expect everyone I try to convert to actually 100% convert-lol-which is why I said maybe the disposables are the way to go. The dissapointment was in human nature-not the people in this thread...your experience is probable going to unfortunantly be typical.............I'm just one of those people who gets crazy-enthusiastic about ideas, which is why I wanted opinions. I know my own nature well-just cause it's not what I want doesn't mean you're not right..



yeah, texastumbleweed is donating it and I can have two batteries again-lol-one is making me cringe