What if banned

[trog100]

That means numbers like 100mg per patch. Even after removal, most patches still contain at least 95% of the total amount of drug initially in the patch - yet it is safe because it was tested, or because it is supplied by a pharmaceutical company?

now that i do find interesting.. i assumed poor absorption thru the skin but it never occurred to me that so much nicotine was in the product even to achieve the small dose the user gets.. interesting..

so if your toddler (or dog) eats a couple of your discarded patches its dead.. or am i missing something here.. ??

trog

 

[rustylug]

If you change the name of this devise ...surely Pillbox would have to change the name of his company ...The PVD Company uk ltd ...lol

Personal Vapor device sounds awesome! Makes you think of room vaporizers and they aren't banned! Thats about what these are when there isn't any nic. right?

 

[cyberdude]

now that i do find interesting.. i assumed poor absorption thru the skin but it never occurred to me that so much nicotine was in the product even to achieve the small dose the user gets.. interesting..

so if your toddler (or dog) eats a couple of your discarded patches its dead.. or am i missing something here.. ??

trog

That makes sense to me because when I used 15mg Nicorette Red Packet woven fabric plaster patches, they really stank strongly of nictotine after I removed them from my arm or chest. I guess the more surface area i.e. the bigger the patch, the more skin it covers therefore more gets absorbed by the body through the skin.

Patches made me feel strangly sick after 10 minutes of wearing them, that with the shock of not physically smoking anything through my mouth prevented this method from lasting more than 3 months, and I was very stressed out during that time too. Gum tasted disgusting and took a few minutes to work, it also had to be pressed against your gums, and would make the mouth go numb which didn't inspire me with confidence that it was safe to ingest it. The inhaler was just a joke, absolutly no point as it made my throat sore making me cough and gave me short highs that didn't prevent the craving after 1 week. I had to use them to cut down but stopped them as it was not a great method either, it took a lot of sucking power to breathe out of it.

E-Cigarattes however make me feel like I am still smoking, and able to where they have banned it from 1st July 2007 in England, the UK. 4 days down the line I came completely off real fags and have no desire to retutn. My wife also has quit normal cigs for 4 days also with me. I have a dodgy atomizer that needs returning, but I'm sure it's no problem, and my wife has 2 e-cigs working and I currently have 3.

I think if the government ban e-smoking then it will just go underground on the black market. While the demand is there in the market, it will make little difference to the basic rules of supply and demand. This can be compared to the supply and demand of smoking drugs, we know that millions in the UK smoke ganja and can get it easily from people they know in their area. It went underground and people grow it from home to escape the buy and sell game.

Perhaps people will share recepies on how to make e-liquid from scratch using the raw ingredients. I know I would continue to e-smoke provided I knew it wasn't doing my health in, and would have a go at making e-liquid if it was illegal to buy and sell. I wouldn't sell it but just make a personal stash I could share with the missus for ultimate safety in not trading with an illegal substance if it happens.

I understand the process of making it can be dangerous, especially spillages onto the skin and fumes etc, so I would have to weigh up the advantages of this. I'm sure whatever bridge we have to cross to be able to e-smoke, these bridges will be crossed by many people in on way or another. Only intelligence have the technology to find out what goes on behind closed doors But there is always PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) - an application to encrypt messages via email to military grade encryption, to escape the system of e-surveilance!

 

[trog100]

e cigs do it for me as well.. nothing else does.. it will take some pretty hefty fire power to make me stop doing it..

trog

 

[cyberdude]

e cigs do it for me as well.. nothing else does.. it will take some pretty hefty fire power to make me stop doing it..

trog

Me too, I would REALLY stock up on supplies if I thought it was going to be outlawed. The internet will help if so, it always was good at removing boundries and laws as what is applicable in one counry is not in another, people just set up business elsewhere and operate from the new location. This is what torrent sites do all of the time. Look at Demonoid.Com or ThePirateBay.Org history for an example.

I wrote a lords prayer dedicated to e-smoking for the forum:

Our Ciggies which art in cases,
Hallowed be thy smoke,
I will be done,
Thy will be done,
At home as it smokes down the pub,
Give us this day our cherry liquid,
And forgive us all our spillages,
As we forgive those who spill against us,
Deliver us from incarceration,
For thine is the mini, the super and the vapur,
For ever and ever,
Barmen.


There certainly is smoke without fire!

 

[pillbox38]

Leaford>>>Re Homeopathy i spent 3 years at university studying and passing a degree in homeopathic medicine. The power of a homeopathic remedy if prescribed well, and the clients case is taken correctly is well proven.

It might be the placebo affect, but i doubt it in all cases, quantum physics has proven that matter exists below the atomic level.

In homeopathy the theory is directly the opposite of allopathic medicine which just introduces massive amounts of new chemistry into the system. Masking the real cause of the disease and attempting to treat the symptoms only. No symptom in any chronic illness is the totality of the condition.. Try telling regular physicians this. we as humans are made up of our mental, emotional and physical bodies. Each over the course of a persons life gets out of balance and from this unbalance illness occurs.

The art of homeopathic prescribing is in a thorough understanding of points in a persons life(which are elicited during the case taking, if done well), that tip the patient onto the path of a chronic illness. Regular medicine in most cases is a mask.

There is also power in the homeopathic interview those i have taken with patients can last upwards of 2 hours, it can be cathartic in its own right having a safe space and a trusting ear to help unwind the ills of years.. healing then starts, and the remedies can start re-balancing the person.

I would not be so quick to offer glib judgements, i am no fake and i do not jump on any old bandwagon, my sceptisism was the bain of my clasmates. I finished my studies not quite a convert but not a dis-beliver, i have seen good recoverys using homeopathy alone..

 

[ApOsTle51]

EEEeeekkkk...does this mean that totally wicked really only has 3 molecules of nicotine in the whole bottle.....

works for me

 

[cyberdude]

Hello Pillbox38, will be getting some of your coconut liquid this weekend from your website, look forward to dealing with you again. Great work on the website by the way, really professional look and good useability.

Have your address so will post the atomizer this week. Thanks mate, great products and we are really enjoying them. You are the quickest ebay trader I know of, and we had a great experience changing our smoking habits. We all live longer thanks to people like you.

All the best for your retirement fund J

www.CyberDude.Co.uk

 

[ApOsTle51]

Great work on the website by the way, really professional look and good useability.

Do you know something the rest of us don't cyberdude. The website isnt live yet ???

oh , save a coconut for me....

 

[cyberdude]

Do you know something the rest of us don't cyberdude. The website isnt live yet ???

oh , save a coconut for me....

Hi ApOsTle51, I was mentioning his The Electronic Cigarette Company (UK) Ltd. which is good to use by J, and the soon to be released Totally Wiked E Liquid I'm sure will be just as good. I have to buy his coconut on ebay I think, as I can't find it on the website. If it isn't on there I will request it via email. It's a good day for clean smokin...

www.CyberDude.Co.Uk

 

[ApOsTle51]

ahh ofcourse, Jason's got so many webshops i get lost, it's like a virtual shopping centre. Glad my missus doesnt e-smoke, I could be browsing for a very long time

 

[cyberdude]

ahh ofcourse, Jason's got so many webshops i get lost, it's like a virtual shopping centre. Glad my missus doesnt e-smoke, I could be browsing for a very long time

Yep! Good for him, hope he makes a mint. I got my wife a mini pink kit with 50 carts, the e-cig model is a DSE901 using my cherry and vanilla all from J. Smokes well, and as I got an extra pink atomizer and the kit came with a 2nd battery, she has one on high nicotine tobacco flavour when she feels like the taste of it. It has helped her quit, and me too, although I crave a real ... only when drunk, I have not been tempted to go back to a life of dangerous smoking.

What do you do for a living? I'm a computer scientist working in England UK for a London Bank.

Kind regards,
www.CyberDude.Co.Uk

 

[ApOsTle51]

hmmm, i, afraid me to say what i do for a living here would have dire results for my future employment..., so please don't take offence if i fail to say

good on ya for dropping the smokes btw.

 

[cyberdude]

hmmm, i, afraid me to say what i do for a living here would have dire results for my future employment..., so please don't take offence if i fail to say

good on ya for dropping the smokes btw.

Hi ya ApOsTle51, I was expecting a job title in a certain sector not an exact company name, but it's ok to remain anonymous. Our UK goverment lets us express ourself but will legislate if parliment think it needs to be changed. They use a voting system on various political subjects and pass to the house of lords to make it common UK law as I'm sure you know, but they cannot just change the law straight away without several bills being discusses, voted for, passed and approved before it becomes illegal. I'm sure it won't get to that stage. I think the government will be pleasantly suprised with the e-cig alternative.

Every pack of baccy or smokes over here carries a UK Government Health Warning and in the US it's the General Surgeon I believe. If it's as bad as most of the messages the goverment put on our tobacco products, they should not allow tobacco to be smoked in the first place but there are many hooked smokers out there, many of them wishing to quit and can't, and until now the problem has never been easy.

With e-cig I think it's the first easy solution to being a non smoker.

Yeah, thanks, I'm chuffed I didn't need a real smoke anyway, I see it as far more dangerous than I used to now.

www.Cyberdude.co.uk
CyberDude@CyberDude.Co.Uk

 

[ApOsTle51]

I know what you mean, it's certainly not going to be an overnight process which ever way the cookie crumbles.
But myself and most others here im sure are in it for the long haul.

As for the analogue cigs. 40 years ago the general population was almost told to smoke by our government. It was cool , hip and heavily taxed and no-one was dropping dead from smoking ...where they ????

the government now are paying the price of massive errors made about the safety of cigarettes. They can't just out right ban the sale of cigarettes to the same people who they told it was safe smoke these things. Of course there is always the revenue from tobacco sales.
They can however try to persuade people to stop with these warnings and images, then if no-one smokes the government just has to say "we didnt tell anyone to stop."

I was expecting a job title in a certain sector not an exact company name, but it's ok to remain anonymous

hehe thats ok , i couldn't even say that much

 

[cyberdude]

I know what you mean, it's certainly not going to be an overnight process which ever way the cookie crumbles.
But myself and most others here im sure are in it for the long haul.

As for the analogue cigs. 40 years ago the general population was almost told to smoke by our government. It was cool , hip and heavily taxed and no-one was dropping dead from smoking ...where they ????

the government now are paying the price of massive errors made about the safety of cigarettes. They can't just out right ban the sale of cigarettes to the same people who they told it was safe smoke these things. Of course there is always the revenue from tobacco sales.
They can however try to persuade people to stop with these warnings and images, then if no-one smokes the government just has to say "we didnt tell anyone to stop."

hehe thats ok , i couldn't even say that much

Hiya, yes the tradition of smoking 50 years ago was their downfall in spirraling NHS bills and death not necessary but they did not get the ill effects tested and proven to be bad for you at the time. If a toxology report came out about tobacco, it could have been banned in time to save us. I smoked my first cigarette in USA and it was a Red Malborough. It was strong and made me cough first time, then it made me dizzy. Smoking an e-cig did that to me for the first few days and now it seems to have calmed down again. Just my body adjusting to a very different kick, but one that hits the spot for me.

I think the battle for the healthiest cigarette is:
analogue old school vs digital new kid on the block
How many deaths will decide the fate of this comparison before a conclusion is reached that e-cig is a safer alternative?! I read on Wi-Encyclopedia that nicotine raises the heart and blood pressure so I'm certain it's not good to over indulge in by either method? I'm not sure if we can get away with good health while smoking e-cigs all of our lives, it's just too early to tell at the moment.



www.CyberDude.Co.Uk

mailto:Cyberdude@Cyberdude.Co.Uk

 

[Kate]

What you said is absolutely true Apostle - "As for the analogue cigs. 40 years ago the general population was almost told to smoke by our government. It was cool , hip and heavily taxed and no-one was dropping dead from smoking ...where they ????"

Hopefully we won't be saying the same thing about esmoking and how we were told it was safe in a few years. No amount of wishful thinking proves it's safe unfortunately. Manufacturers and vendors in many cases make unsubstantiated claims about health. So far no official public authorities have backed these assertions.

One of the things that alarms me the most is that people often think that because something is ok to eat it must be ok to inhale ... I don't think so!

There is so much propaganda and downright misinformation surrounding esmoking products I'm not surprised WHO have publicly disowned us.

If we are going to avoid bans we will have to hope for realistic regulation and independent, long term tests and trials.

When we have proof that esmoking is a healthier option I think the anti-smokers will be all over this as a way to reduce tobacco use. I just hope that in the meantime nicotine doesn't become a controlled substance, I don't fancy the prospect of buying on the black market.

 

[trog100]

they probably were dropping dead from it kate.. they were also dropping dead from pneumatolysis (black lung) asbestosis and few other things i cant think of at the moment..

perhaps its just a question of priorities.. people will always drop dead from something..

unless we all want to turn into a bunch of geriatric alzheimer sufferers in our nineties.. the term is or will be "coffin dodgers" and if anybody is still working then they certainly wont like paying to keep them in bed and board..

folks never think these things thru do they.. ??

trog

 

[Kit]

hmmm, i, afraid me to say what i do for a living here would have dire results for my future employment..., so please don't take offence if i fail to say

good on ya for dropping the smokes btw.

i wanna know what you do now apostle you shouldn't have siad that hehe..know one on here really knows who you are...what are ya...SAS....M.P...JEDI ?

 

[ApOsTle51]

i wanna know what you do now apostle you shouldn't have siad that hehe..know one on here really knows who you are...what are ya...SAS....M.P...JEDI ?

lol , nothing sinister or that exciting KIT.

It's also true what Troggo says . Cigarettes seem to fall into a group of things that the government deemed safe only 30 years later to find out they are deadly.

Cigarettes, Asbestos, Mercury, lead etc...

let's hope it isnt the same with the e-cig