What if banned

Status
Not open for further replies.

ted26

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Aug 6, 2008
574
0
54
uk england
Tv interview is on BBC Breakfast... Next week, but i have a tendency to get a little carried away, its the salesman in me...He is difficult to keep in check, i suspect some on here will be cringing as i go on about what a fabulous product this is as an aid to a healthier lifestyle...Did i naughtily mention NRT in an attempt to get the regulators to offer a compliance soloution...mmmm i might have:)

But hell i would rather get hung for being a WOLF than a sheep.

Keep up the good work pb, i know its hard to please everyone on here as we all have different views on what this device actually does but fight with your heart and you could come up spitting dollars :D

I personally know its healthier as my body tells me when i am poorly and this device offers no side effects apart from a huge hole in my wallet so also feel free to drop your prices :p

love the wolf **** :D
 

Kate

Moved On
Jun 26, 2008
7,191
47
UK
I'll try to catch that Pillbox, even if you do make dodgy claims about our habit ;)

Looking back at your previous post, you don't actually have medical proof that esmoking is better than smoking, if you are going to make medical claims like 'healthier' then you will need clinical evidence.

We have no way of knowing the long term consequences of breathing propylene glycol, glycerine and all the other things in our vapour, it's not something that has been studied. You may have a chemical analysis but to say that it proves vapour is healthier than smoke is to ignore the limitations of a non-clinical test.

'Safer' might be a better word than 'healthier', I don't know for sure. Healthier is a medical term, safer might not be seen as such.

EDIT
Blimey, this thread is moving quickly.
Yes Rusty, I think you can say 'anecdotal' and that will be ok. You just can't imply that it proves anything.
 
Last edited:

ismoke

Unregistered Supplier
Jun 19, 2008
16
1
UK
www.ismoke.tv
There is a great deal of mistrust of nicotine, with a great many people convinced how dangerous it is and it must be banned at any cost and yet the Royal College of Physicians recently recommended that the age at which NRT can be given be dropped to just 12 years of age and that has since been adopted, so it cannot be all that dangerous can it?

Some would classify nicotine is a 'poison' and that it toxic if taken in sufficient quantities. This is true. However, the same accusation could be levelled against many of the substances that occur naturally in what we eat and drink every day. It is a basic law of toxicology that it is dosage that determines whether or not something is 'poisonous' and I believe people are confusing nicotine with all the real poisons and carcinogens in tobacco cigarettes.

The problem is of course that the anti-smoking brigade are so vehemently opposed to smoking, they object on principle to anything that even remotely resembles a cigarette without realising that their “quit or die” messages are simply not getting through.
 

pillbox38

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Hi Ted, maybe i could offer discounts on the wicked for forum members.. But anyway i got sent as i mentioned a few weeks ago a new mint wicked and a new mint and black tea combination.

ive tried the mint and black tea, not bad but im not a menthol smoker.

I can send these off to you and you can give them a whirl.

Let me know how they are as i know you smoke the menthol.

If you want to be a gunea pig send me by mail a mailing address.

two free 20mls there for you, but if you hate them send back so someoneelse can have a dabble.

Im selling these products for two reasons..in no particular order. 1. Its a great product and 2 if i get it right well my retirement is taken care of. Working 18 hours a day for 2 years i can live with that

I suggest anyone who has found benefits from e smoking....Mails the bbc as soon as they run the piece...

Strength in numbers...
 

trog100

Moved On
ECF Veteran
May 23, 2008
3,240
13
UK
u cant claim it is safer.. u can claim its commonly accepted to be safer.. until proven otherwise this is about as far as they can go..

rusty thru ignorance caused his own problem.. as yet they cant ban it but they can make sure a product sold as an HRT product fits the bill.. so far e cigs dont..

we are safe for a while.. best of luck on TV.. he he

trog
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
I read somthing in a national paper 3 weeks or so ago saying that people who are trying to stop smoking should be offerd higher nicotine replacment products ....Now did they say this because they know that most gums, patches and inhalers dont work for most .... I only say that last bit because in the last 6 weeks i have never met and had so much feed back from people who have tried to give up before ...And are still smoking .... The paper responsable was The SUNDAY PEOPLE ... But i must say it wasnt their view, it was some body or party who said this... I will have to see if i still have it when i get back home.
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
Trog ...I fully accept i have caused my own problem ....But surley my own ignorance will go some way to helping make sure are e-cigs are realy safer for us all.


u cant claim it is safer.. u can claim its commonly accepted to be safer.. until proven otherwise this is about as far as they can go..

rusty thru ignorance caused his own problem.. as yet they cant ban it but they can make sure a product sold as an HRT product fits the bill.. so far e cigs dont..

we are safe for a while.. best of luck on TV.. he he

trog
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
Pillbox .... Why not ask some fourm members if you can print of some their testimonials for you take with you to the BBC as antdotial evidence.

Hi Ted, maybe i could offer discounts on the wicked for forum members.. But anyway i got sent as i mentioned a few weeks ago a new mint wicked and a new mint and black tea combination.

ive tried the mint and black tea, not bad but im not a menthol smoker.

I can send these off to you and you can give them a whirl.

Let me know how they are as i know you smoke the menthol.

If you want to be a gunea pig send me by mail a mailing address.

two free 20mls there for you, but if you hate them send back so someoneelse can have a dabble.

Im selling these products for two reasons..in no particular order. 1. Its a great product and 2 if i get it right well my retirement is taken care of. Working 18 hours a day for 2 years i can live with that

I suggest anyone who has found benefits from e smoking....Mails the bbc as soon as they run the piece...

Strength in numbers...
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
Pillbox ...... An even better idea ..... Invite Kate and me on the show with you as antidotal eveidence and put us up in a 5 star hotel which BANS SMOKING lol ..... Can you imagine the look on peoples face when you introduce 2 real humans by the name of Kate & Keith as antidota eveidence on TV Ha ha ha .....All expenses paid for of course lol.
 
Last edited:

Kate

Moved On
Jun 26, 2008
7,191
47
UK
There is a great deal of mistrust of nicotine, with a great many people convinced how dangerous it is and it must be banned at any cost and yet the Royal College of Physicians recently recommended that the age at which NRT can be given be dropped to just 12 years of age and that has since been adopted, so it cannot be all that dangerous can it?

Some would classify nicotine is a 'poison' and that it toxic if taken in sufficient quantities. This is true. However, the same accusation could be levelled against many of the substances that occur naturally in what we eat and drink every day. It is a basic law of toxicology that it is dosage that determines whether or not something is 'poisonous' and I believe people are confusing nicotine with all the real poisons and carcinogens in tobacco cigarettes.

The problem is of course that the anti-smoking brigade are so vehemently opposed to smoking, they object on principle to anything that even remotely resembles a cigarette without realising that their “quit or die” messages are simply not getting through.

Ismoke, I just noticed that you're registering as a supplier on the forum and felt that I should respond to your post above. If you are selling, storing and handling nicotine I think you should be more aware of the dangers.

Nicotine is very poisonous, 60mg can kill an adult, that's 2/3ml of high nic juice or 3 classic size cartridges. Less can kill a child or pet, all they have to do is swallow the core from a cartridge or two and they would be dead. It amazes me that authorities in many countries still allow unregulated nicotine to be sold on the open market, this is a very hazardous substance. It doesn't have to be swallowed either, it can be absorbed through skin. Inhaling nicotine is not harmless either, it is a vasoconstrictor and can cause heart and circulatory problems.

Medical nicotine has been put through years of clinical trials and tests. Dosage and purity is strictly controlled, handling and labelling are regulated too. There is no comparison with esmoking supplies, we are living in limbo at the moment, it will not last forever, safety measures will be enforced. I suggest that you learn to respect this hazardous chemical and not present it to the public as something benign.

Our problem at the moment doesn't appear to me to be the anti-smoking brigade so much as ignorance within our own community.

Rusty, I wouldn't be any good on telly, I get terrible stage fright. :cry:
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
KATE ...... Stage fright my .... lol lol ..... You told me about 2 weeks ago that the only way you became a super member was because you had a BIG MOUTH lol ....Now your saying your SHY .... NO WAY ... I DONT BELEIVE YOU AND I TELLING T/STANDERS ON YOU FOR FALSE MISREPROSENTATION ..... Damm that was a big word.lol lol
 

CaSHMeRe

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 12, 2008
7,938
214
USA
this one goes out to rusty ... my dear old friend ...

bf2169cb.jpg
 

trog100

Moved On
ECF Veteran
May 23, 2008
3,240
13
UK
Trog ...I fully accept i have caused my own problem ....But surley my own ignorance will go some way to helping make sure are e-cigs are realy safer for us all.

it will rusty.. i aint knocking u simply stating a fact..

the real reason patches and official NRT remedies dont work is cos the medical profession wont be seen to condone another addictive product.. they are frightened "stoppers" will become "swappers"..

because of their cowardice joe public gets a products that fails right from the word go..

the chinese have simply done what should have been done years ago.. offered a safer alternative..

we need to try and make sure a whole army of potential rusties dont make the the same mistake.. many will.. mis-selling the product as an NRT product when it officially isnt and never will be (too addictive) is a good way for them to ban it..

dont get me wrong.. i knows its a f-cking NRT product and the best there is.. but they will never sanction it as such.. not unless its weakened down to the point of being useless.. they will never officially sanction a highly addictive product.. period..

trog
 

ApOsTle51

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Aug 29, 2008
2,141
65
UK
it will certainly be the eliquid thats the problem.

Packets of paracetamol sold in supermarkets can now contain only 16 tablets, those from chemists a maximum of 32. Any purchase of 100 or more tablets requires a prescription. this is to stop fatal overdose.

And we wanna purchase 20ml of juice at a time , maybe more. If its high nic stuff thats almost 10 fatal doses from 20ml bottle.
 

rustylug

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Aug 24, 2008
632
5
55
Aberdeen, Scotland
www.bebo.com
Trogg .... I never thought of it in that way and you might be right ... The govermet bodies might be scaried of introducing another addictive product on to the market ... Even though they know its better than a product we are curently adicted to IE .. Real cigs .... The bottom line is e-cigs could free up hospital wards ....Drs time and help smokers live longer ...saving NHS money .... But .... Will the savings on the NHS be more than what is raised on goverment tax on real cigs !!!!!!!



it will rusty.. i aint knocking u simply stating a fact..

the real reason patches and official NRT remedies dont work is cos the medical profession wont be seen to condone another addictive product.. they are frightened "stoppers" will become "swappers"..

because of their cowardice joe public gets a products that fails right from the word go..

the chinese have simply done what should have been done years ago.. offered a safer alternative..

we need to try and make sure a whole army of potential rusties dont make the the same mistake.. many will.. mis-selling the product as an NRT product when it officially isnt and never will be (too addictive) is a good way for them to ban it..

dont get me wrong.. i knows its a f-cking NRT product and the best there is.. but they will never sanction it as such.. not unless its weakened down to the point of being useless.. they will never officially sanction a highly addictive product.. period..

trog
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread