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What If? Video from the ECA
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Nice video, but where can it find air time? It's not a PSA (public service announcement). It's not "news". It's not a commercial to air on late-night cable.
I guess it's a wannabe viral YouTube?
But nicely done, without the usual outrageous claims.
I guess it's a wannabe viral YouTube?
But nicely done, without the usual outrageous claims.
Bob,
I think one thing we've realized is that we need to plain and simply get the word out further. The more awareness we raise, I think common sense will lead to bolstered support among the general population.
The fact of the matter still remains that a majority of smokers don't know a thing about electronic cigarettes. Without means to get the message outside of our community and into other communities, we'll just be stagnant.
To succeed in the court of law, we need to succeed in the court of public opinion.
I too, hope for future videos that are equally as intriguing but filled with more substance, but I think this video, does a fine job of piquing public interest.
I think one thing we've realized is that we need to plain and simply get the word out further. The more awareness we raise, I think common sense will lead to bolstered support among the general population.
The fact of the matter still remains that a majority of smokers don't know a thing about electronic cigarettes. Without means to get the message outside of our community and into other communities, we'll just be stagnant.
To succeed in the court of law, we need to succeed in the court of public opinion.
I too, hope for future videos that are equally as intriguing but filled with more substance, but I think this video, does a fine job of piquing public interest.
I certainly don't disagree with any of your points. And I've said many times before that I have NEVER met another person using an e-cigarette in almost two years of using them myself. Almost everyone I meet has NO IDEA what the hell it is. The word is not out.
In the week since I have gotten my starter kit, I have told my sister. She has ordered kits for herself and her husband and told everyone at her place of work. Her coworkers--Veterinarians--are very enthusiastic about the idea and have also ordered kits.
I have been feeling guilty about passing the word since learning about the pending government crackdown and possible banning...
I have been feeling guilty about passing the word since learning about the pending government crackdown and possible banning...
The more smokers who convert to eSmoking, the more voices we have IF/When they do. :0)
Great video.
The only suggestion I would make is that when people say "I would try it" or some variance, it would be better to clarify if these people are already analog smokers. Don't want people thinking non-smokers are initially attracted to the idea instead of the real message that analog smokers would like something better. Just a thought.
The only suggestion I would make is that when people say "I would try it" or some variance, it would be better to clarify if these people are already analog smokers. Don't want people thinking non-smokers are initially attracted to the idea instead of the real message that analog smokers would like something better. Just a thought.
I think we should copy the url and put it on our myspace bulletins or on facebook or whatever social webby you go to and help spread the word that way 
Yet another devil's advocate post here. Great video though.
I do not see where we can state the second hand vapors have no effect.
I remember the huge fuss over second hand smoke. It was a major win for non smokers to remove smokers from places. If people did not discover that second hand smoke was dangerous, they would have nothing more than a smell to complain about. That would have been tough to create smoking bans with. I also have seen nothing long term and conclusive concerning second hand vapor.
Again I vape and understand there may be consequences we are unaware of. I also see how logically the previous statement is most likely false. But I also remember smoking was not seen as dangerous, and hope we do not make the same mistakes big tobacco made. I just do not want us to be left with egg on our faces, because we do not wish to accept the fact that nothing except long term use by a broad spectrum of individuals will truly disprove or hopefully prove the level of safety for the vapor and/or the people around them.
I do not see where we can state the second hand vapors have no effect.
I remember the huge fuss over second hand smoke. It was a major win for non smokers to remove smokers from places. If people did not discover that second hand smoke was dangerous, they would have nothing more than a smell to complain about. That would have been tough to create smoking bans with. I also have seen nothing long term and conclusive concerning second hand vapor.
Again I vape and understand there may be consequences we are unaware of. I also see how logically the previous statement is most likely false. But I also remember smoking was not seen as dangerous, and hope we do not make the same mistakes big tobacco made. I just do not want us to be left with egg on our faces, because we do not wish to accept the fact that nothing except long term use by a broad spectrum of individuals will truly disprove or hopefully prove the level of safety for the vapor and/or the people around them.
Well, we have this:
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled
You're not going to see long-term safety studies yet. But they really are not necessary to drawing a logical conclusion.
If the question is just whether or not chemical X is harmful, they do lab studies to see whether animals are harmed. We already have lab studies that show rats are not harmed by inhaling PG, which constitutes the bulk of any vapor that escapes into the atmosphere. We also had some studies that involved children and they were not harmed.
We also know that inhaling nicotine isn't harmful, or the clinical trials of the Nicotrol inhaler would have revealed that problem. And the quantity of nicotine in the vapor is tiny to start out with and miniscule by the time the vapor is exhaled.
Why not try to push the burden of proof off to the accuser? The acid test regarding whether anything in the air is harmful is to determine whether the air with that substance in it meets OSHA standards. Demand to see OSHA reports showing the vapor is harmful.
The Health New Zealand study did look for some of the things that OSHA finds objectionable, such as Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and Carbon Monoxide, and did not find those things present.
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled
You're not going to see long-term safety studies yet. But they really are not necessary to drawing a logical conclusion.
If the question is just whether or not chemical X is harmful, they do lab studies to see whether animals are harmed. We already have lab studies that show rats are not harmed by inhaling PG, which constitutes the bulk of any vapor that escapes into the atmosphere. We also had some studies that involved children and they were not harmed.
We also know that inhaling nicotine isn't harmful, or the clinical trials of the Nicotrol inhaler would have revealed that problem. And the quantity of nicotine in the vapor is tiny to start out with and miniscule by the time the vapor is exhaled.
Why not try to push the burden of proof off to the accuser? The acid test regarding whether anything in the air is harmful is to determine whether the air with that substance in it meets OSHA standards. Demand to see OSHA reports showing the vapor is harmful.
The Health New Zealand study did look for some of the things that OSHA finds objectionable, such as Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and Carbon Monoxide, and did not find those things present.
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I agree, but unfortunately with the FDA's crappy report (which I can no longer even find on the FDA site, but it is the one that prompted the ECA's response study) has put us in the seat of proving it, or accepting the FDA as gospel as others do. But again I agree and it is also the rules. Drug companies are forced to prove their drugs to the FDA, the FDA is not forced to prove a drug bad, we are not in a criminal court.
And logically you can not draw any conclusion without all the facts. The earth appears flat. So logically there must be an edge of the earth. And even though no one ever actually saw the edge of the earth (the major missing fact), people assumed it was fact. Pigs and monkeys are much closer to human physiology than rats. The children in the PG mist study did not have long term exposure (years to decades worth).
But I agree there will most likely not be any direct long term effects. If there is no direct effects, then the second hand issues becomes a nearly mute point. I am just posing the issue of making long term claims without long term experience. I wish someone could sign us all up for a long term study (and not by some group that is gonna jump to conclusion ie the food products you commonly see in the news one week as bad for you and next month good for you)
Hell, even if the consequences were the same as analogs, reduced price, increased lung capacity and great flavors would keep me vaping.
And logically you can not draw any conclusion without all the facts. The earth appears flat. So logically there must be an edge of the earth. And even though no one ever actually saw the edge of the earth (the major missing fact), people assumed it was fact. Pigs and monkeys are much closer to human physiology than rats. The children in the PG mist study did not have long term exposure (years to decades worth).
But I agree there will most likely not be any direct long term effects. If there is no direct effects, then the second hand issues becomes a nearly mute point. I am just posing the issue of making long term claims without long term experience. I wish someone could sign us all up for a long term study (and not by some group that is gonna jump to conclusion ie the food products you commonly see in the news one week as bad for you and next month good for you)
Hell, even if the consequences were the same as analogs, reduced price, increased lung capacity and great flavors would keep me vaping.
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