What I'm missunderstanding about my vaper?

[William94]

Hello. I'm pretty new in this world (trying to quit smoking). I have bought recently a vaporesso Swag PX80. The thing is that if I use the VW mode and I set (p.e.) 45W on a 0.3 resistance, it gives me 3.7 volts. Also, if I set 80W, it also gives me 3.7 volts. The battery is a Sony VTC6 and I checked with a multimeter that it reaches 4.1V. Also, if I use VV mode, the wattage doesn't increases if I change from 3.7V to 4V.

What is happening. Is a security system or something like that? Thanks!

(if I use a 0.2 resistance, it gives me a more lower voltage and I can't increase from 3.2 - 3.3 V)

I have the battery full-charged (It gives 4.1V on a multimeter)

 

[zoiDman]

Hi William94. Welcome to the ECF.

The vaporesso Swag PX80 has something called "Smart VW". Is that turned on by any chance?

"Holding down both adjustment buttons brings up the menu. Here you can select from two modes: wattage mode or variable voltage mode. There’s also the option of toggling “Smart VW” which automatically adjusts the power based on your coil, viewing/resetting your puff counter, and changing the theme color."

Vaporesso Swag PX80 Review: A Truly Swag Pod Mod

 

[William94]

Hi William94. Welcome to the ECF.

The vaporesso Swag PX80 has something called "Smart VW". Is that turned on by any chance?

"Holding down both adjustment buttons brings up the menu. Here you can select from two modes: wattage mode or variable voltage mode. There’s also the option of toggling “Smart VW” which automatically adjusts the power based on your coil, viewing/resetting your puff counter, and changing the theme color."

Vaporesso Swag PX80 Review: A Truly Swag Pod Mod

Nop, it doesn't matter if I turn off or on

 

[Superuser187]

I suspect you are just confused...

On older vape devices we used to adjust the power by adjusting voltage only...
On newer devices came the options to adjust also in wattage but it's the same thing u just use one of the two...
Most people adjust the power on wattage nowdays that's why vape coils write on then the recommended wattages..

So when u vape u just adjust the wattage and that's all you need to do...

 

[Superuser187]

Also yeah it's good to go to settings and disable smart wattage cause Everytime to screw the atomizer it adjust the wattage automatically...
I always disable smart eco mode

 

[Z-Lee]

Hello. I'm pretty new in this world (trying to quit smoking). I have bought recently a Vaporesso Swag PX80. The thing is that if I use the VW mode and I set (p.e.) 45W on a 0.3 resistance, it gives me 3.7 volts. Also, if I set 80W, it also gives me 3.7 volts. The battery is a Sony VTC6 and I checked with a multimeter that it reaches 4.1V. Also, if I use VV mode, the wattage doesn't increases if I change from 3.7V to 4V.

What is happening. Is a security system or something like that? Thanks!

(if I use a 0.2 resistance, it gives me a more lower voltage and I can't increase from 3.2 - 3.3 V)

I have the battery full-charged (It gives 4.1V on a multimeter)

Pretty much every newer mod (including the PX80) is regulated through the chip depending on its modes. The only mods that aren't regulated are mechanical mods, which take the current directly from the battery. From my understanding, Variable Wattage is going to keep your volts at 3.7, and use your wattage to increase/decrease the power. Variable Voltage is going to hold your wattage and increase/decrease the volts to achieve desired power. Some mods use a different system which will raise the voltage with the wattage, but all of it is regulated in some way for consistency.

Volts / Ohms = Amps
Amps x Volts = Wattage

Your mod is using Amperage to make its power adjustments I presume.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Sounds to me like the Swag PX80 doesn't have boost. Therefore, the only way to achieve it's max of 80W is to use a lower resistance coil than 0.3 (like 0.2 to 0.1 ohms). Without boost, the mod cannot output more than the batteries coltage at any given point in time so the highest voltage you can achieve is 4.2v (but you will likely never get more than 3.8v or so).

If that's not the case, and the PX80 does have boost, then I would say you have a defective mod.

EDITED TO ADD: Seeing that Vaporesso doesn't list an output voltage range for the PX80 on their own website, I'm leaning toward this mod not having boost, which explains why your PX80 is putting out the same voltage on a 0.3 ohm coil regardless of what you set the wattage at. No boost capability. Only way to get higher wattage is to lower the resistance of the coils, much like using a mechanical mod.

 

[William94]

I suspect you are just confused...

On older vape devices we used to adjust the power by adjusting voltage only...
On newer devices came the options to adjust also in wattage but it's the same thing u just use one of the two...
Most people adjust the power on wattage nowdays that's why vape coils write on then the recommended wattages..

So when u vape u just adjust the wattage and that's all you need to do...

But why if I set 3.7 V it gives me 42W and if I set 4 V it also gives me 42W

Sounds to me like the Swag PX80 doesn't have boost. Therefore, the only way to achieve it's max of 80W is to use a lower resistance coil than 0.3 (like 0.2 to 0.1 ohms). Without boost, the mod cannot output more than the batteries coltage at any given point in time so the highest voltage you can achieve is 4.2v (but you will likely never get more than 3.8v or so).

If that's not the case, and the PX80 does have boost, then I would say you have a defective mod.

How can I check if my vape have boost?

 

[William94]

Sounds to me like the Swag PX80 doesn't have boost. Therefore, the only way to achieve it's max of 80W is to use a lower resistance coil than 0.3 (like 0.2 to 0.1 ohms). Without boost, the mod cannot output more than the batteries coltage at any given point in time so the highest voltage you can achieve is 4.2v (but you will likely never get more than 3.8v or so).

If that's not the case, and the PX80 does have boost, then I would say you have a defective mod.

EDITED TO ADD: Seeing that Vaporesso doesn't list an output voltage range for the PX80 on their own website, I'm leaning toward this mod not having boost, which explains why your PX80 is putting out the same voltage on a 0.3 ohm coil regardless of what you set the wattage at. No boost capability. Only way to get higher wattage is to lower the resistance of the coils, much like using a mechanical mod.

Thanks so much!

 

[Superuser187]

But why if I set 3.7 V it gives me 42W and if I set 4 V it also gives me 42W

How can I check if my vape have boost?

When u see 42watts it's because u go to menu and into the wattage section and u just see the wattage...right?????
It's because u had dialed to use 42w on the wattage mode and it keeps the last adjustment on memory of wattage mode....there is no connection between those 2...it's just different way to adjust the power....it's the different units to say to the mod how much power u want...it keeps the last adjustment that u had dialed in voltage or wattage....u just chose what u prefer of those 2 and nowdays all use wattage

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

But why if I set 3.7 V it gives me 42W and if I set 4 V it also gives me 42W

Because (assuming it does not have boost) your PX80 can only delivery the voltage of your battery minus any inefficiency the mod has. So it looks like your mod cannot deliver anything over 3.7-3.8v, even if your battery is charged to 4.1 or 4.2 volts.

How can I check if my vape have boost?

No way to "check", except to see what you are seeing
That "mod" cannot "boost" above battery voltage (minus inefficiency of mod and voltage drop) therefore you know it has no boost capability.

In the future, when you buy your next mod, make sure the mod has specifications listed for voltage output. If there is no voltage output specification, or if the voltage output specification is listed at 4.2v max, you know the mod does not have boost capability.

So in your case, with an 80W mod that appears to only be able to deliver 3.7-3.8v output at the most, you would need to use a 0.17 to 0.18 ohm coil in order to achieve the mod's 80W max output, and you will not achieve that 80W for log because as your battery voltage decreases, so will your power (wattage) output.

 

[zoiDman]

Sounds to me like the Swag PX80 doesn't have boost. Therefore, the only way to achieve it's max of 80W is to use a lower resistance coil than 0.3 (like 0.2 to 0.1 ohms). Without boost, the mod cannot output more than the batteries coltage at any given point in time so the highest voltage you can achieve is 4.2v (but you will likely never get more than 3.8v or so).

If that's not the case, and the PX80 does have boost, then I would say you have a defective mod.

EDITED TO ADD: Seeing that Vaporesso doesn't list an output voltage range for the PX80 on their own website, I'm leaning toward this mod not having boost, which explains why your PX80 is putting out the same voltage on a 0.3 ohm coil regardless of what you set the wattage at. No boost capability. Only way to get higher wattage is to lower the resistance of the coils, much like using a mechanical mod.

I think you Nailed it Uncle.

Digging back into the Memory Banks, I seem to recall this being discussed with @hittman

 

[Superuser187]

Omg hahahha all this time for some reason I was thinking u had the vaporesso swag mod....omg I am sorry all I said was wrong lol omgosh

 

[Superuser187]

And I am also stunned.....the px80 doesn't have boost???? For real?

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

And I am also stunned.....the px80 doesn't have boost???? For real?

I'm not surprised at all. It's a trend that started in 2019 or 2020. Lots of Voopoo mods and pod mods don't have boost. I'm sure there are many others, too. I think we can add the PX80 to this list now.

When you see a mod that is supposed to have adjustable output and the max wattage is advertised at over 50W for a single battery mod or over 100W in a dual battery mod, and the manufacturer does not list an output voltage range or does not list a voltage range at all, assume it has no boost circuitry until verified otherwise.

 

[Superuser187]

I am surprised cause for example vaporesso launched even a pod that had boost to keep performing the same until the battery is empty and they didn't add that to the px80 it's suchhhhh a shaaame ts ts ts ts

 

[Z-Lee]

Sounds to me like the Swag PX80 doesn't have boost. Therefore, the only way to achieve it's max of 80W is to use a lower resistance coil than 0.3 (like 0.2 to 0.1 ohms). Without boost, the mod cannot output more than the batteries coltage at any given point in time so the highest voltage you can achieve is 4.2v (but you will likely never get more than 3.8v or so).

If that's not the case, and the PX80 does have boost, then I would say you have a defective mod.

EDITED TO ADD: Seeing that Vaporesso doesn't list an output voltage range for the PX80 on their own website, I'm leaning toward this mod not having boost, which explains why your PX80 is putting out the same voltage on a 0.3 ohm coil regardless of what you set the wattage at. No boost capability. Only way to get higher wattage is to lower the resistance of the coils, much like using a mechanical mod.

I'm rereading his original question, and I don't think this is what he was asking about? He was wondering why VW locks his voltage to 3.7 while being able to change the wattage, and why VV locks his wattage and allows him to change the voltage. Maybe I greatly misinterpreted what he was asking.

 

[Superuser187]

I am actually a little mad that vaporesso did this and i was thinking to buy this mod cause looks good and thought was the successor of the old swag....but it's different device for me now....I didn't get it cause there is no 510adapter thank God...
I must have that in mind that manufacturers do that stuff now and check before i buy any mod in future

 

[Z-Lee]

(if I use a 0.2 resistance, it gives me a more lower voltage and I can't increase from 3.2 - 3.3 V)

The only thing I can think of here is, the drop in coil is using 2 (or 3 or 4 or x) inner coils which is going to reduce your useable power output. As UncleJunkle mentioned, your mod will then not have the needed power to fire the coil.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I'm rereading his original question, and I don't think this is what he was asking about? He was wondering why VW locks his voltage to 3.7 while being able to change the wattage, and why VV locks his wattage and allows him to change the voltage. Maybe I greatly misinterpreted what he was asking.

Hmmm, you may be right. I'm not sure at this point.