Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. These things are confusing. I feel like I'm chasing the "perfect vape" and getting nowhere. Sure, the stuff I have is useable, but one thing has a weird taste, another leaks, this other runs dry too quick, etc. Really all I'm after is performance and consistency of performance. I'm not that far away from analogues, and I still remember how nice it was to lit up and have the same experience I did last time... every time. Nothing in the vape world will be as easy, I know that now, but I'm hoping I can find something that is as consistent, even if I have to know how to build an atty to get it.
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Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. These things are confusing. I feel like I'm chasing the "perfect vape" and getting nowhere. Sure, the stuff I have is useable, but one thing has a weird taste, another leaks, this other runs dry too quick, etc. Really all I'm after is performance and consistency of performance. I'm not that far away from analogues, and I still remember how nice it was to lit up and have the same experience I did last time... every time. Nothing in the vape world will be as easy, I know that now, but I'm hoping I can find something that is as consistent, even if I have to know how to build an atty to get it.
If you go through some more of that thread, there are some people trying both. You do have to be careful that it's 100% cotton and on candlewick, it's hard to get the dimensions. They are saying it's good. I may work my way to that. Right now, I'm trying stuff thats more readily available locally.
What you haven't said is how long you're willing to take to learn to get that consistency. One thing to keep in mind, right now just about any RBA will go pretty quickly on the classies. That's liable to change in a few months. Being a GG though, the Penelope is more likely to hold it's value than most.
Making the wires isn't that rough. I got a 100' roll of R-wire for like 5 dollars, and I'm still looking for a cheaper NR-wire, but the 10 foot I got was like 8 dollars for .999 silver wire. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to take Penelope apart, rebuild the wire, put it back in, and get it all back together again. That's including testing to make sure it works, and fiddling around with the wire a little to make sure that it didn't slip off the wick while I was installing the ends.
I do agree about the wick though, I've been trying to order some from COV, but once they get a shipment of it, it's out of stock within 2 hours. I've pretty much given up on buying the consumable bits from them. There's a couple alternatives around, but I'm still waiting for a package to arrive.
I'd recommend that you hop over to the GG forum and ask Imeo if there's any way he could send some of your needed replacement parts out directly to you, or anything like that. He seems like a pretty reasonable guy.
Penelope is working great, once I got over the learning curve. There were some hiccups while I was trying to figure out how tight the wire needed to be on the wick, and all of that stuff. It does seem to go through quite a bit of juice though, good thing that I DIY.
I'm using a Kicked PV though, so I don't have to worry too much about what Ohms my coils come out to be, I think that I would be more frustrated if I was still using a fixed voltage PV. About all I can offer for comparing to a Genesis style is hearsay.
I do know that comparing it to every Carto/Tank/Atty that I've ever tried, they don't hold a candle to it. I've had to re-formulate my liquids, the flavors come through really well, and this thing makes clouds.
Is money an issue? I mean, do you -need- to make sure that your X money is spent wisely?
If it's not, and you can afford to throw down and buy two or three attys, why not do that? The ones that you don't like, you can put up on the classies and they'll sell pretty darn fast, especially if you put it up at a reasonable price.
Been sucking on the Kayfun (its in the list) for 4 days now;
-Not a juice hog
-Produces vapor,no problemo
-Flavor,impeccable
-Ease of use: top notch
-Construction: best I've tried and seen so far
-Clear window: comes with both SS (for plastic breaking juices) and SS/clear windows (fully clear ones avail. as parts)
-Wick and wire setup,mounted on posts (no need for nores wire,comes with 1 installed and plenty of spare wick and wire and o-rings)
-Choice of mouth piece (add. parts)
-Draw adjustable (freakin precise)
-Easy to recoil,uses braided wick
-Never a dry hit,ever
-Comes with a 510 connector,mounts flush on anything
-Its perfect
-It looks awesome
-Its priceyish (the new III ES tank is available,bit more expensive)
-I have 3
Pic with full makrolon transparent window and cap (options)
-Not a juice hog
-Produces vapor,no problemo
-Flavor,impeccable
-Ease of use: top notch
-Construction: best I've tried and seen so far
-Clear window: comes with both SS (for plastic breaking juices) and SS/clear windows (fully clear ones avail. as parts)
-Wick and wire setup,mounted on posts (no need for nores wire,comes with 1 installed and plenty of spare wick and wire and o-rings)
-Choice of mouth piece (add. parts)
-Draw adjustable (freakin precise)
-Easy to recoil,uses braided wick
-Never a dry hit,ever
-Comes with a 510 connector,mounts flush on anything
-Its perfect
-It looks awesome
-Its priceyish (the new III ES tank is available,bit more expensive)
-I have 3
Pic with full makrolon transparent window and cap (options)
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There's a new Genesis style tank coming out from Smoktech, which might be an inexpensive way to try this out. I believe it's coming in to Madvapes soon, and there's a coop waiting for them now. Not much info yet - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-smoktech-vivi-tank-rebuildable-atomizer.html
They are wrong,its a mesh and wire and our friends from Poland (in fact,all of western Europe) been using them for a few weeks already;there might be some issues with them but nothing major (as with all low cost atties)...still an interesting proposition,I will get a couple just for the hell of it (its a scubagen clone)
Making the wires isn't that rough. I got a 100' roll of R-wire for like 5 dollars, and I'm still looking for a cheaper NR-wire, but the 10 foot I got was like 8 dollars for .999 silver wire. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to take Penelope apart, rebuild the wire, put it back in, and get it all back together again. That's including testing to make sure it works, and fiddling around with the wire a little to make sure that it didn't slip off the wick while I was installing the ends.
I do agree about the wick though, I've been trying to order some from COV, but once they get a shipment of it, it's out of stock within 2 hours. I've pretty much given up on buying the consumable bits from them. There's a couple alternatives around, but I'm still waiting for a package to arrive.
I'd recommend that you hop over to the GG forum and ask Imeo if there's any way he could send some of your needed replacement parts out directly to you, or anything like that. He seems like a pretty reasonable guy.
Penelope is working great, once I got over the learning curve. There were some hiccups while I was trying to figure out how tight the wire needed to be on the wick, and all of that stuff. It does seem to go through quite a bit of juice though, good thing that I DIY.
About all I can offer for comparing to a Genesis style is hearsay.
I do know that comparing it to every Carto/Tank/Atty that I've ever tried, they don't hold a candle to it. I've had to re-formulate my liquids, the flavors come through really well, and this thing makes clouds.
Avidvapor has wick unless you are convinced that GG's is the only appropriate one.
I've been using 999 fine silver for the NR part. There's a guy in Isreal that sells a 40ft roll for around $12 on ebay. I haven't gotten mine from him yet.
In the GG forum Imeo talks about using nickel wire for the NR part. I have 150ft of that on the way to try. Was about $12 shipped. If it works, I should be good for several years.
Hmmm, I didn't think about that. Most of those are just on a spool labeled "wick" from what I remember. You know, this may actually be hard to source -- to ensure the cord/wick is unbleached, non-impregnated, pure cotton. I need to go read the rest of that thread...
I'm pretty patient as long as I see a payoff on the horizon, and a good vape is a payoff.
I'm willing to wait a long time to perfect the skill. It can't be any more tedious than putting together riveted chainmail, or carving stone, both of which are old hobbies of mine (I promise I'm not a nut, I just like challenging things). I actually made my own chainmail links at one time, though after about 800 or so (about 8 rods of 100 wraps, before being cut), I decided it was easier to order them. I figure I can learn this too. My only question is, is it attainable? For instance, once I've mastered making the things, are they still only going to last about 2-3 days? Certainly with the right wire, wick, and technique they'll last at least as long as a carto, right?
BTW... with how scarce these RBAs seem to be, I jumped on the last Penelope order since it was available. I'm not even sure this is the one I want, but I just felt like this was my only chance for a while maybe to get a RBA if I really wanted one. Here's hoping for the best...
Money is a bit of an issue, but not a major one. I don't mind money well spent, even if its a lot, but money wasted bugs me. I hate that I've thrown away so much on products I'll never use again. However, in the big picture, as long as it keeps me away from analogues, its all money well spent.
That's not a bad idea you have there. I could recoup my funds by selling the ones I didn't care for. I've never checked out the classifieds, but I hear there are pretty active. Neat idea. I wonder what my wife will think of it? lol...
All I can say is WOW. ...I'm going to have to check into those. Didn't know they existed. I still haven't made my way through the list yet.
I just checked out the website from the list... its in Russian! How did you figure out this was the one for you, and how did the order process go, you know, with the language barrier?
click the flag below the rotating logo to select the language...currency is somewhere in the middle bottom of the banner beside it
now its in english and us currency..see if it works
http://shop.svoemesto.ru
now its in english and us currency..see if it works
http://shop.svoemesto.ru
I think the people that are using it got it on ebay. There are a couple people that sell it on there. The general consensus is that you're going to have a hard time avoiding bleached stuff. Perhaps butchers twine. The bleached items should be cleaned enough that it's not a problem. Sizing is a different issue. Most cord will have sizing to help it keep it's shape. Not sure about candlewick. Right now, I'm using cotton yarn that I boiled to get the sizing out.
If you ever want to take the jump,let me know...I have a way to shave off 10% of those prices (coupon code)
Right around the time that I ordered my Penlope, I was watching the classifieds and I saw a couple Penelope's up that were listed at 180-200. I'm not sure if they sold, but I imagine that they did because of the scarcity. That's not bad though, 130+shipping and then they probably bought some extra wire/wick, which was included... It's still marked up a bit though.
Right around the time that I ordered my Penlope, I was watching the classifieds and I saw a couple Penelope's up that were listed at 180-200. I'm not sure if they sold, but I imagine that they did because of the scarcity. That's not bad though, 130+shipping and then they probably bought some extra wire/wick, which was included... It's still marked up a bit though.
Amazing...people marking them up and still finding buyers while the stuff is still available at ALL resellers?
I have been on a similar quest to find the right rebuildable atty for a while now and thought I'll chime in with my experience so far.
I got the Orion and a couple of Zenesis mods, been patiently trying em out. While the genesis mods give great flavor and vapor ( when you finally get the wick and coil right), I could not get into using these mods as my daily go to vape because of the fact that all or most of these attys need to be kept upright most of the time, or the juice leaks out. I have had a couple of mls of juice empty in my pocket twice. I know the die hard evangelists of the genesis would shoot me down for saying this but IMO the Penelope and Odysseus kicks .... of all other attys out there. Besides the fact that the GGs seem to have the most thought out design and engineering, I think the biggest advantage of the GG attys is the juice control. Every juice has a slightly different viscosity and the juice control lets you tune in to the right amount of flow. IMO no atty without juice control will ever beat the GG rebuildables. Also, coil making for a GG is simpler and easier than most genesis style attys for me.
I got the Orion and a couple of Zenesis mods, been patiently trying em out. While the genesis mods give great flavor and vapor ( when you finally get the wick and coil right), I could not get into using these mods as my daily go to vape because of the fact that all or most of these attys need to be kept upright most of the time, or the juice leaks out. I have had a couple of mls of juice empty in my pocket twice. I know the die hard evangelists of the genesis would shoot me down for saying this but IMO the Penelope and Odysseus kicks .... of all other attys out there. Besides the fact that the GGs seem to have the most thought out design and engineering, I think the biggest advantage of the GG attys is the juice control. Every juice has a slightly different viscosity and the juice control lets you tune in to the right amount of flow. IMO no atty without juice control will ever beat the GG rebuildables. Also, coil making for a GG is simpler and easier than most genesis style attys for me.
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