what is the importance of silver wire quality?

[dudubitn]

Recently come into use wire silver without resistance for certain rebuildables, I would like to know why it is important the quality\ cleaning of the silver wire? If it is only for electric conductivity in the end?
silver Cleanliness levels of 999 or 9999 prices have come Jewelry prices and not a prices of equipment.

Does the using of silver with low quality will be bad?

thank you
david

 

[justinred]

Only conductivity. If you want something cheaper, get 32awg pure nickel wire which you can use as non-resistance wire and is under $10/100feet.

 

[dudubitn]

thank you for your answer, i didnt get an answer about the rezone that people using the silver 999 quality in rba atty?
i want to know how the silver quality effect the using in the rebuildable atty?
is this a good choice?:
100 Meters Silver Copper Beading Jewelry Wire Craft 0 2mm 32 Gauge | eBay
any silver wire is without resistence?
thank you
david

 

[Skinny Pete]

Use gold wire

 

[Thrasher]

silver is one of the most conductive/least resistive metals around. and is strong. someone probably just decided to use it because of the amount that is commonly used in electronics manufacturing, and had ready access to it.

there is very little difference between 999 and 9999, just 9999 is about as pure as it can get, but really isnt needed if you want to avoid cost.

 

[justinred]

That is silver plated copper wire. That will not work. You need pure silver or pure nickel.

thank you for your answer, i didnt get an answer about the rezone that people using the silver 999 quality in rba atty?
i want to know how the silver quality effect the using in the rebuildable atty?
is this a good choice?:
100 Meters Silver Copper Beading Jewelry Wire Craft 0 2mm 32 Gauge | eBay
any silver wire is without resistence?
thank you
david

 

[anavidfan]

That is silver plated copper wire. That will not work. You need pure silver or pure nickel.

I was wondering where you are getting the pure nickel? There was a guy on ebay but I dont see it listed anymore and the few other places I find are more than 3x the price. Thank you

 

[justinred]

I was wondering where you are getting the pure nickel? There was a guy on ebay but I dont see it listed anymore and the few other places I find are more than 3x the price. Thank you

Hey anavidfan, I have this in my cart but haven't ordered yet. I still have lots of silver left.
Pure Nickel wire (non resistance wire ) 32 awg 100 ft

 

[LongDraw]

Does anyone notice a difference between using silver wire or nickel? I have silver now, but for the price I could get 5 times the amount of nickel compared to the silver. Also I am using 30 gauge of silver, if nickel is just as good would 30 or 32 gauge be best? I usually use 30 gauge kanthal, sometimes 32.

Thanks

 

[justinred]

I have tried both. Silver is softer than nickel. Really just user preference but I prefer stiffer nickel because it has similar stiffness to kanthal. With silver I have to be careful that it is not just silver twisting around a straight kanthal instead of them both wrapping around each other. Nickel has higher resistance than silver but are both negligible for our purpose. Same gauge as your resistance wire would be best but 30 or 32 shouldn't really matter much.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

There's a jewelry site that sells .999 Silver 30g NR wire for dirt cheap but I can't find it now that I need some, though this site has it it's not nearly as cheap, 50 cents a foot which really isn't horrible to get you buy until you can find a cheaper source. I mean heck, 5 bucks for 10 foot of silver wire should hold you great for a while.

.999 Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round Dead Soft Wire

 

[dwcraig1]

I ordered some of the nickel from back in post #8, all it has to be is be non resistor wire and not try to poison you like heated copper, 100 ft will that me a lot longer than 10 ft. I still have at least 15 ft of silver so I'll be good for a while.

 

[UncleChuck]

Anyone care to explain something to me:

How is using silver wire to connect your coil going to accomplish anything when the rest of the device will be introducing more loss in the system than a very short length of a non-silver wire?

Basically what I mean, whatever PV you're using most likely has some copper wire in it to make connections. The connetion between the PV and the atty is most likely either steel or brass. You've got many connection points and paths of flow in a PV that aren't silver, so how are you going to see any difference in performance when there are other weak links all over the place in the system?

A very small length of copper or steel wire is going to somehow introduce undesireable amounts of resistance into the system, yet steel on steel 510 connections, connections between the battery tube and the battery cap, etc etc.

To me it just kind of seems like removing your car radio to reduce weight while you still have huge heavy 50-way adjustable seats with hot/cold/massage/etc - basically pointless.

I can totally see using silver wire for safey reasons. I thought i heard somewhere that copper shouldn't be in contact with juice in any way at all, not sure exactly why. But silver has always been known as safe for being in contact with stuff you are going to be ingesting.

 

[mekks082]

Anyone care to explain something to me:

How is using silver wire to connect your coil going to accomplish anything when the rest of the device will be introducing more loss in the system than a very short length of a non-silver wire?

Basically what I mean, whatever PV you're using most likely has some copper wire in it to make connections. The connetion between the PV and the atty is most likely either steel or brass. You've got many connection points and paths of flow in a PV that aren't silver, so how are you going to see any difference in performance when there are other weak links all over the place in the system?

A very small length of copper or steel wire is going to somehow introduce undesireable amounts of resistance into the system, yet steel on steel 510 connections, connections between the battery tube and the battery cap, etc etc.

To me it just kind of seems like removing your car radio to reduce weight while you still have huge heavy 50-way adjustable seats with hot/cold/massage/etc - basically pointless.

I can totally see using silver wire for safey reasons. I thought i heard somewhere that copper shouldn't be in contact with juice in any way at all, not sure exactly why. But silver has always been known as safe for being in contact with stuff you are going to be ingesting.

The silver wire does not get hot, it avoids bad taste/hot legs in parts not in contact with the wick.

That is what I always though anyways.

 

[Thrasher]

The silver wire does not get hot, it avoids bad taste/hot legs in parts not in contact with the wick.

That is what I always though anyways.

this is correct, it also provides no resistance to the coil assembly meaning just the coil gets hot, and does not add to the overall resistance as some RBA require fairly long leads.
Also silver is hypoallergenic, meaning it is safe to use in something we eat or drink with no toxicity. as nickel can be toxic and allergenic to some, people have gone to using silver as a safer alternative
several atty's like the line for instance use silver electrodes becuase they run through the juice.

 

[LongDraw]

What would be the difference between pure nickel and nickel silver wire? (Maybe besides the obvious that the second is both nickel and silver, haha.)

I was wondering if nickel silver wire would be better as it would provide a little more sturdiness to the wire then pure silver?

 

[Randy C]

Here's what I bought at Hobby Lobby... although I'm concerned about it's quality. Can anyone confirm that this is ok to use?
On-a-Wire 32-Gauge Silver Beading Wire | Shop Hobby Lobby

 

[dwcraig1]

Here's what I bought at Hobby Lobby... although I'm concerned about it's quality. Can anyone confirm that this is ok to use?
On-a-Wire 32-Gauge Silver Beading Wire | Shop Hobby Lobby

The price is really low, look at this maybe it is similar
Silver 32 Gauge Copper Bead Wire 95 Metres Craft New | eBay

I'm not saying it is OK or not OK just thought this may be the same wire, they at least give a description

 

[HandbananA]

I also bought some wire from a craft store that was supposed to be sterling silver. Although, I'm not going to use it. I wanted to test it first, so I took a lighter to it. Heating it up made it kinda bubbly and form a crud. Next I tested it hooked up to a coil. Just as before with the lighter, the area where the Kanthal and hobby wire met the same thing happened... albeit on a much smaller scale. It's obvious to me that the hobby wire is coated with something. It may also may be plated but I'm not sure.

Here's what I bought at Hobby Lobby... although I'm concerned about it's quality. Can anyone confirm that this is ok to use?
On-a-Wire 32-Gauge Silver Beading Wire | Shop Hobby Lobby

 

[dwcraig1]

I also bought some wire from a craft store that was supposed to be sterling silver. Although, I'm not going to use it. I wanted to test it first, so I took a lighter to it. Heating it up made it kinda bubbly and form a crud. Next I tested it hooked up to a coil. Just as before with the lighter, the area where the Kanthal and hobby wire met the same thing happened... albeit on a much smaller scale. It's obvious to me that the hobby wire is coated with something. It may also may be plated but I'm not sure.

Same test on 999 fine silver resembles melting solder, no crud. After reading this post I just had to test mine