what is the spin on this article

[AdamAnd]

Just so u are aware there are alot of studys coming out in light of the proposed FDA regulations and its getting very interesting if anyone can tell me if we are to be worried i mean using a just gg with high drain bat with ithaka at sub ohms between 5-8 ohms i have to get a temperature gun
Study: Some E-Cigs Put Out Tobacco-Like Levels of Carcinogens

 

[D Stanley Querfurth]

Study´s ??? i hope you know the rule that applies to every study !
the result depends on the one who pays for it / who orders it !!!
i can test the worst of things and apply it to all good ones, very clever and really not scientific !!!!!

Even if it was true, all it was stating is that vapor may be as bad as cigarettes...and cigarettes you can buy on any corner..but the bad bad ecigarette has to be banned or regulated to death...

...in the future the FDA regulations will bring us to a world where only big tabaco companies can afford to sell vaping gear and liquids- and they will for sure take a lot of money for it !!!

 

[AdamAnd]

I was hoping for some information or better where i could find information as to what temperature heating vg or pg or nic or flavor ing would produce these ill side effects they are talking about there will always be studys which most have to be taken with a grain of salt but also there is a little truth in everything a good lie starts with a half truth. Guess its time to search the web once again .

I don't want to speak for anyone but myself but if we want self regulation we should be testing as well for safety I don't believe for a minute the FDA or health Canada there is to much money involved my thought is to contact the university's that i know of and see if anyone would do a study on it addressing all the concerns that people have. And dr oz can kiss my ...

 

[Itshak]

this all public opinion simple manipulation.
it's like saying pipe deliver more nicotin then cigarets!
and some pipe even more then others! so? what a bout it?

nobuddy regulated pipes??? oh?

someone realy try hard to fool our heads,and we better be, by not follow.

same as we choose how big alcohol glass we want to use
or how big pipe we would perefer,same as in e cig.

it's a free world??? or maybe not like we think it is!

adam it's good that you post this so we know better how low things are going thx for that
but for one minute we should not forget as long as we pay taxes all is ok
tobaco alcohols and also vaping will be ok (dam' right it will) after regulation,though not as we will like!
they will tax it in the end (it's written on the wall) and regulate it for the bennefits of big compenies!

 

[imeothanasis]

analog cigarettes are safer than electronic ones, thats what FDA says in a few words.

Maybe I will start smoking marlboro but I will not be able to breath again

 

[Itshak]

analog cigarettes are safer than electronic ones, thats what FDA says in a few words.

Maybe I will start smoking marlboro but I will not be able to breath again

but there is CR to tune the air flow,
and no list of ingridients

 

[AdamAnd]

but there is CR to tune the air flow,
and no list of ingridients

Yes your all right and I will have my doctors appointment soon and get my chest x-ray I had one before I started Vaping now three years later I will have after shot done. Prove to myself, of course I can tell that I am in a lot better shape breathing wise and all around general health its all about money it always is. My Mother of 75 is giving me a hard time and I try to explain and of course I have to be polite and Patient its my Mother!! but she is old school and tends to lean to what the media is saying I guess I am getting a little tried of defending myself and want some real study's done and real info and not these two bit doctors on TV giving misleading info and being very careful to cover there .... Thanks for letting me rant.

 

[Itshak]

Be sure adam I'm ranting all over with you when and where ever I can.

We post to our Ministry of Health office me and my wife and friends.
We provided them with MSDS pdf's of PG from major manufacturer companies from the EU.
We gave them link to Dr Farsalino latest research.

We should work harder to explain more to those who don't know.
The battle as I see it is on the still smoker and never smoker opinion,
Together they are the majority.

We vapers can't be sold,after we live and feel better but we are not enough
In numbers per all the otheres.

I also have hard time with never smokers and still smokers
Telling me vaping is the same as smoking analog ,but time after time I confront this with data,
And explain in specific why it is not.

It's very upsetting times indeed.

 

[grannykimmy]

If the FDA had our best interest at heart they wouldn't approve cigarettes

 

[imeothanasis]

aaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxxxxaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

but there is CR to tune the air flow,
and no list of ingridients

 

[imeothanasis]

I really cant understand why older people believe media.
Media are worse than politicians.
We are the victims as usual. There is no freedom, we just think we are free. We live in a world full of nonsense.

Yes your all right and I will have my doctors appointment soon and get my chest x-ray I had one before I started Vaping now three years later I will have after shot done. Prove to myself, of course I can tell that I am in a lot better shape breathing wise and all around general health its all about money it always is. My Mother of 75 is giving me a hard time and I try to explain and of course I have to be polite and Patient its my Mother!! but she is old school and tends to lean to what the media is saying I guess I am getting a little tried of defending myself and want some real study's done and real info and not these two bit doctors on TV giving misleading info and being very careful to cover there .... Thanks for letting me rant.

 

[imeothanasis]

If the FDA had our best interest at heart they wouldn't approve cigarettes

ahahaha, sure gran. FDA is just another company and acts like this.

But because they know the truth, I am sure that most employees on FDA vape

 

[AdamAnd]

ahahaha, sure gran. FDA is just another company and acts like this.

But because they know the truth, I am sure that most employees on FDA vape

I think this should be a wake up call to all vapors that it is time to start taking things very seriously, talk is cheap we need to take action now before it is to late. I am not a lawyer but I am sure there are some vapors that are, I am sure there are some vapors in the media to and there must be some way to spread the word on the studys that have been done that are not bias one way or the other. I hope we can get organised well enough to crush the FDA, Health Canada and big tabacco.

 

[Rina]

Hi Itshak. Would you mind providing links, or whatever, to the items you mentioned you've provided to your Ministry of Health?
I would just like to be more informed as well. It's better to be armed with more knowledge when I'm confronted with doubters.
Thank you and keep fighting the good fight!

Be sure adam I'm ranting all over with you when and where ever I can.

We post to our Ministry of Health office me and my wife and friends.
We provided them with MSDS pdf's of PG from major manufacturer companies from the EU.
We gave them link to Dr Farsalino latest research.

We should work harder to explain more to those who don't know.
The battle as I see it is on the still smoker and never smoker opinion,
Together they are the majority.

We vapers can't be sold,after we live and feel better but we are not enough
In numbers per all the otheres.

I also have hard time with never smokers and still smokers
Telling me vaping is the same as smoking analog ,but time after time I confront this with data,
And explain in specific why it is not.

It's very upsetting times indeed.

 

[Itshak]

Hi Itshak. Would you mind providing links, or whatever, to the items you mentioned you've provided to your Ministry of Health?
I would just like to be more informed as well. It's better to be armed with more knowledge when I'm confronted with doubters.
Thank you and keep fighting the good fight!

Rina,
This are very easy to come by;

PG pdf's (choose the one you would like),don't want to get into the specific of what had been sent.

propylene glycol pdf do declare some very importent things:
1)they may irritate on inhalation ( but not to all and this reference mostly to 100% PG)
2) there is no study on long term inhalation!!!

So who ever say other my not be correct.

Also there were reference from FDA's around the globe to glycols in general
And others are more problematic,but to be specific the relevant is only propylene glycol.

Also here is the post here on ECF referring Dr Farsalino study.
Follow the link in first post
The the other link with the name,on the page that will be open.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-absorption-electronic-cigarettes-webmd.html

Here there are much more reference at CASSA

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

I believe all aoutorities have the knowledge maybe even more,
But they have also other needs.

But we better know for ourself first it's our healthy we are keeping
and it is much more important to us then any other.


Take time and
Enjoy the reading Rina

 

[Rina]

Itshak, thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't know where to start but now, because of you, I do. I'll be reading up on these for a while.
By the way, I noticed your other recent posts (pictures) and I am just amazed with your collection! Absolutely magnificent!

 

[ZeroOhms]

don't get lost in the data. whole thing is like a political campaign. FDA and other regulatory groups will use extreme cases to get what they want. let me rephrase that. they will do this until the big tobacco companies and government get what they want. once the election is over, they will change their tune and sing praises about how much lives e-cig is saving while they charge 90% tax on them. nobody knows the so called "long term side effect" of vaping. nobody. only thing that is clear at this point is there are lots of money to be made from this. and they will not stop until they get their money. capitalism at its finest.

 

[imeothanasis]

exactly............

 

[Rina]

Thank you for the advice, Zero.