What makes a warm vape?

[SaraBee]

Hi all,

I like a nice warm vape, but I can't really pinpoint what goes into achieving this. In general is it the voltage, the ohms, number of coils in a carto?

This is my specific issue. I have both a Volt and an Echo 1300. The Volt cartos seem to give me a warmer vape, but the Echo DC cartos give me better flavor and hold a lot more liquid. My problem is I want the best of both worlds. Is it the dual coils in the Echo carts that are making for a cooler inhale than I get with the Volt cartos? There is a single coil version of them that I could try if that's the case.

 

[AttyPops]

Watts (heat) = voltage * voltage / ohms.

So... it depends on the exact voltage of the device, and the ohms of the coil (also, to some degree, the design of the atty/carto).

The dual coils have to divide the total available energy between them (quick explanation).

I don't know those gadgets. But if you know the ohm and the volts for what you like, you can compute the watts and use that as your "target wattage" for any device combination on the planet.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

I like a nice warm vape, but I can't really pinpoint what goes into achieving this. In general is it the voltage, the ohms, number of coils in a carto?

Yes. That's the short (and mostly unhelpful) answer.

The long answer is that it comes down to the amount of power and how it's used. Higher voltage on the same ohms means more power and warmer vapor. The same voltage on lower ohms means more power and warmer vapor. The same power sent to two coils means each gets half the power, and you get a cooler vapor. If you want warm vapor and clouds of vapor, you need more power. If you want warm clouds of vapor from a dual coil you need twice the power.

Your best bet for warm vapor is to either go with a higher power unit, or stick with lower resistance single-coil carts.

 

[SaraBee]

What's the reasoning behind dual coils then? When I ordered them I thought to myself, "More coils = more heating units so warmer vapor." Clearly a very wrong theory! Are dual coils just for enhancing flavor?

I think I will try ordering the single coil echomizers and see how that works out. The DC ones are perfect other than being kind of cool. They have great vapor production, a nice draw and good flavor. I tried some 2.7 ohm Boges awhile back, but I thought the draw was too tight. Maybe there will be some lower ohm Smoketechs in my future? I don't know, it's all a bit confusing!

 

[bryansthl]

Ce2 cartomizers make a warm vaper.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

What's the reasoning behind dual coils then? When I ordered them I thought to myself, "More coils = more heating units so warmer vapor." Clearly a very wrong theory! Are dual coils just for enhancing flavor?

Different mods provide different amounts of power. A dual coil at 5 to 6 volts is pretty much vaping nirvana for me. A dual coil at lower power gives more power and a cooler vapor - some people like cooler vapor. I'm in your camp, because I like a little heat in the vapor, but not everyone does.

 

[my4jewels]

My vote goes to a VV mod with a carto tank with a 3.0 Boge carto. You can adjust the heat of the vape any way you want.

 

[AttyPops]

I agree with my4jewels. A good way to learn what you like and then you can figure the watts and always know what to buy even for non vv stuff (like spares/backup devices). Different juices may have different taste profiles too. Some vv users swear they need to dial different settings for different juices, not just different atties/cartos. And of course, you can dial it in to what ever you have for hardware for the TH you want.

Check the reviews 1st. Some vv devices don't handle DCs as well as others if I remember correctly. That's assuming you're looking for a new device. If its just a carto change...

I don't know the echo's voltage. Some eGo type fat-batts are 3.4 others are 3.7. Assuming 3.7 volts a 2.0 ohm carto would give you 6.845 watts. Not a bad vape. 7 or 8 is a good target range if you like a warm vape. OTOH, a 3.4 volt unit using 2.0 ohms is 5.78 watts... a full watt cooler. Some have said never to go below 2.0 ohms on fat-batts since they were rumored to fail/fry. Others say that this is an "issue of the past, and no longer applies" to the current units in production. Some swear by 1.5 - 2.0 ohm stuff.

Maybe you could check the echo thread to see what others are using and see if they have any problems: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/189567-echo-thread.html

 

[swedishfish]

If you don't want to buy a new pv, first try the 1.7 single coil smoktek cartos on the echo battery. You'll need an adaptor though. Mad Vapes & Good Prophets carry them.

Ikenvape has a 2.0 KR808 carto

IKV MEGA LR KR808 Cartomizer Stainless 2.0

 

[swedishfish]

woops! they're out. sorry.

Here's one

IKV MEGA LR KR808 Cartomizer 2.0

 

[washvap]

Watts (heat) = voltage * voltage / ohms.

So... it depends on the exact voltage of the device, and the ohms of the coil (also, to some degree, the design of the atty/carto).

The dual coils have to divide the total available energy between them (quick explanation).

I don't know those gadgets. But if you know the ohm and the volts for what you like, you can compute the watts and use that as your "target wattage" for any device combination on the planet.

Great info right here.

woops! they're out. sorry.

Here's one

IKV MEGA LR KR808 Cartomizer 2.0

These are what I use on my Echo batts. I've never been a fan of the echo carto's in general which caused me to hate the Echo when I first bought it. The IKV MEGA LR KR808 gives out good flavor, TH, and vapor. Which is one of my favorite cartos that are out there right now.

 

[swedishfish]

I agree with my4jewels. A good way to learn what you like and then you can figure the watts and always know what to buy even for non vv stuff (like spares/backup devices). Different juices may have different taste profiles too. Some vv users swear they need to dial different settings for different juices, not just different atties/cartos. And of course, you can dial it in to what ever you have for hardware for the TH you want.

Check the reviews 1st. Some vv devices don't handle DCs as well as others if I remember correctly. That's assuming you're looking for a new device. If its just a carto change...

I don't know the echo's voltage. Some eGo type fat-batts are 3.4 others are 3.7. Assuming 3.7 volts a 2.0 ohm carto would give you 6.845 watts. Not a bad vape. 7 or 8 is a good target range if you like a warm vape. OTOH, a 3.4 volt unit using 2.0 ohms is 5.78 watts... a full watt cooler. Some have said never to go below 2.0 ohms on fat-batts since they were rumored to fail/fry. Others say that this is an "issue of the past, and no longer applies" to the current units in production. Some swear by 1.5 - 2.0 ohm stuff.

Maybe you could check the echo thread to see what others are using and see if they have any problems: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/189567-echo-thread.html

The echo-e is 4.2 volts.

 

[jonny2hottie]

wattage is the key!

 

[AttyPops]

The echo-e is 4.2 volts.

Ah ha!! Thx swedishfish. It's not regulated then (it follows battery voltage.... A 3.7 volt "mod" type of thing). 4.2 volts is the fresh charge. Unless it has 2 cells in it... it is following battery voltage. OK. I"d use 3.7 as a "round number" and 2.0 ohm stuff. Same as you would use on any 3.7 volt mod.

 

[zoiDman]

I think the Subtle Dance of Volts, Ohms and Watts have been discussed here Already pretty well. And I'm not saying that they do not play a role in a "Warm" hit.

But to me, what makes a Hit "Warm" or not is the Distance from the Atomizer Wire to the Vaper's Mouth and if the Vapor has an Unobstructed Path.

As bryansthl mentioned, a CE2 gives a Warm Hit and I agree. Because the CE2's Coil is Very Close to the Vaper's Mouth and there is Nothing to Impede the path of the Vapor like Carto Filler.

Compare a CE2 to a CE3 and you see this. They both have the same Basic Design but the CE2 is a Top Coil whereas the CE3 is a Bottom Coil.

This Extra Distance from a Bottom Coil to a Top Coil might not seem like much, but it yields a Very Different Hit.

 

[swedishfish]

Ah ha!! Thx swedishfish. It's not regulated then (it follows battery voltage.... A 3.7 volt "mod" type of thing). 4.2 volts is the fresh charge. Unless it has 2 cells in it... it is following battery voltage. OK. I"d use 3.7 as a "round number" and 2.0 ohm stuff. Same as you would use on any 3.7 volt mod.

Well, that's just what I read. I just do what people here tell me to do and usually use the boge 2.0. I really like the battery though.

 

[erich]

Someone might correct me here and point out some obvious reason that this doesn't apply to atty coils. However, in electrical circuits it is current, *not* voltage that generates heat. This is the reason why long distance power lines are raised to extremely high voltage (hundreds of thousand volts)... it reduces the current while allowing the same total power (wattage) to pass through the lines.

This suggests that, for any given wattage (P = V²/R), lower resistance and the corresponding lower voltage would yield greater heat.

 

[erich]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1498fb652b

 

[eso]

Fluxomizer!

 

[zoiDman]

Someone might correct me here and point out some obvious reason that this doesn't apply to atty coils. However, in electrical circuits it is current, *not* voltage that generates heat. This is the reason why long distance power lines are raised to extremely high voltage (hundreds of thousand volts)... it reduces the current while allowing the same total power (wattage) to pass through the lines.

This suggests that, for any given wattage (P = V²/R), lower resistance and the corresponding lower voltage would yield greater heat.

I agree with one thing.

Since there is that Big Fat "Square" in the Numerator of the P = V²/R function, Increasing the Voltage is going to make that Quotient become Large.

By the Same token, making R smaller has a Similar effect.

Just not at the Same Rate of Change.