what makes dripping so good?

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InTheShade

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This may not be the thread for it but I have a question. I see threads about vaping at 10 watts, 15 watts, and some higher. If I am using my Vision Spinner with an Evod with a 2.2 ohm coil (which I built) attached and turn it up to 4.8 volts I immediately get either an "Off" flavor or a "Burnt" flavor. That's about 10 watts. Everyone talks about great flavor vaping this way. Tell me how this works.....I have a Vamo on the way.

You might want to start your own thread for this ut, not many will see it tucked away in here.

I'll give my take - the mass-produced heads made by most companies are a compromise of wicking, airflow and cost. They make them for pennies and you will never get the wicking required to vape them at higher voltages. As you found, they simply cannot provide enough juice to the wick fast enough to vape without getting burnt or dry hits.

When you see people posting about vaping at high power / lower resistance, they almost all are using an RBA or an RDA - where they have built the coil, the wick and where they are controlling the air-flow.

At the very least, if you are interested you could rebuild the EVOD heads with a microcoil and some organic cotton or something and then you might be able to turn it up a bit - but you won't be able to get much higher than about 10 watts max (just in my experience) because of the inherent design limitations of that coil head.
 

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Taste has everything to do with the build, type of wire and wick, ohms of the coil, watts vaped at, wick used and amount of air supply. A good rba will perform and taste as well as a good rda. One of my rba's is an rda also but with a tank on board. Even in rda's the flavor and vape production will vary between different styles and setups. It comes down once again to personal preference. I prefer tanks of juice that I only have to fill up every now and then.
 

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This may not be the thread for it but I have a question. I see threads about vaping at 10 watts, 15 watts, and some higher. If I am using my Vision Spinner with an Evod with a 2.2 ohm coil (which I built) attached and turn it up to 4.8 volts I immediately get either an "Off" flavor or a "Burnt" flavor. That's about 10 watts. Everyone talks about great flavor vaping this way. Tell me how this works.....I have a Vamo on the way.

the amount of watts one can vape at is highly dependent on the atomizer that is used. Most atomizers with premade coils are not capable of supplying the juice and air that is required to vape over 10 watts. The off or Burnt flavor you are experiencing is from the juice being consumed faster than it can be supplied, and you are tasting the wick being burned. With a good rba or rda, one is able to crank it up to max watts because when built properly, they can supply plenty of juice and enough air that 15 watts just provides a juicier more flavorfull vape, and clouds be formed. Only draw back is that one uses a lot more juice vaping at high watts.

Now if one has a mechanical and builds a coil that is .5 ohms then with a fresh battery you are looking at 32 watts being produced at the coil. Check out Ohm's Law to get a grasp on this. One the voltage drops in the battery so do the watts, When the voltage goes down to 3.6 volts then the watts is a measly 25 watts, probably more like 22 watts once voltage drop with batter under load is added in. Then you have to change out the battery and are back up to the 30 watt range.

But to do this one must have a atomizer that can handle it, and must have a working knowledge of your battery amp limitations, how to build coils, measure the ohms, check volts on batteries and practice safe battery care and maintenance.
 

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No doubt the Kayfun is a good, if large and heavy, juice delivery device. Its design is essentially a common RDA (expansion chamber) sitting in the bottom of a tank--an RDA with a properly centered coil with air flowing to it from below. To keep it relevant to this thread, one could chop off the flavor sapping wicks, leave the tank empty so juice isn't cooked before it gets to the coil, and drip into it from the top. ;)

My main problem with the Kayfun is the size and weight, especially for my 20 mm Simplicity. The smaller and lighter carto-sized RBAs are much better suited for dripping (the subject of this thread) and are much closer to the disposable atomizer experience, especially when used without a tank. The day I got my first ΣΟΦΙΑ (Sophia), I dripped it tankless. Using ready wires, I can recoil and rewick it as fast as my Reomizer 2s, even with a full tank! And that tank can be glass. IMO, this is the ultimate RBA. It can be a dripper or tanked as small or as large as you want.

 
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    This may not be the thread for it but I have a question. I see threads about vaping at 10 watts, 15 watts, and some higher. If I am using my Vision Spinner with an Evod with a 2.2 ohm coil (which I built) attached and turn it up to 4.8 volts I immediately get either an "Off" flavor or a "Burnt" flavor. That's about 10 watts. Everyone talks about great flavor vaping this way. Tell me how this works.....I have a Vamo on the way.

    Air flow.

    Do this simple experiment, and watch air flow in action.

    Pull the trigger with the coil exposed (like in my avatar), Now blow ever so lightly across the coil when you pull the trigger and watch the volume of vapor triple.

    Without sufficient air the atty will not vaporize enough liquid to avoid burning it.
     

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    I've only been playing with a mod for a few days now (K101), but I find I still like some flavors - like my Alpha Vapes - in my carto tank on my Ego C Twist. Dripping seems to take away some of the sweet edge of those juices that I really like. But maybe I'm just not doing it right. After reading the other posts, I'm going to start researching REO and Kayfun. For other flavors that I didn't like in my carto - like my G2 bakery flavors - dripping has been wonderful. Makes them more full bodied and pulls flavor out of them I couldn't detect in my carto.
     

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    The REO is the most flexible mod on the planet. It's dripping upside down, from the bottom. It was designed in the days before RBAs got so popular and so has a juice well to catch any juice from disposable atomizer or cartomizer air holes. Either work well on it, bridge-free disposable attys particularly so. The relatively inexpensive Reomizer 2 is a good, leak-free bottom-fed RDA (meaning the 510 connector positive post is drilled to pass liquid). The drilled, widely spaced posts over a ceramic base make for a safer and easy to coil and wick setup. The best part of this system is after you squeeze (squonk) the bottle to flood the atty and coil/wick, the expanding bottle sucks any excess juice back down out of the atty. You need only enough wick to fill the coil.

    A well-worn raw aluminum REO Grand is the only mod I take out of the house. With a 6 ml bottle and 18650 battery, in a package much smaller than a pack of cigarettes, out of sight in a back pocket, I'm set for a 15-16 hour day. The first thing I do when I get home is top off the tank with my stealthy work-day vape and swap in a fresh battery--it's always ready to go. An external tank would be redundant and unneeded. No spare juice or battery needed either. If I could have only one mod, it would be a REO Grand.

    Now all this being said, I enjoy other gear. Since I've had it, my Super-T Simplicity 18500 has displaced my second REO Grand as my main at home mod, primarily for dripping, the act of which I enjoy immensely. I've also used tanked cartos on it for a couple of juices, at least until I got Sophia (which is compatible with the REO). I also have a large VV/VW mod that rarely gets any love. Mechs are my mainstays and the REO Grand is one of the best.
     

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    One question I want to ask though is really, what factor of a coil most relates to flavor?

    I'm not so sure that it's really increased airflow, because I could have all the air in the world blowing into my Protank, yet even at 3.3V's and higher, it'll taste pretty crappy or almost flavorless, however, there will be a ton of vapor either way. Yet I could turn around and vape a little cigalike filled with strawberry juice, a device that has so little airflow that you feel like your sucking through a closed straw, something that doesn't even give enough vapor to barely breathe out, yet the flavor will be quite strong and clean. Totally opposite experiences in a every single way. Is it possible that having less airflow is what contributes to wicking and flavor (and possibly even thicker textured vapor) while increased airflow leads to only more vapor (and with increased vapor, the possibility of getting more flavor, but that this isn't the "main" factor of flavor?)
     
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