What 'Other Measures' are involved if FDA doesn't comply with Senator Johnson?

[zoiDman]

Try Reading the link I posted.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

I read it when it was First published.

"The Committee seeks first to expose information for the public. This information then becomes available to private interests who can and are filing lawsuits to stop the FDA. The Committee’s expectation is these lawsuits will be successful and they see their role as helping to bring relevant information to light to make these lawsuits easier to pursue."

And I hope you are not taking This to mean that Committee Members are "working closely with each suits attorneys".

Because if you are, you are Reading Too Much into what the Staffer told Mr. Jackson.

 

[retired1]

Someone else pointed out that the tobacco Control Act, is that only, an Act, not a Law yet.

Sorry. It was signed into law in 2009.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ31/html/PLAW-111publ31.htm

 

[coldgin96]

Watching this thread.

 

[BreSha6869]

I don't live in the US, but I am consistantly amazed that the answer isn't simple taxation and regulation. vaping has not been proven to be hazardous to your health as cigarettes and other tobacco products are, alcohol and don't even get me started on perscription drugs.

I can accept that eJuice contains nicotine and all governments will want some kind of sin tax, I can accept that ISO and other strict manufacturing guidelines should be implemented and adhered to but I can't accept the utter banning of a "new" product that at first glance seems to do more good than harm.

Crazy times.

 

[VNeil]

I don't live in the US, but I am consistantly amazed that the answer isn't simple taxation and regulation. Vaping has not been proven to be hazardous to your health as cigarettes and other tobacco products are, alcohol and don't even get me started on perscription drugs.

I can accept that eJuice contains nicotine and all governments will want some kind of sin tax, I can accept that ISO and other strict manufacturing guidelines should be implemented and adhered to but I can't accept the utter banning of a "new" product that at first glance seems to do more good than harm.

Crazy times.

They know they cannot control and fully tax open system vaping. It's as simple as that. Plus the loss to NRT products

 

[BreSha6869]

They know they cannot control and fully tax open system vaping. It's as simple as that. Plus the loss to NRT products

True, but they will still capture the majority of the market. A small portion of vapers will still DIY ejuice just as a small portion of smokers will buy indian reserve, smuggled or black market cigarettes.

 

[VNeil]

True, but they will still capture the majority of the market. A small portion of vapers will still DIY ejuice just as a small portion of smokers will buy indian reserve, smuggled or black market cigarettes.

Here's the problem: if you buy a liter of VG from Walmart it costs $15 or so. For 1000ml. If they put a $1/ml tax on eLiquid the tax is $1000.

Eta: the new generation of never smoking vapors will not need nic. They need a mod and a bottle of VG and it's Clouds Bro. So the idea of taxing consumer items at extraordinary rates falls apart.

You fix that by banning open system juice AND hardware. That is why there is so much emphasis on hardware.

 

[mostlyclassics]

True, but they will still capture the majority of the market. A small portion of vapers will still DIY ejuice just as a small portion of smokers will buy indian reserve, smuggled or black market cigarettes.

In many high-tax jurisdictions, a majority of the cigarettes sold are smuggled or black-market cigarettes. Chicago, New York (city and state) and Canada are prime examples.

It's fun to watch what happens when these jurisdictions raise the taxes yet again. The total cigarette tax revenues decline immediately. The health-oids pat themselves on the back saying, "See? Higher taxes encourage smokers to quit! Aren't we great?"

And a few years later, the CDC or someone does a survey which shows that the number of smokers in that jurisdiction actually remained constant. This latter fact is swept under the rug, of course.

The high-tax cigarettes within the jurisdiction have been replaced with smuggled or black-market smokes.

 

[zoiDman]

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It's fun to watch what happens when these jurisdictions raise the taxes yet again. The total cigarette tax revenues decline immediately. The health-oids pat themselves on the back saying, "See? Higher taxes encourage smokers to quit! Aren't we great?"

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This is a Good Point that I am Glad you mentioned.

 

[retired1]

As far as Senator Johnson and his committee are concerned, they have absolutely no ability to force the FDA to do anything as far as the deeming regs are concerned. They can bring things to light and make them public, they can haul the FDA in to a hearing and make them squirm, but it would take a full vote of Congress in order to reign the FDA in.

Edited to add:

And in an election year, it's highly unlikely that Congress is going to do anything about the FDA. Even if it's proven that every single FDA employee is a crook and is taking kickbacks from the pharmaceutical and tobacco companies, there is absolutely no way Congress is going to upset the apple cart in an election year.

 

[Robino1]

Maybe so. One can hope that with the attention it Is getting, it shows that we are not going away like we slunk off and hid when we were smokers and they came after us.

Also, Congress may not do anything about the FDA but what Senator Johnson said was the requesting of information may help with the lawsuits. Just one more little squeak in the wheel.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Someone was wrong about that.

So I now read, though let me double check something. There were two Acts mentioned. Thinking one was Tobacco Control, another Family Protection something Act. With all this cruft of laws there should be repealing of a good number so as to avoid vagueness via obfuscation. Nah, they'll just make more laws. One to make making laws legal, another making it illegal.

Week one: Eggs are the greatest damn food for ya.
Week two: Eggs are the food of the devil and will kill ya!
Week three: "Oh but we made a mistake, eggs are so so grand, again."

Me: "Ya know, livin kills 100% of folks, maybe we ban livin?"

ETA: My use of the word should does not imply I'm projecting my values upon anyone else. It is strictly an expression of my values. Everyone is at liberty by natural right to accept any values they choose. In the case of stupidity, if you choose that, fine. You can be stupid as it is your right. I have a right to avoid you, too. Have a shiny!

 

[MyMagicMist]

Edited to add:

And in an election year, it's highly unlikely that Congress is going to do anything about the FDA. Even if it's proven that every single FDA employee is a crook and is taking kickbacks from the pharmaceutical and tobacco companies, there is absolutely no way Congress is going to upset the apple cart in an election year.

This then gives evidence of empirical nature then, they are all copulating crooks in on the fraud. It illuminates the fact of the matter and direct sunlight does in deed, & in action kill scum. Shine the light and watch the roaches run away in panic. Not that I'm suggesting these people be killed, mind. I'm only pointing out a fact of nature. Yes, I call them scum. Let us keep a lot of light on them, we can better see them trying to deceive us.

To that point I'll concur with the axiom that "it is just to disobey an unjust law." It was the same in the UCMJ, you do not need to follow illegal orders.

I claim artist license to the way I write/speak. I'm a mature adult and at times use impolite words as there's no way to politely to say the blatant thing needing said. And viola, it was edited. *chuckles* TY.

 

[Katya]

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