What prevents some E-cig suppliers from showing the CASAA link on their websites?

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I've noticed that some e-cig suppliers (for liquid and/or gear) have the CASAA link on their websites but some do not. So I'm wondering why? Is there some reason why they do NOT support CASAA or don't want to show it?

CASAA has only approx. 15,000 members? Seems like they would have more members if it was more widely advertised.

 

[zoiDman]

I've noticed that some e-cig suppliers (for liquid and/or gear) have the CASAA link on their websites but some do not. So I'm wondering why? Is there some reason why they do NOT support CASAA or don't want to show it?

CASAA has only approx. 15,000 members? Seems like they would have more members if it was more widely advertised.

I'm not sure if there is Anything preventing a Retailer from displaying a CASAA link on their Web Site.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I'm not sure if there is Anything preventing a Retailer from displaying a CASAA link on their Web Site.

Is my Question a Valid one? If I post it in a few supplier's forums here on ECF, do you think they will answer? or will it seem like I'm stirring some sort of trouble? I really just want to know

 

[zoiDman]

Is my Question a Valid one? If I post it in a few supplier's forums here on ECF, do you think they will answer? or will it seem like I'm stirring some sort of trouble? I really just want to know

Absolutely it is.

I have mentioned that Retailers who support CASAA should Display a CASAA Link on their Sites before. I also would like to see B&M have a "Literature Rack" that contains printed materials for things like CASAA, the ECF, e-Cigarette Studies, Local State and Federal Reps. etc.

I don't think you will cause any problems talking with retailers. But I would PM or e-Mail them instead of doing it in a Public Forum setting.

A Business has the Right to run their Business as they choose (within the Law). And if a Business for some reason does not want to Display a CASAA Link on their site, I don't think that should be something that needs to be Dragged thru an Internet Forum.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Absolutely it is.

I have mentioned that Retailers who support CASAA should Display a CASAA Link on their Sites before. I also would like to see B&M have a "Literature Rack" that contains printed materials for things like CASAA, the ECF, e-Cigarette Studies, Local State and Federal Reps. etc.

I don't think you will cause any problems talking with retailers. But I would PM or e-Mail them instead of doing it in a Public Forum setting.

A Business has the Right to run their Business as they choose (within the Law). And if a Business for some reason does not want to Display a CASAA Link on their site, I don't think that should be something that needs to be Dragged thru an Internet Forum.

"dragged?" hmm... So asking why some suppliers don't put the link on their website or in their B&M would be derogatory? Thanks for your input zoiDman

 

[zoiDman]

"dragged?" hmm... So asking why some suppliers don't put the link on their website or in their B&M would be derogatory? Thanks for your input zoiDman

Just say'n that Broaching how a Company Conducts their Business on a Public Forum is Bound to Illicit Many Responses. And some may Not be as Nice as Others.

I don't like to tell someone how to run their Business. If I like it, I shop there. If I Don't, I Don't.

If a Site doesn't display an Affiliation to a Group for some Reason, I don't see that it is My Role to post it to a Public Forum.
Because I know what is Going to Happen.

 

[zoiDman]

"dragged?" hmm... So asking why some suppliers don't put the link on their website or in their B&M would be derogatory? Thanks for your input zoiDman

Just to be Clear.

I didn't say there was Anything Wrong with Asking. I just said that I Think it is Best to Not Do it on a Public Forum.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Just say'n that Broaching how a Company Conducts their Business on a Public Forum is Bound to Illicit Many Responses. And some may Not be as Nice as Others.

I don't like to tell someone how to run their Business. If I like it, I shop there. If I Don't, I Don't.

If a Site doesn't display an Affiliation to a Group for some Reason, I don't see that it is My Role to post it to a Public Forum.
Because I know what is Going to Happen.

Just to be Clear.

I didn't say there was Anything Wrong with Asking. I just said that I Think it is Best to Not Do it on a Public Forum.

Gotcha!

(Well oh my gosh. I didn't think of it in terms of the possibility that my question would illicit unkind responses! I've only thought of CASAA in a kind way, prior to this dialog we have here. Nor did I think I had any role in it one way or the other, except to possibly try to get more membership for CASAA.)

 

[zoiDman]

Gotcha!

(Well oh my gosh. I didn't think of it in terms of the possibility that my question would illicit unkind responses! I've only thought of CASAA in a kind way, prior to this dialog we have here. Nor did I think I had any role in it one way or the other, except to possibly try to get more membership for CASAA.)

I think that there would be Unkind Responses would be Directed at the Retailer. And Not at CASAA.

I think your Intention are Very Honorable. And I like your Involvement.

But if I had a Retail Web Site, I'm not sure If I would want to Answer Questions, on a Public Forum, about why I don't have a Link to an Organization. Like CASAA. Or the NRA. Or Right to Life. Or NORML. Or __________ (fill in your Favorite Org.)

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I think that there would be Unkind Responses would be Directed at the Retailer. And Not at CASAA.

I think your Intention are Very Honorable. And I like your Involvement.

But if I had a Retail Web Site, I'm not sure If I would want to Answer Questions, on a Public Forum, about why I don't have a Link to an Organization. Like CASAA. Or the NRA. Or Right to Life. Or NORML. Or __________ (fill in your Favorite Org.)

ahh, the highly volatile ones, yep. If I had an e-cig related website or B&M I'm not sure I'd want to discuss or answer questions about links to an organization in a public forum either.

 

[spartanstew]

Some people don't like to mix politics with their business, and CASAA is political.

 

[zoiDman]

Some people don't like to mix politics with their business, and CASAA is political.

Ding-Ding-Ding.

Winner, Winner. Chicken Dinner.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

Some people don't like to mix politics with their business, and CASAA is political.

Duh, ok. And here I thought they were just a Consumer Advocacy for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association. A non-profit organization that advocates electronic cigarettes.

Ding-Ding-Ding.

Winner, Winner. Chicken Dinner.

lol

 

[kristin]

I'm not certain what Spartanstew means that CASAA is "political." It's kind of like saying owners of trapping supply company wouldn't want to "mix politics with their business" by supporting their customers and promoting the National Trappers Association.

When your whole industry and livelihood is under attack, not being involved in the fight (or "politics") and getting your customers involved, as well, is pretty naive.

That said, CASAA isn't an industry association or representative. We represent consumer interests, which don't always align with business interests, but often do. Some e-cgarette companies have instead joined SFATA, ECIG or AEMSA, which is great, as far as we are concerned! We just want to see them involved in this fight in SOME way that matters!

CASAA is only "political" in the sense that we are forced to engage with lawmakers to ensure that smoke-free alternatives remain affordable, effective and accessible and that the truth about THR is known. We aren't "political" in the sense that we are paid lobbyists or get involved in elections or endorsing candidates.

 

[spartanstew]

CASAA is only "political" in the sense that we are forced to engage with lawmakers to ensure that smoke-free alternatives remain affordable, effective and accessible and that the truth about THR is known. We aren't "political" in the sense that we are paid lobbyists or get involved in elections or endorsing candidates.

Yes, that's what I meant.

And this part is also key:

We represent consumer interests, which don't always align with business interests, but often do.

That being said, I'm a member of CASAA and would encourage businesses to be a part of it, but I can also understand why they wouldn't. My father, for example, was a gun enthusiast and dealer for many years, but was not a member of the NRA. His objectives didn't align with theirs enough to support them.

 

[Dave_in_OK]

IMO now is the time all interested parties work together to protect our interests or we will lose. The FDA ANTZ BT BP are working together. Time to put minor differences/interests aside.

 

[kristin]

CASAA has open communications with most of the industry organzations. We have no illusions that we can be fully effective without their support and involvement.

 

[aikanae1]

I'll add that over the course of the last couple of weeks I am seeing CASAA symbols appear on most business websites and on FB. I think a lot of business owners were in denial that this would ever happen. How long have we've been hearing about "deeming"?

I'd still like to see more, but I think it's now at a level to where someone could get whatever they need at places that support CASAA if they wanted to.

I don't think the NRA is a good example in this case. NRA does represent owners, but they also represent manufacturers too and that creates a different set of obligations. That's not true with CASAA.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I'm not certain what Spartanstew means that CASAA is "political." It's kind of like saying owners of trapping supply company wouldn't want to "mix politics with their business" by supporting their customers and promoting the National Trappers Association.

When your whole industry and livelihood is under attack, not being involved in the fight (or "politics") and getting your customers involved, as well, is pretty naive.

That said, CASAA isn't an industry association or representative. We represent consumer interests, which don't always align with business interests, but often do. Some e-cgarette companies have instead joined SFATA, ECIG or AEMSA, which is great, as far as we are concerned! We just want to see them involved in this fight in SOME way that matters!

CASAA is only "political" in the sense that we are forced to engage with lawmakers to ensure that smoke-free alternatives remain affordable, effective and accessible and that the truth about THR is known. We aren't "political" in the sense that we are paid lobbyists or get involved in elections or endorsing candidates.

I'll add that over the course of the last couple of weeks I am seeing CASAA symbols appear on most business websites and on FB. I think a lot of business owners were in denial that this would ever happen. How long have we've been hearing about "deeming"?

I'd still like to see more, but I think it's now at a level to where someone could get whatever they need at places that support CASAA if they wanted to.

I don't think the NRA is a good example in this case. NRA does represent owners, but they also represent manufacturers too and that creates a different set of obligations. That's not true with CASAA.

Good info, thanks

 

[ClintS]

I will purchase only from those manufactures and suppliers that are a member of one of the following:

• - American E-liquid Manufacturing Standards Association (AEMSA)
• - Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association ( CASAA)
• - Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association (SFATA)

or any other large state, regional, or national vapor related advocacy group.

In this day and age with e-cigs being restricted or banned from delivery methods, use, and onerous regulations; any vapor product manufacturer or supplier that does not actively advocate may very well find themselves Out-of-Business in a few years.