What some physicians say about nicotine

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I have seen several videos now, with medical doctors saying that nicotine in and of itself, is no more harmful than the caffeine in a cup of coffee or soft drink. Since vaping contains nicotine but none of the harmful cancer causing substances and tars of analog cigs, I'm pretty excited to hear this.

What opinion do you have of these medical statements?
Do you feel pretty comfortable that vaping nicotine is not harmful to your health, or do you feel it is harmful? And if so, to what degree?

Personal Opinion (at this point anyway):2c:: Caffeine might be dangerous to a few consumers with other medical issues, but I feel for most of us it's not a serious health hazzard, .......and if nicotine is no more damaging than caffeine, as a smoker, I'm pretty happy I found vaping e-cigs (and my goal is to quit analogs completely).
 

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AFAIK about the most harmful thing for most of us regarding nicotine is it is addictive. I know, that *should* have warned me off 50 years ago but I didn't much care then, and in all honesty it doesn't generate all that much excitement in me today.

OTOH, not to discredit any particular doctors or the medical profession in general, but there are many things the AMA, the FDA, the CDC, etc. have known for years but refuse to publish because of the widespread panic such knowledge might cause. For example, repeated followups on studies dating back for centuries have conclusively proved that the common practice of living invariably leads to death. This fact has held true in every culture & geographic location on Earth since the studies began.

I don't know what's up with that. But anyway, Happy Vaping! :toast: :vapor:
 

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A nurse told me some doctors are writing orders allowing patients to use e-cigs while in the hospital.

i was in the hospital for three days getting a small tumor removed and the doctor had me order him an ego-c while i was there he said he thought it should be allowed in all medical establishments :2cool:i was flat giddy
 

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Vaping should never be outlawed, however vapers should still follow the rules and regulations which was unfortunately implemented to ward off smokers. Take the building where I work for example, the security boyband wannabe douche bags kept forcing vapers out even though we were only doing it while at the eCigs store we usually hangout with. Fortunately the store's owner was able to persuade the buildings admin to layoff us vapers. A battle won with glory! ^_^
 

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I choose to believe that nicotine in and of itself, is no more harmful than the caffeine in a cup of coffee or soft drink. Now Nicotine in very high volumes could be harmful (as well as caffeine) but your not going to get that high volume off of vaping. (lol... maybe if you vaped 36mg for 24/7 non-stop for a couple of days, but more than likely you would start to feel sick way before the end of day one)

Caffeine & Nicotine do increase the heart rate which could be bad for some people who have prior health conditions, but we have all done our bodies a "huge favor" by switching to vaping and leaving the nasty analogs alone. :)

Overall I don't see no harm in Nicotine , other than what Warren said about that fact that it's addictive.

When it comes to vaping, I have yet to go to an establishment where I was told I couldn't vape. If and/when that happens I simply will no longer be a customer of said place.

I order most of my pre-filled carts from Primevapor and with every order they give you about 5 or 6 cards that read:

(EDIT: Here's an actual screen-shot of the Card. Click on image for larger view)
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"The person presenting this card is NOT SMOKING. The device being used is a personal vaporizer or e-Cigarette.
This device contains no tobacco.

What you see IS NOT SMOKE. It is a vapor that is made up of flavoring, nicotine, and water vapor. This vapor is not harmful or an irritant. THESE DEVICES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO LOCAL, STATE, OR FEDERAL SMOKING REGULATIONS.

Please allow your patron to use this e-cigarette in your establishment.

Thank you. The Primevapor.com Team"

Not only is that a good promotional tool for Primevapor, but it has saved me from having to go into a speech about what I'm doing, and has shut some people up real quick.. lol
 
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...however, would some of you address what you think of nicotine as harmful, or to what level of harm, or if you feel it is totally safe, etc.
Thanks everyone.

Nicotine is poison. Extremely deadly one too. Just like many other things we consume every day, and just like many other things, if you keep your daily dosage of poison in limits your body can safely handle, you'll be healthy as a horse.
Thats what I *think*. And it doesn't matter one bit. You should read a medical study about effects of nicotine if you're really interested in the subject. What couple of random internet guys *think* is largely irrelevant.
 

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My doctor doesn't have a problem with the nicotine. My wife's pulmonologist (She's recovering from pneumonia.) likes it. I had to go to an ENT and there I'm a former smoker and they don't have a problem. So far, none of the biased studies that are used as a reason to ban PVs focus on the nicotine. Every study that I've seen that focuses on nicotine alone says that it's not any more harmful than caffiene at the dosage you get from PVs. None of that guarantees that PVs are 100% safe. There are other ingredients. I does say that nicotine is probably not the problem.

I DIY and I buy 100mg nic. I am careful handling that strength.
 
I have to agree that nicotine is pretty much comparable to caffeine and that vaping has to be one of the best ways I have found to get my nicotine. I get crabby without my coffee in the morning just as much as I used to get crabby when I was smoking real (analog) cigarettes. Now that I have switched to vaping, I still have my coffee and my nicotine, just without all the heaviness in my lungs and constant morning cough. I am so happy to have found something that isn't going to destroy my health like analog cigarettes, and still keep me semi-sane and pleasant to be around. I have tried nicotine patches (they made me sick and wherever I put them, literally hurt and caused me massive muscle aches), I have tried nicotine gum (made my jaws/gums ache and upset my stomach), and have tried Chantix (made me have psychotic dreams/nightmares and dizziness), all in the hopes of quitting analog cigarettes. Once I found e-cigarettes, I stopped analogs within a month of vaping. I feel better now that I switched to vaping, and more in control of how much nicotine is being allowed into my body-as I couldn't' regulate the gum or patch amounts (if I went down to lower milligrams, I would get cranky, higher I would get sick). If nicotine was so harmful (and I know it is a poison, but so are a number of other things we eat and drink), why do doctor's recommend the patch and nicotine gum to quit when they know it is a poison? It is because it is the lesser evil to smoking analog cigarettes and nicotine itself is much less harmful than breathing in chemical laden smoke. High doses of nicotine can cause detrimental effects to the body, but so do large amounts of caffeine and even something as simple as sugar can cause illness if eaten in large amounts. I think people should realize that nicotine, although addictive, isn't so evil if consumed in moderation. I find that I vape less now than I used to actually smoke cigarettes (1 pack a day, sometimes more), since that urge for nicotine is satiated more readily, and I feel healthier.
Sorry I went on for so long. I really feel that nicotine is not much more harmful than a lot of stuff that is packaged for consumption (caffeine, candy, processed foods), and that each individual should be able to feel how much nicotine is too much for them, without overdosing on the stuff, just like most of us will stop drinking coffee when we get the jitters or stop eating sugar before we get a tummy ache.
 

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I don't have time to develop this more, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things. This comes from a brief personal literature review I made before picking up vaping and is not intended as an "authoritative" comment.

First, believe it or not, we do not know what are the risks of long term use of nicotine alone. Not entirely. Most of the large studies done focused on smoking and, to a lesser degree, on other forms of tobacco consumption. As far as I know, there is no large prospective study of any sort looking at nicotine alone.

Briefly, there is no "real world" data showing any clinical effects of long term use of nicotine alone.

There is some encouraging data from the Swedish Snus cohorts. In a Swedish cohort study of construction workers carried out during the 1970s it was found that Snus users had an increased risk of dying from cardiovascular disease, although the risk was lower than in cigarette smokers. Interestingly, there is data showing that snuff users and smokers share an increased prevalence of other independent risk factors for vascular disease (Increased levels of alcohol and coffee consumption and a decreased level of physical exercise) which may explain the higher (but not statistically significant) incidence of cardiovascular disease in snus users.

But snus is still tobacco, and one should expect it to be more hazardous than nicotine alone, still. So the above findings about snus, probably extend to nicotine. The only other possibility is extremely unlikely - that smokeless tobacco would contain something never before seen that has a protective effect against the nicotine ill effects.

Interestingly, European healthcare authorities used this data to support clinical safety of nicotine replacement therapies such as patch and spray, while in the EU Snus continues to be banned. Yes, the thing that was proven to be safer than cigarettes and that helped Sweden reach one of the lowest smoking prevalence in the world is banned. Just to show that ethics and logic are no factors in policy making.

The second point is that today, in a variety of popular science sources, as well as in some implied statements by public health authorities, "emerging data" that proves nicotine alone is responsible for some of the ill effects of smoking is often quoted.

To date, as far as I am aware, all such data is from small experimental studies, either on humans or animals, and proves acute, short-term effects of nicotine on blood pressure, vascular reactivity and glucose metabolism. (True, there is evidence from the Snus cohorts that nicotine, or at least smokeless tobacco, does have might have an ill effect on glucose metabolism / diabetes).

The absolute most such results could mean is that it is worth testing the hypothesis that nicotine alone has some of these effects by means of larger studies. However, the media and, most unfortunately, public health authorities worldwide, have represented these findings as "proof" that nicotine is "a major contributor" to smoking's ill effects. At this point, such representation is incorrect.

Let me give you one example. A 2002 paper by Neunteufl et al. was widely reported in the media and is still the basis for conclusions on dozens of health and wellness websites (and even quoted in the anti-nicotine policy at my workplace). This study was reported in the media, through an interview with the authors as follows:

"The findings of this study demonstrate that nicotine causes endothelial dysfunction in long-term smokers "

The way this is phrased led to the interpretation that the cardiovascular risk of long term smokers is caused by nicotine.

However, what it really says is that Neunteufl and his colleagues ran a study on a handful of long-term smoker volunteers and shown that with acute exposure to intranasal nicotine spray, in these subjects, there was a small, but statistically significant change in vascular reactivity. It didn't look at long term effects, but the study subjects were long-term smokers. In fact, that makes it more difficult to interpret because vascular reactivity in long term, current smokers is impaired to begin with due to... smoking. So their reaction to nicotine, or any other vasoconstrictor, may be exaggerate compared to a nicotine-alone user. Even funnier, in the actual scientific paper, the conclusion is "We conclude that nicotine replacement therapy by nasal spray is less harmful for the endothelium than cigarette smoking".

I'm just pointing this out as an example on how data can be given an entirely new and false meaning when it is reported to the public.
 

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nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and increases the heart rate. However, other than that nicotine has been proven to have a lot of beneficial qualities. For example, it increases dopamine. Dopamine is a feel-good chemical naturally produced by the brain and can be beneficial to people with anxiety disorders and depression.

So, is nicotine harmful? In many ways you can make argument that it is. However, in many ways you can make the argument that it is not. In my opinion it is no worse than caffeine.

There is also a study where nicotine was inhaled by lab rats for over 18 hours a day five days a week for two years. The results showed no damage to lungs. And the only measurable result was a loss in weight. http://www.pfizer.com/files/products/uspi_nicotrol_inhaler.pdf
 

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I organized a Presentation a couple of months ago to over 40 Healthcare Professionals- doctors, surgeons, dentists, naturopaths/ Alternative Medical Practitioners and all, except 2, LOVED the Ecig. I was lucky enough to have a large number of Kgos on hand and 35 of the group vaped no nic juice. All of them saw the immediate benefits and a few who were ex smokers really "got it"- I was very leery of the ex-smokers trying out vaping and expressed my concerns and warnings.They had no problem with the issue of nicotine in the juice as opposed to smoking analogs. The one question they had was the ability of vapers to eventually walk away from the act of vaping. I told them that was my plan by Fall and also mentioned that among my group of 30 friends that were vaping the large majority of them had a program and end date in mind.
At the end of the Presentation 38 stated they would strongly recommend and support their clients in regards to vaping but also would want to "follow up" and assist them in eventually ceasing the act of vaping as there will no real true studies on the long term effects of vaping.
P.S. some of them took a real "liking" to some of the flavors :D

Great subject by the OP.
 
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